EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH FORMER KILLSWITCH ENGAGE/CURRENT THE EMPIRE SHALL FALL VOCALIST JESSE LEACH

Wednesday, March 31st, 2010 at 3:00pm by

Photo by Will Hawkins. Check out more awesome pics from Jesse’s gigs with KSE in NYC here.

Jesse Leach has found himself back in the headlines a lot as of late: after Howard Jones dropped of off Killswitch Engage’s recent tour amidst some pretty bizarre rumors, Leach briefly reunited with the band, much to the delight of many a KSE fan (including this one). This inevitably led to gossip that Leach might be re-joining the band – gossip that Leach won’t actually confirm or deny.

It’s also led to a sudden surge of interest in The Empire Shall Fall, Leach’s latest musical endeavor – which is great, ’cause they’re a good band and deserve the attention.

And so this seemed like a good time to ask Leach to ponder his own past, present, and future. In a recent e-mail exchange, Jesse told me, in great detail, about all of his various musical endeavors, including Killswitch Engage, Seemless, The Empire Shall Fall, and Times of Grace, a new project he’s doing with KSE’s Adam Dutkiewicz. Full transcript after the jump.

There have been a lot of different stories over the years about why you left Killswitch Engage. To set the record straight once and for all, why did you leave the band?

Well, first of all, I did not know how to use my voice properly back then. So I would push too hard, and my voice would get hoarse, which would kill my confidence as a singer. (Note: this is no longer the case, my voice is 100% better than it was.) I also had a cancer scare a few weeks prior to the tour. So we had to cancel shows, and I started to get paranoid about my voice, so I would avoid drinking and smokey rooms, which in turn made me a bit of a miserable loner on the road. We were all fairly new to touring, so when we got out there, naturally, the guys wanted to be sociable and would hang out and drink, etc. Since I wasn’t drinking (foolishly thinking that would help me retain my voice), I spent a great deal of time by myself in the van, and it really started to drag me down. I had recently gotten married (to my wife of eight years now), and she was the only one I was confiding in about feeling like I was slipping into a depression. It got to the point where I could not deal with being on the road, and the loneliness. In retrospect, I was young and I did not know how to speak up and ask for help. Had I done so, things may have been different. I now see that everything did happen for a reason and I cannot change the past… it is what it is…

You’ve said in the past that you regret “the way I handled” leaving KSE. Can you be more specific? What would you have done differently?

Well, if I was able to do it all over again, I would have been more vocal about my issues with my voice and my mental state of mind. I also would have left on less awkward terms, face to face versus an email. Again, I was young and not completely self-aware back then.

The band really took off shortly after you left. Do you have any regrets about leaving? About others benefitting from your work?

No regrets really, I can’t… I made a choice and I can do nothing but stand by it. I am very happy for them and proud of all they have achieved. It is also pretty amazing that, after eight years, the band still plays the songs I wrote, so the message is still getting out to people!

How did it feel being back on-stage with KSE after all these years?

It felt really good. I have maintained a friendship with all of them, so I was very comfortable. As far as performing with them, it was amazing, it felt like redemption. The energy and the chemistry was still there after all these years!

What do you think of about KSE’s post-Alive or Just Breathing output? Specifically, Howard Jones’ work – vocally and lyrically – as compared to your own?

I think Howard is a great vocalist! Lyrically we do come from different places. Bottom line is, we are very different singers. So… it definitely gets on my nerves when people try to compare us. I grow weary of the arguments and people disrespecting Howard or myself to “prove” who is a better vocalist or frontman. If you like me or prefer me, don’t disrespect Howard, if you like Howard or prefer Howard, don’t disrespect me. Of course people will continue to do this, but I have to say “for the record” it is a shame that people do not consider the impact words can have on someone you don’t even know as a person. People just focus way to much on the nonsense and gossip instead of the content and the music.

You performed with Howard at the Roadrunner United concert in 2005. What was it like to share the stage with your successor?

It was great, and a lot of fun. We all saw it as a potential way to ease the rumors and silence a lot of the nonsense about there being bad blood between myself and the KSE boys.

Can you address the rumors that Howard is now out KSE and you are returning to the fold? And if you’re NOT re-joining KSE, is it something you would ever even consider if Howard ever did leave?

I will not comment on any of this. This is a private and touchy subject all around. I can’t say what the future holds for KSE. My prayers and thoughts are with all of them as they figure out what their next move will be. Regardless, I am very proud of Phil LaBonte and the KSE crew for stepping up to finish this last tour. I am certain it was not easy to muster up the strength and confidence to pull it off. I also think it shows the loyalty of a great many of the fans who still came out to support them. If you really look at that tour, it was something special, and, again, I am very proud of them all!

Your parents were at one of the KSE performances, and I think I saw your dad throw horns when you dedicated a song to them. Do your folks have any appreciation for the music you make? Do they still hope you’ll become a doctor or a lawyer or something?

Well, first of all, I can tell you he did not throw horns, ha ha, as he is a minister. He may have pointed at me or threw a fist. My parents have always told me to have a back up plan to music, especially after I left KSE. They were, and are, right. That is why I work 40-50 hours a week at a job that I could care less about. However, I have always been too stubborn and too driven to even consider it over the years. That being said, they definitely support my music and always have. My dad calls me a “rock star” all of the time and wears all of my t-shirts. I just laugh at him, as I beg to differ, but thats my Pops.

Are you sick of people (like me!) concentrating on your past as the front man for KSE?

At times it sucks, because like any passionate artist, I want to be relevant with the times, like what I am doing with The Empire Shall Fall. However, I can’t have anything but appreciation for people who have so much love for something I did or was a part of. In fact, it is pretty amazing that I get emails about Alive or Just Breathing almost daily. I have seen how the power of music can effect peoples lives on so many levels, and I will always be grateful for that… so I guess it is bitter sweet.

Both of your post-KSE projects, Seemless and Empire Shall Fall, are/were quite different from KSE. Do you feel like that’s not a style of metal you have any interest in pursuing any further?

It is funny, because when we were recording Alive or Just Breathing, it was not a conscious thing where we set out to do any particular style. That is how I approach everything I do. I am not consciously saying to myself, “Okay, let me do this so I sound like this or don’t sound like this.” I try to put vocals over the music that make sense to me and feels right. I am not a fan of being put into genres. I understand the reference points needed for people to grasp the tones and sounds, but I don’t ever want to be painted into a corner. I am a mutt with the music I listen to, and I am a mutt when it comes to how I like to use my voice. Basically I am a mutt… I will do whatever music I want with no regard to how it is received. I believe there will always be people who will recognize genuine music and support it.

What was the cause of the demise of Seemless, and what was the impetus for the creation of Empire Shall Fall?

Seemless was formed becasue Derek Kerswill, the drummer, wanted me to sing for his band. Pete Cortese [from Overcast], an old friend [And very briefly a KSE member. - Ed.] was playing guitar with Derek and sent me a CD of songs. I loved what I heard, and decided I wanted to challenge myself to sing for a rock n ‘roll band. Seemless was a great experience for me, but after six years, it had run its course. I think Seemless was dying after the last tour we did, it just took months for us all to lay it to rest. That and the fact that Derek joined Unearth as the full time touring drummer and is now an official member. So with Derek traveling around the world doing his thing, there was little time to try to salvage Seemless. We did what we could and Seemless helped me discover a whole other side of my voice, and also gave me a love for touring. Nothing but great memories with those guys!

The Empire Shall Fall came about due to my desire for more aggressive music. I was talking to my long time friend and “jamming partner” Nick Sollecito (Bass player for The Empire Shall Fall) about doing a band together. I needed an outlet for aggression at that point in my life, as 2009 was a tough, tough year for me. Anyway, Nick knew of a guitarist who was interested in jamming – his name is Jake Davenport (who at the time was seventeen). Jake sent me demos of him jamming with programmed drums. I was floored, and we recruited a mutual friend, Alex Chapman, to play drums. Alex and Nick had never played in an aggressive band, so our sound was formed out of experimentation with styles and tones. Long story short, Alex had to focus on his paying jazz gigs, and we enlisted Marcus De Lisle as our seconded guitarist and Jeff Pitts, also an old friend, as our drummer. Marcus is also an engineer, and he produced our first record, Awaken. We have only begun as a band, and it has been amazing to build a band from the ground up and watch it grow. We put on a killer live show and are already working on new material to follow-up our first record, which is a demonstration of our embryonic and evolving sound. Lyrically, it touches on political  and humanitarian themes, which people either love or hate. However, not all of it is supposed to be so literal, but I think the passion of my voice may counteract my “artistic story telling.” Yah live & learn. Definitely excited for our new stuff as I feel we are coming into our own as it were.

We hear you’re working on a solo album, as well as a new project with Adam D., Times of Grace. What can you tell us about those projects? How will they be similar or different from your past endeavors?

The solo music for now is in demo form on MySpace. It is the music that is in my head and will be mostly very mellow stuff mixing various styles: trip-hop/dub/ambient, etc, etc. This is a work in progress ,as I don’t know if there will be vocals, or what songs I will scrap or rewrite. I like the idea of putting up raw ideas seeing what people say. Who knows, I may keep it raw andlo-fi…

Times of Grace, however, is a project Adam and I have worked on and have been waiting to release for the past few years. The timing has to be just right, and we are finalizing stuff now with the label that will release the record worldwide… It is to be seen where this will go, but we are both very excited for this record! Style wise it pulls from metal/rock/ambient shoe gaze type stuff, as well as punk and blues. It is something you just have to hear. I will go on record and say it is the most epic work of our careers in my opinion. I am certain people will react to it as lyrically it is very soulful and deep. The music (all written by Adam I might add) is just powerful stuff. Adam is an incredible writer and producer… I truly feel if given the right opportunities, he could be a full-on composer and score movies, among other things. So be on the look out for this one…

Anything you’d like to add for the readers of MetalSucks?

Give respect where respect is due. To anyone reading this that has ever supported me or shown me love, you have my infinite thanks! Support the underground! One Love to all… even if you are a judgmental, close-minded jerk… you have your place in this world… ha ha. Thanks for the interview guys, God Bless.

-AR

Check out The Empire Shall Fall on MySpace and Facebook.

  • Kyle

    The Howard situation is starting to get really weird. Maybe he really isn’t coming back? I think Jesse rejoining the band would definitely be the spark they need to shake up their increasingly stale sound. After seeing the shows in NYC, there is no doubt the chemistry is still there between those guys (in the live setting at least). I’ve seen Killswitch a handful of times with Howard, but they are simply ferocious with Jesse on the mic. It wasn’t even like the same band. Anyway, if it were to happen I would be stoked as I love Alive or Just Breathing about as much as one could possibly love a record.

    Jesse seems like a very nice and laid back guy. I do dig The Empire Shall Fall and l am looking forward to hearing the project he did with Adam. Should be interesting.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Frank-Datank-Lamia/552360539 Frank Datank Lamia

      Rumor has it Howard got a pornstar pregnant and he doesn’t want to pay child support don’t believe me look it up.

      • Jered

        I wish Jesse had came back for good. I got to see him play with KSE in Albany when Howard was out. But you are right…Howard has made their sound stale from Alive or Just Breathing.

  • Joe

    I’d love Leach to record an album with Killswitch, just to see what kind of sound they would go for. Obviously Howard Jones is a great frontman, but it would be interesting to see what approach they would have.

  • Driven9

    that guy is legit as hell. I for one am happy he parted ways with KSE. It seems like it has worked out for him as well, as it has allowed him to be more creative/artistic (I’d wager he would have eventually felt trapped with the never-changin sound of KSE) – side note: im digging The Empire Shall Fall tracks.

  • Ludacrisaurus

    SO MANY THINGS TO BE EXCITED ABOUT. I like Howard, but I hope Jesse makes a triumphant return to KSE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

    look at adam’s hair in that picture. hahahahaha priceless

    • gojirasaurus

      looks like Devin towsend, nu-metal form

  • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

    I’m a fan of Howard, he’s a great at what he does but I’ve certainly lost interest in KSE over the past few years so it would be amazing and surely spark my interest again if Jesse rejoined

  • http://www.myspace.com/7stringslaughter CJLsky

    I would love to hear another KsE album with Jesse at the mic. Howard is great, too, but KsE’s sound has grown a bit stale as of late, and having Jesse back up front may be the proverbial boot to the ass that they need to start making some brutal-ass metal again. Either way, it would be nice to know what the hell is going on, one way or the other.

  • Slaughterhouse

    Great read! Love AOJB. Best KsE by far! It would be cool to see them back together. Seems like a laid back guy!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

    Mike D stated that Howard’s coming back in an interview posted on Monday…

    So there’s your answer…

    • stu1

      Band’s been saying that since the day he left tour. Doesn’t mean its true. Or likely.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

        Because that makes sense…

        • CrapMcPoopin

          i agree with Stu1, until he is doing shows again, he’s as good as gone.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

            Why come right out and say that he’s still a member of the band if it wasn’t true? If there were any problems they would skirt the issue.

          • Ryan

            The simple answer is we don’t know yet. I’ll wait till I see him on stage again before I’m convinced, but I don’t think this mean’s he’s gone. I’m willing to bet he’ll be back.

          • Jonathan

            Howard’s said multiple times on the bonus DVD with their latest album he hates touring. And he’s said it in podcasts and other things too. I wouldn’t be surprised if he decides to leave– he’s a great guy, but I think he might be getting tired of the touring lifestyle, which leads to the uninspired-sounding music sometimes…

    • eden

      i agree. its not jesse’s place to say anything in regards to what is happening with kse so i can understand why he had no comment abou tit. It’s not his band nor is he in it. theres no reason why they would lie instead of saying they were unsure

      I cant see why they would kick out howard. in another interview mike d said that they had 2 more albums with roadrunenr. this was back in 2008. so that means the next album will be the last with them. makes me wonder if they will even continue.

  • SukMyBoomStik

    This already seems to be the general consensus but I’ll say it anyway- Howard is ok but nothing they’ve done with him has come close to Alive or Just Breathing. I’ve gotten every one of their albums and enjoyed them each on some level but if Jesse came back, it would be the first time since AOJB that I was legitimately excited for a new KSE album.

  • http://myspace.com/theswampzombiecult Blake

    “I can’t say what the future holds for KSE. My prayers and thoughts are with all of them as they figure out what their next move will be.”

    The way he’s phrasing this statement tells me he will not be returning. I could be wrong on this, but sadly I don’t think he’s coming back. He does seem pretty busy, though… so best wishes to him.

    I’d also like to add that the fact one of modern metal’s greatest voices still works a day job is a fucking TRAVESTY.

    • Slaughterhouse

      Also, it does sound like Howard did quit!

      • http://myspace.com/theswampzombiecult Blake

        Ahhh, didn’t catch that. Kudos, sir.

        • natsquatch

          Haha.

  • d.o.g.o.b.g.y.n.

    I’d like to see Jesse come back, if for nothing else to prevent the next album from being The End Of Heartache part 4. Nothing against Howard or anything, but would it have killed the man to come up with some fresh lyrical content?

  • Dr schwine-hoot

    F*cking love TESF, since it came out so late last yr( i even pre ordered it) i consider it one of my favorites so far of 2010. And itll def b there still by the end of the yr…. And it would be cool if he rejoined KSE, but i hope he doesnt simply b/c it would take away fromTESF. And great to hear there already working on their follow up. Times of Grace, cant wait to hear it…

  • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

    Oh look the second coming of christ……..

  • Tonberry

    I had a chance to play with TESF at The Watergrill in Brooklyn a few months back. It was strange, but awesome to see Jesse rocking such a small stage at such an intimate venue.

  • eden

    loved seemless and love tesf. a huge fan of jesse’s work too. i hope he doesnt return to kse because theres no way he’d be able to keep the 2 bands going. look at howard with kse and blood has been shed.

  • Tugboat

    Jesse is the man. The End of Heartache and As Daylight Dies were good (don’t even want to talk about their god awful latest effort) but Alive or Just Breathing is the quintessential metalcore album. Everything from start to finish on that album blew me away. If Jesse finds someway back into the KSE fold, it might be the greatest thing to happen to the band since they released AOJB.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Micheal-Vanderven/502827008 Micheal Vanderven

    as a long time KsE fan, theres nothign more than i would LOVE TO SEE IS JESSE REUNITING FOR ANOTHER ALBUM TO KICK THE SHIT OUT OF THE LAST BULLCRAP ALBUM THEY RELEASED.

    LETS SEE IT!

    I WANNA SEE JESSE TAKE THE STAGE AND DO A KICKASS WORLD TOUR DESTROYING ALL

    come onnnn!!!!!!! COME ONNNN!!!! LETS DO IT!

  • PeterVincas

    If KSE record another album with Howard on vocals there no doubt in my mind it will be the bands ultimate demise. This is a gift, perfect timing to sever the ties with the Howard (end of heartache’ sound) and usha in a monstrous breath of fresh air into metal. If the community is feeling this way Im damn sure KSE know they need to cease this opportunity before they become some has beens of the metalcore fad.

  • Tacoloft

    I agree with the last couple posts about the last album. It is my least favorite of the KSE catalog. THey turned the production over to a big studio and they just mangled it. I think they were looking to make an album for a more accepting audience and it just came out “brown” and dull. Maybe a re-mastering of the album might do it some good as it seems mixed wrong. Or just let it die on the vine – I think the fans would be ok with that.
    I hadn’t even heard of The Empire Shall Fall until this week. I ordered the cd and T-shirt – (support your local sherrif) Patiently waiting for the items to arrive in the mail.
    Jesse is a great guy – a very talented person. Another poster above said it was a damn shame he still works a 40hr week job. I might have to agree with him. I think Jesse and the TESF crew could kick off a tour as a supporting act and do REALLY well seeing as how much of the material pertains to Americas present condition.

  • hikizume

    Most won’t find this interesting since it isn’t about the music itself but what I found on the empire shall fall myspace is too fucked up to let it slide.

    As a Venezuelan, I found it insulting to find on their myspace a link to a website that supports the lies of a tyrant, murderous government.

    People who don’t get to experience things first hand should keep their opinions to themselves, as they wind up coming across as ignorant, offensive fucks.

  • Y

    hikizume. most of the stories we hear in the states from the mainstream media demonizes the chavez(venezuela) government. i believe the band is about spreading information from alternate points of view and letting people make up their own mind. i agree it should be clearer that the links posted are just to foster information sharing and not necessarily an endorsement by the band(which they are not).

    _______

    my opinion(NOT THE BAND’S, PLEASE TAKE THAT NOTE) – is that depending on where you sit in the socio-economic hierarchy will determine some of your views of chavez. venezuela, like much of central and south america has been a hotbead for dictatorships and torture for a long time – mostly at the insistence of the u.s. empire propping up un-democratic and almost fascist regimes to keep the people, resources, etc. in the control of the multi-national corporations. chavez on the other hand has made strides towards some positive social improvements, although this could be debated if you were rich and benefitting from the way the government was setup prior to the “bolivarian revolution.” insisting that whatever poverty exists, etc in venezuela currently is a function of your views of the “tyrant, murderous” goverment of Chavez is like insisting that there is no past, that everything exists in a vacuum and that conditions PRIOR to Chavez had nothing to do with the conditions that exist there now. unfortunately , most people do not read history and believe a lot of the what media tells them so they are easily swayed by emotional filled such as yours. your view of the band coming across as “ignorant, offensive” fucks reflects more on your agenda and motives than anything else.

    • hikizume

      Dude, the other side of this story, the one they tell on that website, is responsible for the lives of +100.000 people. First of all this number is all theirs, regardless of prior conditions and that number is a lot larger than Iraq’s, and Iraq is a country at war, where they going at it with tanks, helicopters, missiles and all of that shit. It’s like it’s 1941 and they’re walking around talking about how cool that guy Hitler is.

      You’re right about one thing though, my views on this ARE emotional. How emotional would your opinion be if you had to hear about your friends/relatives getting mugged/kidnaped/shot/killed almost on a daily basis?

      And this has nothing to do with where people sit in the food chain. It’s rich people and poor people, dying in the streets everyday, like it’s a joke.

      Nothing against you dude, you do seem like you’ve done your share of educating yourself but people can read all the books they want and think they’re informed, but I don’t want to hear anyone talk about how good eating shit is unless they’ve had a big bowl of it for breakfast everyday for the last 10 years, you know?

  • Fufkin

    Jesse is a class act – look forward to hearing the Times Of Grace album, sounds very interesting. I still listen to the first Seemless album a lot.
    It’s just not right that the singer on a modern classic metal album is having to work a day job. But the idea of him going back to KSE is starting to sound less crazy by the day.

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