#7: NINE INCH NAILS

Thursday, March 18th, 2010 at 5:00pm by

There are a handful of bands that I can say changed my fucking life. Nine Inch Nails are one such band. As a prematurely jaded adolescent, I’d been introduced to the violent industrial metal of the Broken EP and was intrigued. I bought the CD-single for “March Of The Pigs” the week it came out, and played it on repeat on my all-in-one stereo as well as in my Discman. The Downward Spiral hit stores the following month, and I eagerly snatched it up. Then fascinated with serial killers and true crime legends like Charles Manson, reports that the album was recorded in Sharon Tate’s house immediately grabbed me. But the music was more than mere gimmickry. I heard sounds I’d never encountered before, abrasive metal that didn’t come across as chauvinistic or boneheaded. Poring over Trent Reznor’s lyrics with the type of passionate attention only a teenager can, I connected with his rage, depression, and lust. Moreso than any other band before, I felt that I had found in Nine Inch Nails a band that I could get behind in a big way. Little did I know that their imminent success would spawn some of the most pathetic imitators, wannabes, and clowns ever to “grace” hard rock and metal with their presence.

Nine Inch Nails was not the first band to make industrial metal. Indeed, industrial musicians had been playing with rock and metal elements throughout the 1980s. Records from acts like KMFDM and Godflesh are prime examples of the sound, though Ministry’s 1988 LP The Land Of Rape And Honey is considered by many to be a landmark album for this type of music. (Nine Inch Nails’ Pretty Hate Machine, released the following year, was really a dark synthpop record, influenced more by Adam Ant than Dave Mustaine.) But 1994′s The Downward Spiral took industrial out of the clubs and bedrooms and into the arenas. The first time I saw the band, post-TDM, they were playing a sold out Madison Square Garden with a little-known band from Florida known as Marilyn Manson.

Of course, with such extraordinary exposure on a national and international scale, record labels and the music industry establishment were eager to find the next Nine Inch Nails. Some of the initial offerings had moments of greatness, at least in single form (Filter’s Short Bus springs to mind). But it wasn’t long before every talentless metal band was adding a keyboardist to their lineup and trying to figure out how to work a drum machine. Do I even need to list the despicable cash-ins and hardly one-hit wonders that followed? Okay, here goes: Orgy, Gravity Kills, Rammstein, Static-X, The Union Underground, Dope, Godhead, American Head Charge. (The 2000s haven’t exactly helped either, with bands like Black Light Burns and Julien-K.) True, we can also blame Manson’s electroshock rock for some of these sonic abortions, but Nine Inch Nails begat Manson, who begat Orgy, who begat Death By FUCKING Sunrise. A sound that was once vibrant and edgy became carbon-copy and ripe for mockery. Industrial became the disco of the 1990s, generic and laughable.

To make matters worse, metal pioneers like Geezer Butler and Rob Halford opportunistically attempted to stay hip with “industrial” albums of their own. (Halford’s 2wo project, released through Reznor’s own imprint, was particularly poorly-received.) This bandwagon-jumping was transparent, as it was with legends who recorded “nu metal” albums in the 90s and beyond.

It wasn’t all bad, though. Then-formidable indie TVT Records had saved Chicago’s pioneering Wax Trax! Records from bankruptcy in the early 90s, a case of perfect timing that brought great industrial rock bands like Sister Machine Gun and the aforementioned KMFDM into chain record stores across America. Front Line Assembly, a former Wax Trax! act, signed on to Roadrunner for 1994′s industrial metal masterpiece Millennium. The underground still managed to produce incredible music from groups such as the astoundingly underrated Cubanate. Oh yeah, and Fear Factory had that one good album — produced by Rhys Fulber of Front Line Assembly, I might add.

-GS

THE LIST SO FAR:

#8: Van Halen
#9: Rage Against the Machine
#10: Cannibal Corpse

  • Ben

    Rammstein is a cash in/one hit wonder? Really? Your personal enjoyment of their music aside, that’s not even close to accurate.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Threadgate/1049955838 Simon Threadgate

      + 1

    • Bicro

      +fucking 20.

      Some people and their opinions…geez.

      • BetterThanEzra

        -2000 Rammstein fucking blow goats, dogs, cows, cats, and alter boys. Fuck you.

        • Bicro

          Man, you are TOO angry. Chill out some.

          • KilledByDeath

            Rammstein are repetitive and uninnovative.

    • Vakarm

      i agree: Rammstein are definitaly NOT one-hit wonders. They have many really solid albums

    • evilfatguy

      Dude, this is Suarez. He deals pretty much exclusively in misinformation and poor taste. I only barely read the article for continuity.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Pantozzi/1255231400 Chris Pantozzi

      I think the writer’s work was very well written. While I disagree with Rammstein as a one hit wonder, every other band and everything else written is pretty spot on.

      Stop getting so damn butthurt over people’s opinions. Goddam.

      • Isaac

        Rammstein not being a cash-in isn’t an opinion. I don’t care what Gary thinks of Rammstein, but he should be better informed than that.

    • http://salsicha.wordpress.com Gabriel [Pylsa]

      Agreed !

    • krunkulor5000

      yes, that is quite accurate

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Giurco/565639913 Mike Giurco

    this whole countdown is retarted. It’s not NIN’s fault people try to copy them and fail!

    • TonyT

      No one is saying it is. And it’s “retarded” not “retarted” you retart.

      • vagina

        no no, i believe he was referred to the process of re-making a tart. After a tart is eaten, you poop it back into a pastry tart shell. Thus, it has been retarted. That is what you meant, right Mike?

        Good. I’m hungry.

        • http://lordsofmetal.nl/index.php?lang=en Kavorka

          Heheheh! Win!

    • Dlabs

      thats why its bands that INADVERTENTLY helped ruin metal…..

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Giurco/565639913 Mike Giurco

      i realized after i posted it that i spelled it wrong, but i figured who would really care enough to correct it/point it out.. apparently i was wrong.

      the countdown is still pointless because all the bands on the countdown have influenced countless really good bands as well as bad ones.

      • TonyT

        normally I could care less about pointing out minor grammatical errors but there is an obvious irony in calling something “retarted”. But it’s no big deal man, I was just fucking with you.

    • Dwarfskeet

      He’s a “ratard.”

  • rupert

    the point of the countdown is not to put down the bands on the list because it is stated that they are great bands. the fact is without them many cheap imitators would not exist

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Giurco/565639913 Mike Giurco

      i suppose

  • Lordassenfroth

    GARY SUAREZ IS AN IDIOT, HE SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THIS, – NO – EVERY, WEBSITE EVER.

    • teaches_of_peaches

      ok

      • NoNameNoSlogan

        I’m with you man…..NIN is hardly industrial “metal”. The riffs on BROKEN are more punk than metal and the same goes for LAND OF RAPE AND HONEY!!!
        The riffs on the first three tracks are all punk influenced (look it up Gary). It wasn’t until Psalm 69 that Ministry started showing metal influences. Ministry are industrial ROCK pioneers first/ Industrial METAL pioneers second.

        GARY your posts on industrial are a JOKE!

    • The Overmatt

      That’s nice.

    • http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/ Alkahest

      You should be banned from your capslock key.

      • Vakarm

        why does caps lock even exist?

        • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

          SO I CAN MAKE VERY LOUUUUDDD NOISSES!!!!!!!!!!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

          SO THAT EVERYONE CAN UNLEASH THE FUCKING FURY WHENEVER THEY WANT, WITHOUT HAVING TO HOLD “SHIFT”!!!!!

  • Sean

    Great write up that I mostly agree with, the only exception for me would be listing Rammstein as a cash-in cause it’s obviously not a one hit wonder. While they aren’t exactly expanding any style borders they aren’t conforming to any typical commercial appeal.

    • teaches_of_peaches

      I disagree about the commercial appeal. Maybe they’re not doing it consciously, but almost every single of theirs is as mainstream as you can get. Sure they have their own sound, but the music they play is for the masses. In some countries they’re more popular than Madonna or U2 or whatever else.

      • Sean

        While they have done well in the mainstream, I don’t think it was expected or even intended. Sticking with German for vocals, the imagery they use and even song content isn’t typical of what the mainstream typically likes. But that is just my opinion, even with their commercial appeal these days they are miles ahead of the other stuff that came out like Orgy and Static-X.

  • http://schenkeltown.blogspot.com SchenkelTown

    Orgy were a good band. Candyass is a great album.

    • teaches_of_peaches

      sure, if you like gay sex.

      • Alex_P

        I think there’s a lot of gay dudes who would be offended by your comment. Like Gaahl.

    • Douchebag

      I agree. Let us have gay male sex.

      • Anthony

        As opposed to straight male sex?

        • TonyT

          It’s only gay if you kiss them on the mouth.

          • Amaj9

            Only gay if the balls touch.

          • http://www.omimetal.wordpress.com The Greys

            This is the funniest string of comments ever. Bravo to all.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Dasher/30826541 Matt Dasher

            It’s not gay if I’m killing you :P

    • http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/ Alkahest

      Their cover of Blue Monday was pretty good.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Shaw-Thomas/522440411 Matthew Shaw-Thomas

        Erm, No! Their cover of Blue Monday was a piss poor by the numbers interpretation. They brought next to nothing new, inventive or worthwhile to the song, and that same song was the backbone for their sales. As much as we like to believe that as alt. music listeners we’re immune to the inanities of the pop world we aren’t. Blue Monday was released as the second single and that’s when their popularity rose, not because they were a good band but because people heard a New Order cover and thought ‘how nifty’ or some such shit. Just stick with the original version as it’s superior in every way and burn/bury any Orgy albums you find!!

    • Åärøn

      Orgy was an amazing band. I love all three of their albums. Rammstein are also amazing. So is Skinny Puppy and Front Line Assembly. KMFDM only good album is Symbols. nuff said.

  • musicalsnob

    have the downward spiral in 5.1 surround.

    its amazing…

  • http://www.myspace.com/msrp Nic Heidt

    I don’t know, I would have blamed White Zombie’s Asto Creep 2000 for a lot of the same stuff. But this list rocks!

    • Genial Gentile

      I blame Rob Zombie in general for the dumbing-down of art, whether it’s music or cinema.

      • Bicro

        Sadly, I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.

        Read his interview on the Deciblog as of late. He’s a fraud.

      • killer kovarik

        I enjoy White Zombie

      • SourDeez

        Rob Zombie is pure fun. Don’t hate on fun.

        • http://myspace.com/msrp Nic Heidt

          Oh, I fully agree the stuff up to and including the first Hellbilly Deluxe was good. But I think one of the huge turning points in popular metal was AstroCreep, along with Korn’s self titled. But that leads to different points than are being made about NIN. And, yes, I actually like Korn. So flame me now and get it over with =)

    • J-Ho

      I agree, I would blame most of those bands on White Zombie. And maybe it’s because I grew up in the Twin Cities, but I actually think American Head Charge were one of the better industrial metal acts out there. But, like I said: Twin Cities. Impaler and AHC were really the only game in town (as far as metal goes) when I was growing up there.

      I also like Static-X’s first album; it’s tongue in cheek and fun. And I think we can all agree Rammstein is pretty kickass to see live.

      • http://www.last.fm/user/Jugglemonkey Jugglemonkey

        Exactly. I’ve never understood the hate for AHC on here, I mean yeah they’re no NIN, but I never got the impression they were trying to be either. The War of Art was a good album, although a bit bloated.

        Early Rammstein and KMFDM for me are pretty similar in that neither require you to think that hard about what they’re doing, they’re a good break from more intellectually stimulating music like NIN or Skinny Puppy and co.

        The Land of Rape and Honey and Animositisomina were the albums that got me into heavier music, absolute classics.

  • yetzer hara

    Gary, I wholeheartedly agree with you on this one. I scooped up “Broken” and “TDS” in a similar fashion and feel the same way as you do. I still listen to NIN on a regular basis, but for fuck’s sake, did their spin on industrial/goth/noise/metal sew the seeds for tons of garbage.Reznor’s own Nothing imprint also gave wide exposure to the laughably terrible Pop Will Eat Itself.Furthermore, NIN’s skyrocket to sold out Madison Square Gardens and nationwide arena tours was due, in part, to Woodstock 94. Getting into a mud-fight with his band before they played was the most profitable accident of Reznor’s life.

    A point of contention–I’ll take “Implode” by Front Line Assembly over “Millennium” any day.

  • Ares

    I never liked this band at all, but they were actually OK compared to all that other industrial influenced metal crap like Strapping Young Lad and all that other crap that fallowed.

    • Genial Gentile

      I looove the fact that you slammed SYL around all the Devin fanboys that frequent this site…you got balls, son!

      • Gaia

        Yeah, that wasn’t so cool.

        • Ares

          What?! Laughably stupid lyrics? Screech your head off vocals? Toneless buzzy guitars? All that annoying elektro crap? I just don’t know why people on this site cream themselves over Devin Townsend or SYL, I just don’t see anything in their music.

    • killer kovarik

      SYL are good, their first album wasn’t so good had some good songs, City was good, SYL meh, Alien YES, the new black chaoticly awesome

      • Bicro

        City was chaos incarnate. They never topped it.

        • KilledByDeath

          Would have to agree on this one.

      • Rachel

        Alien is my fave album from SYL too. I have observed that Devin Townsend is held in very very high regards here. I am a fan-girl of his, and I’m not offended, because you point out a good double standard.

        • Amaj9

          Devin is GAWD…Fanboy here.

          • narcopolypse

            devin played on that front line assembly album, right?

          • Deaner

            He sure did.

        • killer kovarik

          Alien was an amazing album, I really wanna get ahold of City but it’s too hard to find hahah

  • Genial Gentile

    I really can’t disagree with you here, although I can’t help but thinking that Ministry would have been a better choice. And yes, Rammstein IS a bad, bad knock-off band that garnered momentary popularity as a result of one song and ham-fisted schtick.

    • los

      Ministry came earlier and may or may not have been “better”, but they never achieved the mainstream success that is required to inspire countless knock-offs.

      Which seems to really be what this countdown is about. Not pioneers, necessarily, but rather the great bands that “crossed over” (to varying degrees), which then inspired a half-decade of watered-down versions of the same tired shit.

      • Genial Gentile

        That’s a good point. I’m just being a crybaby because I was WAY more into Ministry growing up than NIN:)

      • deanerhead

        Yeah, but Cannibal Corpse certainly wasn’t/isn’t mainstream nor anywhere near as popular as Ministry at their commercial peak, and yet they’re on this list.

        In this particular case, I’d say Ministry begot NIN, and then Trent in turn spawned most of the wannabe industrial types.

        • giarc

          When has death metal, in general, ever been “mainstream”?

          • deanerhead

            Never…where did I say it was? I was refuting the point that “mainstream success” is required to inspire knockoffs. The other bands thus far on the list may fit that mold but not Cannibal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sanskar-Wagley/1376400331 Sanskar Wagley

    Hey, I like Orgy!

    • yetzer hara

      i’m sure that’s not the least of your faults.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Livingston/25310975 Robert Livingston

      Candyass Orgy was awesome. Vapor Transmission Orgy was so-so. I heard the 3rd record was garbage so I didn’t even give it the time of day.

    • http://myspace.com/msrp Nic Heidt

      I’m with you on that one.

  • uLy

    the only industrial band still putting out good music is the godfathers of it: Skinny Puppy. Everyone else has pretty much crapped away. I haven’t heard a decent Front Line Assembly album in years, and KMFDM still puts out the same crap they did in the 80′s with absolutely no variation. Boring.

    I recommend checking out Skinny Puppy and their side projects (Download, Ohgr) for anyone still interested in this genre.

    • NoNameNoSlogan

      I agree….when the fuck is “In Solvent See” coming out??

      Although I till like what nin, ministry and FLA have put out recently. Not as good as their old stuff but I still dig it. KMFDM on the other hand….I don’t even remember the last time they put out a really good album.

    • yetzer hara

      did anyone ever check out the chris peterson (FLA) side/alternate project called decree?

    • http://www.last.fm/user/Jugglemonkey Jugglemonkey

      THANK YOU!

      Buy this man/woman a drink.

  • politude

    I’m gonna get mocked, but without listening to Static-X and Dope when I was 12, I would not have started listening to real metal.

    • Adam

      Yeah… if it weren’t for nu-metal (which I still occasionally indulge in), I wouldn’t have graduated to stuff like Opeth, Nevermore, The Ocean and Meshuggah.

    • The Overmatt

      I honestly still like Static-X. I mean, I’m not gonna try to call them revolutionary or amazing or anything, but sometimes I like hearing industrial with some guitar chugging and Wayne’s voice.

    • Anthony

      Wisconsin Death Trip and Machine are decent albums. Everything since then kind of stinks. Especially Cult of Static.

    • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

      Have you seen anybody for that yet?

  • Stolas Trephinator

    A band to check out from the NIN-influenced industrial metal era is N17. They were kind of derivative, but did a really cool sample-heavy KMFDM kind of sound.

  • LilalCFH

    I don’t know man, this didn’t really have a massive changing effect on METAL…

    Kind of a weak entry, imo. So many more great bands that actually had a hand in directly hurting the music we love.

    Love The Fragile though. That’s right, The Fragile, best shit NIN ever did. So suck it.

    • yetzer hara

      the fragile is amazing. i got it the first day it came out… wasn’t quite sure what to think, but it’s definitely stood the test of time. i can still listen to both discs from beginning to end.

  • Watt Par

    LOVE the list so far. One of my favorite articles in a long time.

    Must say though, I do love me some Static-X

  • Dr schwine-hoot

    Fear Factory? Really, one good record. Just like ppl are saying w/ the Rammstein comment. Your personal opinion of the band aside… SOANM, Demanufacture, Obsolete, and their new album, Mechanize are pretty badass. Which Mr. Fulber also came back and played keyboards on…

  • bearbomb

    American Head Charge is awesome. We’ve been over this.

  • Dave B

    Anyone else hate these obtrusive banner ads that expand on the main page?

    What the fuck is going on with that bullshit?

    • Ben

      Firefox. Learn to use that shit.

      • Dave B

        I don’t mind the normal banner ads as they are necessary to generate income. It’s these new expandable ads that don’t collapse that piss me off.

        PS. I have ad-block and no-flash add-ons.

  • Harold

    Fuck all those Bands, Ministry and KMFDM are the ONLY Industrial metal bands worth listening too. Because these bands had METAL in them. NIN is for goth girls.

    • Dirtman73

      Ministry? Yeah, I agree with you. KMFDM? Not quite. All their fucking songs sound like the same metal riff over and over again. Boring shite.

  • musicalsnob

    FUCK ALL YALLS!!!!!!!!

    GODFLESH ARE THE TRUE OGs of INDUSTRIAL!

  • Kàn I)))

    Gravity Kills? Rammstein? Really?

  • lolwut

    ehhhh MM and NIN go hand in hand early on, but manson was more rock/metal than trent will ever be. the fragile is the only NIN album i can listen to start to end. Meanwhile Manson hasn’t put out a solid cd since holy wood, and the only tours of his really worth seeing were dead to the world (at 7 that shit was amazing)
    mechanical animals tour and the guns god and government tour i cant listen to his new cd w/o thinking about tgaog’s last song the death of art, well his art died after that.

  • Mordecai 9000

    As much as I love the idea of this list, all of the bands so far have been put on this list for spawning imitations- Cannibal Corpse for deathcore, RATM for shitty rap metal, Van Halen for hair metal, and now NIN for uninspired industrial metal? I really think that Suarez needs to have better ideas.

    • SourDeez

      That’s the whole point of this list. Obviously no one literally “ruined metal”, or we wouldn’t be checking out this website. It’s a list of great bands that have spawned whole movements of countless terrible imitators. I would debate NIN being “great”, but that’s irrelevant.

      • Mordecai 9000

        Well, of course I know that. I mean that there are other reasons that bands “ruined metal” besides spawning imitators. Annoying fanbases, promoting the stereotypes associated with metal, etc.

        Nevertheless, I have enjoyed this list so far.

      • Mordecai 9000

        Well, of course I know that. I mean that there are other reasons that bands “ruined metal” besides spawning imitators. Annoying fanbases, promoting the stereotypes associated with metal, etc.

        Nevertheless, I have enjoyed this list so far.

        • SourDeez

          If it turns out they’re not looking at this on a purely musical basis, but also considering annoying fanbases and promoting stereotypes, then Slayer absolutely HAS to be number one. They’re guilty of three strikes here. Of course, once again, I would debate Slayer’s greatness.

    • msv81

      Not trying to start shit with you here, but I need to bring up two points.

      1. This list is entitled “Ten Great Bands That Inadvertently Helped Ruin Metal”; how else might the MS staff go about compiling such a list? It’s simple; you start out with a band who brings something relatively new to the table, a band who spawns or is the most influential factor within a specific sub-genre of metal, and then go on to point out how their fame/success/existence ultimately led to endless shitty carbon copies trying to cash in on what’s hot at the moment. If you think there’s a better way to make a list like this, please bring it to the table.

      2. Suarez isn’t solely responsible for this list, it’s the entire MS staff….go back and look at who wrote up the other three. So if you’re blaming someone, blame all of MS, not just Gary.

  • Sin and Death

    [golf clap]

  • msv81

    Good list so far. I expect to see the likes of Pantera, Tool, and perhaps Iron Maiden still to come.

    • SourDeez

      Pantera spawned a million dumbass tough-guy bands, and Iron Maiden is definitely responsible for shit like Dragonforce, but I really don’t see where Tool fits in. I don’t know a single band that sounds anything like Tool, or even shows a clear Tool influence.

      • msv81

        Post White Pony Deftones are definitely influenced by Tool, even if they don’t sound alike (Maynard was even on WP and “Passenger” is still one of the best, if not THE best, Deftones songs ever recorded); then you can look at bands like Pulse Ultra (slightly nu-metal but clearly influenced by Tool), Chevelle (specifically their earlier work), to a certain extent Staind (they covered “Sober” and despite them being a pretty shitty band, their singer came pretty damn close to Maynard, at least as close as you can get to his totally unique vocals). Add to this list early Mudvayne because even though they were a product of nu-metal and came out slightly after Slipknot, if you listen to LD50 there is a very strong Tool influence there in the vocals and the song formulas. Off hand, other Tool-influenced bands: Memento, The Mayan Factor, early Incubus, Flaw, Earshot, Dredg, Ultraspank, (sic)monic.

        You’re right, none of the aforementioned bands sounds like Tool, no way they could (if you couldn’t tell thus far, I am an enormous Tool fanboy, they’re my all-time favorite band), but you can clearly hear the Tool influence on all of them. For those reasons and others, Tool can be held accountable for spawning the nu-metal bands who focused more on the melodic aspect while getting rid of the rap/rock aspect. I dunno, just a thought. If they don’t show up on this list, I won’t be entirely shocked, though given who’s ended up on it thus far, I would expect them to be one of the next few bands.

        • SourDeez

          Oh god, Chevelle, yeah that guy sounded like Maynard with no testicles. LD50 definitely has a Tool vibe going on sometimes, but I think that was a great album so I wouldn’t put in in the “ruined” category. I also really like early Incubus, but the rest of those bands you listed are all terrible, so maybe they could be considered for this list. I think all of the artists on this list will be artists who spawned whole terrible MOVEMENTS in music though. So for crappy nu-metal, it would obviously be Korn. Their greatness is debatable, but those first few albums were at least fresh and innovative at the time. As an aside, Passenger is definitely a kickass song.

      • teaches_of_peaches

        Tool spawned terrible tool fans.

        • Kuranes

          Right, and even if they never spawned any clones they are so overplayed on all ClearChannel radio stations that they could ruin metal just by oversaturing the market with themselves.

          • SourDeez

            I haven’t listened to the radio in years, and our mainstream rock station in NY doesn’t exist anymore, but I did listen to it when I was younger and I was always happy to hear Tool every day in the middle of all the Linkin Parks and Evanescences and Puddle of Mudds that they always played at the time.

  • SourDeez

    I can’t stand Nine Inch Nails, never have, never will. Just not my thing. They’re way too teen-angsty for me. Even when I was a teenager, I thought they were lame. The best thing to ever come out of NIN was Chris Vrenna’s soundtrack to that game Alice.

  • Fish

    Was NIN ever a great band?

  • xd00noodle

    If you HONESTLY think NIN’s effect on metal was worse than Van Halen’s, get your head checked.

    • teaches_of_peaches

      I actually agree with you. I mean, sure they inspired more than a few shitty bands, but not THAT many. If they’re going to blame, you might as well share the blame with the likes of the aforementioned KMFDM, Ministry, and even Depeche Mode as well as a few electronic acts that gained success in the 90s.

  • teaches_of_peaches

    I predict At The Gates and Agnostic Front to be some of the bands on the list.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Sterner/1335958279 Andrew Sterner

      At the gates should be showing up really soon.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Sterner/1335958279 Andrew Sterner

      At the gates should be showing up really soon.

    • killer kovarik

      This is supposed to be a list of “great” bands that ruined metal….therefore At The Gates won’t be on the list

  • kickoutthejamsman

    hey, i thought you said this was a list of GREAT metal bands that inadvertently helped ruined metal.

    • thedynasty

      THIS

  • jefff

    I think Tool helped metal, but bands like Korn are sorta good, the only problem I have with nu-metal, is that all the songs sound like rough drafts, no solos no fills, nothing. sounded like they just didn’t finish writing the songs. and the worst part of it is that people bought into it. very sad.

    • BEENYAD

      I completely agree. I always thought that numetal had that unfinished sound. You win one internet

    • Dirtman73

      You’re spot on for the most part. But there were a few nu-metal acts that brought a little bit of originality to the table, like Nothingface and Bender. Actually, those are the only two I can think of right now. Listen to Skeletons (an amazing album, IMO the only Nothingface disc worth a shit).

      I suppose Bender is closer to post-grunge than nu-metal, but whatever; still good music.

      • SourDeez

        I recently dusted off my old copy of Skeletons. Although the lyrics can definitely get a little nu-metal-ish, the album as a whole is fucking sick. They actually gave each song a different vibe, used different tempos, and Matt Holt’s singing was awesome.

      • msv81

        Skeletons is their only album worth a shit??

        Uh, you need to go back and listen to “An Audio Guide To Everyday Atrocity” and “Violence”. Dude, both of those records blow “Skeletons” away, though I do agree it’s a good record. Hell, even “Pacifier” is fucking awesome. NF, nu-metal or not, is one of the best bands to come out of the 90s. Too bad their imminent return was fucked up by Matt Holt’s lack of interest (or so they say).

        For those who don’t know, they’ve been putting up a bunch of old demos at nothingfacearmy.com; a few brand new tracks are up, too. The last taste of Nothingface we’ll probably ever get. What a shame.

        • Dirtman73

          I always hear from Nothingface fans that the previous albums are superior to Skeletons, but I don’t get that. Everything before the last album was by-the-numbers nu-metal. They totally stripped their sound down for Skeletons and the result was a lot less filler, and a lot more metal. Apparently I’m the only Nothingface fan who thinks this way.

          Regardless, I still listen to Skeletons on a regular basis. I’ll even throw in Violence once in a while, but Skeletons is the shiznit.

        • Dirtman73

          I always hear from Nothingface fans that the previous albums are superior to Skeletons, but I don’t get that. Everything before the last album was by-the-numbers nu-metal. They totally stripped their sound down for Skeletons and the result was a lot less filler, and a lot more metal. Apparently I’m the only Nothingface fan who thinks this way.

          Regardless, I still listen to Skeletons on a regular basis. I’ll even throw in Violence once in a while, but Skeletons is the shiznit. And fuck Hellyeah, that shit was unbearable.

      • yetzer hara

        i saw nothingface open for pantera, soulfly, and morbid angel about ten years ago and they were awful. just plain fucking awful. they don’t deserve any credibility whatsoever.

  • Mordecai 9000

    I wouldn’t be at all suprised if Mayhem, Gorgoroth, or Burzum showed up here.

    • Mordecai 9000

      Well, maybe not Mayhem. But Burzum and Gorgoroth for sure.

      • Gallo666

        Gorgoroth? For real? Why?

      • yetzer hara

        i think mayhem would be on the list way before burzum. in that same sense though, wouldn’t you also have to include black sabbath?

        • Mordecai 9000

          Sabbath never killed anyone or burned churches. :P

          Although, I can see how Sabbath would be on this list, because as the “first” metal band, they set the standard for all others, and therefore were the first to create the stereotypes.

          • yetzer hara

            you say that sabbath never burned any churches down like burning churches is a bad thing… if anything, burning churches and murder makes metal way more… metal.

    • killer kovarik

      Burzum should be on the list for sure

  • narcopolypse

    hey don’t forget that those first couple pitchshifter records were neat.

    oh oh and the first Skrew rules. that’s the band from which reznor poached the great danny lohner.

  • KilledByDeath

    Hm. I expect Suicidal Tendencies somewhat soon…

  • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

    Im completely on the fence about NIN. They honestly never did anything for me. I dig Trent’s integrity with NIN, but the music? Never got into it.

    The only true effect I remember seeing was it helped spawn the angst ridden “I hate life but I really dont know why” generation.

    That and they did the soundtrack to MOTHERFUCKING QUAKE!

    QUAKE >> FTW

  • Darumian

    Rammstein rule! And they weren’t inspired by NIN, but by a Yugoslavian/Slovenian industrial act called Laibach!!!

    • http://www.last.fm/user/Jugglemonkey Jugglemonkey

      One Vision :D

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Luckett/1384577212 Jeremy Luckett

      I totally agree. I always thought Rammstein had/have a big Laibach influence.

  • Ratkaill

    American Head Charge.. do not belong on that list..

    • yetzer hara

      another awful nu-metal band that doesn’t deserve any credibility at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

    I really don’t know what universe you’re from but Rammstein are pretty much the biggest rock act in Europe. Their tickets are insanely expensive and their live show pulls teeth. Doesn’t hurt that their music rock balls and punches cocks.

  • OldandTired

    Good write-up.

    However, you forgot Stabbing Westward in your list of pathetic imitators.

    Complete fucking shite.

  • large jockstrap

    so basically, you’re listing the most influential bands of all time…

  • Watt Par

    I’m anticipating Pantera for shitty tough guy and for the fact that infinity awesome thrash bands sucked afterwards, Helloween for shitty power metal, Suffocation-who I would put as number one-for spawning br00tal death metal, Emperor for the likes of Cradle of Filth and Demon Burger, possibly Converge for helping get a hundred shitty metalcore bands started (though I wouldn’t call Converge metal), At the Gates for shitty Gothenburg influenced metalcore, maybe Agoraphobic Nosebleed for all of the shitty one man gore/porno grind bands, MAYBE something like Burzum or Darkthrone for the “raw” bedroom Black Metal.

  • Trux

    Suarez didi it again…….oh boy , this dude is getting on my nerves with all that shitty posts he makes…

    I have never done that in this site or any other site, but I think this is truly deserved: SEÑOR SUAREZ VAYA USTED A CHINGAR A TODA SU PINCHE MADRE !!!

  • Gunt, hey fat chick!

    That last paragraph makes me think that one of us listens to the original Mortal Kombat soundtrack WAY too much…

    • http://www.metalsucks.net/category/scraping-genius-off-the-wheel/ Gary Suarez

      I prefer the HIDEAWAY soundtrack, actually.

  • MSalonen

    Suarez really needs to stop writing. Everything he’s done is fucking terrible.

  • Shawn

    you are wrong about rammstein, dick.

  • Shawn

    by the way… arguing about music is as useless as arguing about religion. Anything we can do to waste time before we die, eh?

  • kmfcm

    NIN

    I look at them the way I look at Emperor

    nobody else should’ve attempted their sound

    ever

    (by the way. . . .who will be credited with the lame symphonic black metal trend? Emperor? Dimmu? or Cradle?)

  • Haeckel

    Wiseblood and Young Gods are usually overlooked. Back in the 80s I listened to them as part of a musical diet of mostly hardcore and thrash metal. Nine Inch Nails became the archetype of industrial metal but the path was already well established. Prior to that Reznor was another aspiring synthpop musician.

    Check out Trent Reznor’s brief appearance in the 1987 Joan Jett / Michael J. Fox vehicle Light of Day.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM0MmNjy97s

  • METALdoesSUCK

    This article/opinion is SHIT!
    Metal being shitte or whatever has nothing do with NIN or the bands the paid homage/ripped off a band as great and unique as the nails!!! Music is fucking music! Fuck your labels, opinions and sheeple that agree.
    95% of all the bands listed are better than most music on radio and most modern metal.
    nevermind all that What a abomination Meta fans have becomel damn shame..

  • Zergerer

    No reason for Rammstein to have made the list. They come from Eurotrash industrial as well but a different branch.
    Good point though nobody has ever managed to sounds as good as NIN at their best, but there are a lot of imitiators.
    Didn’t agree about #5 and #6 being together though, Killswitch and ATG. Killswitch sound like wanky derivatives of themselves now and therefore shouldn’t have made the list. I wouldn’t put them into the league of other bands on the list.

  • demonstrator

    I agree orgy is a derivative, but I can’t help it. I like their stuff. I’m sorry!

  • http://www.google.com trolololololo

    szopjátok ki a gecim.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Wilton/1671083542 Chris Wilton

    didn’t read any of the comments but rammstein owns