MISHASUCKS.NET/GEAR_GEEK: PERIPHERY GUITARIST BULB ON THE IMPORTANCE OF MID-RANGE GUITAR FREQUENCIES AND HOW TO TWEAK YOUR LIVE TONE

Thursday, April 22nd, 2010 at 5:00pm by

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I know all of you guise have been in the situation where you are at a show trying to enjoy a band, but all you hear out of the guitars is just “pshshhrhhhshrhhshhsh” or something similar to distorted white noise and that flubby low-end fart sound that we all know and love dearly. Fingers be a movin’ but the sound remains pretty much constant.

Now there are several potential reasons for this: some are out of your control like a shitty sound guy, system or room, and those things can make even a great sound engineer have an even worse time than when you French fry when you were supposed to Pizza. But there are aspects within your control which can facilitate or sometimes even remedy those issues to a degree. And that’s what I want to talk about. For those of us who play shows regularly and/or tour we can bitch all day about the things out of our control that make our lives miserable, but sadly those things aren’t likely to change any time soon. But I feel like I see a lot of people who could make their live tone that much better before it’s even miked up, as it’s near impossible to polish a turd, especially not with a line check that’s less than five minutes.

To start off, for those of you who don’t know, the guitar emits mid-range; that is its job and focus. I don’t care if you tune to drop L flat, the timbre of the instrument means that if you want it to be heard you need to focus on the midrange in your tone. So first thing’s first: sorry BBE and all clones, but you need to go. Great for the studio, but terrible for your live sound. They basically make your sound “bigger” by accentuating the highs and lows (aka white noise and the farts) and as a result your mids (aka your tone) gets pushed even further back. Tthis is great to have your tone sound like a recording when you are jamming along to your favorite bands’ albums, but in a live context, whatever little mids you have left will be eaten up by the other instruments.

The first big problem I see is the fact that a lot of people set their tones when jamming at practice or in the bedroom. Because the higher the frequency goes the more directional it is, when you are standing next to your halfstack it sounds pretty good because the highs aren’t being shot right at your ear. But if you were to put your ear to the speaker inches away from the grille (as the mic would be doing) you would hear a horribly harsh tone. So the first thing I would recommend doing is setting your amp with your ear to the grille (ease off of that treble and presence buddeh!), and then at the same height but 5, 10 and 20 feet away so you would hear what the mic is hearing as well as the people In the front row. You will find that when playing next to your amp it will sound horribly dull (as only the low-mids will really be cutting through) but the mic will be picking up so much more of your tone and your notes and you will find yourself cutting through the mix a lot better! As far as the low end, it really depends on the amp’s voicing, but once again: it sounds great when you crank it in the bedroom, but you don’t want to compete with your bassist’s low-mids. Trust me, he will win, and your amp will flub and fart out. Your amp may sound less huge as a result, but trust me, in the live mix everything will just sit so much better and have its own space!

Something very important to note at this point is that these are just general sound concepts and different amps react very differently. For example, on my Engl Invader, the EQ is incredibly straightforward and you can just get more mids by turning them up, plain and simple, so I usually set my bass and treble at about 5 or 6 and mids are cranked, but that only works for that one amp. On other amps, the EQ’s react very differently so you need to learn your own amp. I used to have a Series 1 Mesa Rectoverb (those series 1’s are amazing!) but you are literally better off setting that amp without looking at what the knobs say. For example, if you want more mids, you actually have to turn the treble down below 2 to end up with a huge mid boost, the mid knob acts more as a high mid/treble knob, and the presence knob will give you high end sparkle or fizz depending on how you set it. Get to know your amp and experiment with it, but once you know how to get certain sounds from it make sure you set it the way the crowd, and even more importantly, the microphone would hear it. Embrace the mids and you will cut through much better live! Oh, and your dick will surely get bigger too!

Kisses

-bulb

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Voltaggio/1409575074 Christian Voltaggio

    Well now I want an Engl. My amp doesnt give a shit what i do to the knobs!

    • fightingmike

      Do you have a 5150?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-J-Henningsgard/1024517365 Steven J. Henningsgard

        bahahahaha

    • getreal

      this dudes bands sucks and his is dull, flat, and sounds like every horrible retard math-chug metalcore

      not real music

      • Slaughterhouse

        What makes REAL music…lol fucking hilarious…just because YOU don’t like it, doesn’t make it not real. That was one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here. And he wasn’t really talking about Tone, he was talking about cutting through in a live presence because Tone is all opinion based

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Heinrich-Arnold/634489571 Heinrich Arnold

          I agree, and besides, he has a stellar tone, especially for the kind of music he’s playing.

  • fightingmike

    Amen! My thoughts exactly! There is a reason that Kerry King has always had custom amps that have extra mids! Less gain and less low end!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Friis-Jensen/586053558 Christian Friis Jensen

      Kerry King also said once, that a scooped EQ looks like a smile, and you can’t have smiles in this sort of music. Frowny EQ for angry music, that’s how it works.

  • Jogeta316

    One of the best and most useful posts on Metal Sucks!
    Thank you Mr Mansoor!

  • Matthew Grant Anson

    Very good. Might even make up for the beheading shit.

    • Isaac

      Oh, get over it already. Just because Eyal doesn’t have a very deep or introspective view on death doesn’t mean the message he intended isn’t profound. Besides, you didn’t have to watch it.

      • Matthew Grant Anson

        Profound? “Shit in the world is fucked up.” We listen to metal; we don’t live under rocks. If you didn’t already know that and needed to watch someone get their head cut off, I don’t know what to tell you.

        More warning would have been appropriate. “Very very very NSFW” usually is sarcastic. Something along the lines of “hey, there’s a guy getting beheaded in this video. If you don’t want to watch it, move along” would have been more appropriate.

        There’s a reason why the response was overwhelmingly negative.

        • mr. poops

          bitch more

          • Matthew Grant Anson

            I need your help, show me how :(

        • IWRESTLEDYOURMOMONCE

          Before I even click play, I see a guy with his head being held down by a boot and a huge knife at his thouat. I don’t pretend to be intelligent, but between the thread title and the image on the screen, I kinda knew what was about to happen and chose not to watch it. I agree it didn’t really fit on the site, but get over it…

          • Matthew Grant Anson

            Hey, I wish I had your visual skills. But you said it yourself, doesn’t belong. It’s not like I’m swearing off MS or Eyal’s column or Daath.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thestarsthrewdowntheirspears Tim

    YES! Really looking forward to reading more of these!

    My band played a show last night in a gigantic skate park with a few other local acts and After The Burial. The sound was atrocious, just pummeling low end with no note definition whatsoever, and the only thing that saved us from sounding as bad as all the other bands (including ATB… superior gear is not a fix for detuned 8-strings when you’re trying to get clarity in a room like that) was my guitarist cutting the lows and boosting the highs. Maybe not what you’d normally think of for metal tone, but it definitely saved the mix.

    • tits mcgee

      “My band played a show last night in a gigantic skate park with a few other local acts and After The Burial. The sound was atrocious, just pummeling low end with no note definition whatsoever”

      Yeah, sounds like an ATB show…

  • http://www.roxwel.com Pick-Axe Bobby

    Nice. I look forward to more of this column…

  • http://thenumberoftheblog.com/ groverXIII

    Whoa… nice column. Misha, love your Bulb stuff… unfortunately, I really think Spencer’s voice does not fit Periphery’s sound and kind of ruins the album for me. I hate to say it, but I hope you guys find a vocalist who better fits your sound.

    Also, Tre Watson keeps telling me that he knows you… confirm or deny?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenneth-Clyburn/628140091 Kenneth Clyburn

      I like it when people try and tell the person making the music that something or someone doesn’t fit their sound. Because Misha wouldn’t know AT ALL what the band HE CREATED should or shouldn’t sound like.

      Nope. Not at all…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mathew-James-Saunders/1153389571 Mathew James Saunders

        It’s a completely subjective opinion, and he had every right to voice it. He just explained he doesn’t like the vox (which are indeed atrocious)

  • Steve O

    I would pay attention to what Misha’s got to say… has anyone heard this guy’s tone? It’s bloody amazing

  • brookh

    Awesome, definitely keep this one coming

  • James H

    Very helpful article. Too many people cut the mids out. And in response to Grover… just no. Spencer sounds amazing. The album is beautiful. I hope the line up never changes because it finally works and works for the members. Spencer’s the closest thing we’ll ever get to Casey who was basically a god.

    • http://thenumberoftheblog.com/ groverXIII

      I haven’t heard Casey, so I have nothing to compare to, but Spencer’s voice seems more appropriate for a screamo band. His clean singing and screams are a bit too high and just don’t fit the music at all, as far as I’m concerned.

      I mean, that’s my opinion, of course… not everyone’s going to agree with me. But I do believe there are a lot of people out there that agree with me.

      • Steve O

        Grover, the only people I’ve ever met that actually like Spencer are the die-hard Periphery fans who all seem to think he’s amazing. Casey is just much better at everything (Especially cleans), but everyone including himself said he just couldn’t do it live, stage fright and things like that.

        • Kazz

          I hadn’t heard that about Casey, but imo he was definitely the best vocalist they’ve had. I haven’t really cared for either of the two guys since Casey left.

      • Kazz

        Grover, if you’re curious, there are still clips of Casey with the band on youtube.

        Here’s Icarus Lives:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CugnVOTPAM

        Here’s another song that I don’t think made the album:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjKX5g-7988

        • Strapping Young Lad

          awee i miss Inertia. I really wish that made the album. First song I ever heard from casey

  • Ares

    Nice to read something for musicians on this site, pretty killer advice.

  • major

    Your tone fucking blows horse cock.

    • hellboar

      has to match vox, duh

      • Viking_xxx

        That made me laugh.

    • http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/ Alkahest

      You are a fucking idiot.

      • major

        Sorry bro his tone blows a dick. 2 suppressors? are you kidding me?

        • Ben

          Well, that’s 5 less suppressors than cocks that your mom stuffs up her ass every night. Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit

          • Adam

            Fucking buuurrrnned so hard!! ROFL

        • Strapping Young Lad

          sounds pretty good to me. jealous that someone’s band got signed and yours didn’t?

          • major

            Your opinion is wrong

        • Jon R

          Lol I don’t understand, what’s so wrong about having 2 noise suppressors (actually he has 3, one built into his Engl amp head)??? It doesn’t change his tone at all, I have the same 2 noise suppressor pedals Misha uses and they don’t change my tone, all they do is make it so if I were to do a fast chug or something, they are very tight.

          Like Misha has said, when he plays the guitar he wants full distortion, when he’s not playing he wants it completely silent. What’s the big deal? Are you jealous or something? Why does it matter how many suppressors he has? Do you think Bill Gates or Steve Jobs (no windows vs mac, im just making an example) make shitty products because they have more money than you?

  • Thrashbuster

    Sick article. Finally something that speaks to the gear nerds in all of us.

    Totally agree though. My 5150 typically runs a pretty flat EQ. (Bass 6, Mid 5, Treble 4) with a Maxon OD808 with a little boost to the overall balance to give the sound a little more volume and colour. Don’t lean on the mid too much cause the other guitarist in the band uses a lot more but at least leaving the EQ a little flatter leaves room in the mix for everyone else.

    Have played with other guitar players who suck the mids right out of their amps and I can’t stand it. Especially in a live setting. Sounds fine playing by yourself but as soon as you factor in bass (low end), bass drum (low end), and the lower end range of the vocals (if ya got the cookie monster vocals thing goin) shit just gets lost. Toss in a shitty PA or shitty sound guy and your pretty much fucked.

    Lookin forward to the next article.

  • http://www.flamingtusk.com Zosimus

    While it’s true that everyone seems to want to eliminate all the mids from their tone, which leads to bullshit, the important part of this discussion is not precisely what tone is “right” (since everyone has their own opinion) but rather that guitarists PAY ATTENTION to their tone. Spend time on it.

    • GoingDeaf?

      i think most guitarists DO spend time on their tone, but as the article talks about, they do so incorrectly…. setting your tone at bedroom levels or in a practice space standing next to your amp isn’t going to get you a good live sound….

  • hikizume

    this past couple of days have brought me a lot of interesting reading. thanks guys

    pay attention kids, guitar = mid – upper mid freq

    one thing though, if the maximizer is so shitty live, how come the guy from disturbed is praised so much by his live tone and he uses one?

    • fightingmike

      Sonic maximizers are AWEFUL!!!! The only band who have ever praised those things are shitty nu metal bands (disturbed, static x, etc…)

      • Ben

        You’re a jackass. Wayne Static uses 1 pedal. A noise gate. Stop spewing dumb shit just to try and sound cool

      • hikizume

        uhh…that would be a no. It’s well documented that wayne doesn’t even uses the reverb on his amp. And if you go to the bbe website you’ll see that everyone from Jeff Loomis to Scott Ian use it.

        You don’t have to like ‘em, but being misinformed shouldn’t be the reason why.

      • M

        “I wasn’t bringing my tone to it’s potential until I thickened it up with the BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer. An amp without a BBE is like having a bottle of Crown and no Coke.”
        – Rob Arnold, guitar

        That’s Chimaira.

      • M

        “I wasn’t bringing my tone to it’s potential until I thickened it up with the BBE 482 Sonic Maximizer. An amp without a BBE is like having a bottle of Crown and no Coke.”
        – Rob Arnold, guitar

  • CJLsky

    Awesome article! I always try to set my tone the best I can for shows, but this article gave me a few pointers that I didn’t know about before. Damn it, now I wanna play a show…

  • http://www.last.fm/user/opeth027/ Kyle

    In the immortal words of Manowar: ALL MEN PLAY ON 10!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYG1EmD12xE

    But seriously, cool article, looking forward to more!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Mitchell/727402512 Matthew Mitchell

    I have an ENGL SE , I dont even need to eq it to make it have perfect tone. Seriously though , everyone turn down the bass and treble and boost the mids.

    Kerry king once described why Slayer’s guitars have always been audible in the mix. Look at your eq how it would on a 10 band eq. If you scoop the mids and raise the highs and lows , it looks like a smiley face. Smiley faces are not not metal. There is no smiling in metal. If you boost the mids and lower the highs and lows , you get a mean frowning face , one much more reminiscent of and band photograph of the members of Immortal.

    sevenstring.org members unite!!!!

    • edika

      Right on!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Laurence-Cutrone/43905434 Laurence Cutrone

    I’ve grown to like Spencer, but Casey is obviously the best. I even REALLY liked Chris. His version of Light is fecking great. The album is crushing and I suppose Spencer kinda goes in the opposite direction, which makes a weird/unique effect. Some of the vocal melodies don’t go with the song at all, but most (if not all) of the songs were written and heard for a while completely without vocal parts. Overall though, Periphery kicks ass.

  • scott

    Imaging that, my dick is getting bigger! Could be because of misha though. Great article.

  • Reaper Man

    I know it’s a different sort of sound and everything but I have my knobs at Bass -9, Mid: -2, High: -7. I don’t play live but I’m under the impression that this si the sort of thing Zakk Wylde and Rob Flynn use. Also Dime was all about “scooping extra mids out” so yeah. As I said I’m going for a completely different sound and I don’t play live but whatever just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.

  • http://www.deathalizer.com Antonio

    Pretty generic advice. Some bands benefit from mids in their guitars, others don’t. Numetal is critized for being scooped, but for a while that sound was very popular and the guitars could be heard just fine. Metallica has made a career out of scooping the mids. It all depends on how you play and the overall balance of the band. For low tuned guitars, mids are needed because the guitars will not cut through otherwise.

  • thegreatadrianing

    Metallica also used their neck pickup which has more mids than bridge

  • bulb

    Thanks for the kind words guys!
    This is really just advice im giving from experience. And the wonderful thing is that it kinda leaves the subjective at the door. Whether or not my tone blows horse cock (which it may very well do to your ears) is irrelevant, because regardless of the style of music you play or how you play or whatever, physically the frequency range your guitar will emit will be in the midrange. (largely due in part to the nature of the frequency range and focus of most guitar speakers/cabs)

    So remember guys, its not so much about how your EQ looks, because as i said in the article different amps react very differently, some (like 5150′s) dont have much of an EQ range, some like mesas are very counter intuitive and may look like you are going against what you should be doing but will end up sounding more appropriate to this kind of setting. All in all you should just trust your ears (as you should will all things music related), this hopefully will just give some insight on how and where to trust your ears from given the nature of frequencies and how directional they are!

    One other detail i neglected to mention, is when setting your amp at bedroom volumes, the relative intensity of the high end is really subdued compared to when you crank it, so as a general rule i find myself rolling off the treble and/or presence on my amp when i crank it from a setting that sounded good at a lower volume level.

    Anyways, thanks for reading guys, even those of you who dislike me/my band, my tone etc, i appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule to comment!

    I have a few ideas on what to write about next, but i am open to suggestions if you guys have any!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Friis-Jensen/586053558 Christian Friis Jensen

      Thanks for taking the time to write this up. The whole “MOAR MIDS”-thing should be no-brainer as is, but it’s good to have it explained with such a practical slant on it.

      I’m just happy that my modded Laney GH50L is such a midrange monster, now that my band has decided to tune to G#. We need to avoid the flub right off the bat. Could the next article perhaps be about how to make the bass work in below-b tunings, in a live setting? That would be awesome!

      • bulb

        Ah yeah, those Laney’s just pump out the midrange, definitely thought they were very cool!
        Unfortunately im not really that knowledgeable with the bass stuff, or i would be more than happy to write about that!

        • Strapping Young Lad

          very interesting write up! Got Periphery’s debut this week and its been on nonstop rotation since. Great stuff! btw, nice South Park reference w/ the pizza and french fry bit, gave me a chuckle. Hopefully I’ll see you guys tear it up this Caturday at Metalfest!!

    • Steve O

      Maybe you could write about good/sick (in the case of ENGL) amps for playing heavy music?

      (I DO like your band and you seem like a really nice guy for the most part, I just can’t stand your vocalist… sorry :P)

  • http://www.sickdrummermagazine.com Ian

    “Misha Mansoor” was the most searched term for a long time on sickdrummer.com. I guess he plays guitar too? lol

    Great article from an immense talent…
    Ian

  • Brrrrrrt

    Hey Misha !

    Don’t pay attention to these mean comments about Periphery ! These guys can’t even reproduce what you all did in your self titled ! They’re so jealous ! Hahaaa !

    Your band is awesome, Spencer is an amazing singer and Matt is a groove machine !

    I am having a blast listening to your album !

    Greetings from France and Switzerland !

  • devoured by vegans

    I dont own any expensive gear, My current set up is a 1970′s traynor YGL-3A Mark III for highs and mids and a Sunn Coliseum 300 for low mids and bass.

    Dont think i spent more than £500 on my whole rig excluding guitars gives a pretty Killer sound, the traynor gives some gnarly crusty mids and the sunn provides super doom, and with the right set-up can still cut clear for more techy stuff. Definately think splitting your tone between amps helps and 70′s amps can be both awesome and cheap personally i want an impact/sound city head next.

  • large jockstrap

    as a tone chaser, i think that its not so much the high treble that makes that awful buzzsaw tone, but more the insane amount of gain people use.

    i’ve got a marshall jvm 100 watt combo, and even a high end valve amp doesn’t sound good all the time. everything needs tweaking to your liking. moving where the mic is placed can also affect what sound is amplified

    but great post, look forward to more of them

    • Billy Chapman

      Agreed. I have a 100W JVM as well and it responds to EQ like no other amp I’ve ever played before. My EQ changes, sometimes drastically, from bedroom to rehearsal space to venue.

  • everett

    I got a chance to see you in louisville, and even talked to you for just a minute (thanks for tolerating my drunk ass). you had a terrific live sound and put on an awesome show. great article, I’ve always been an avid proponent of mids in a live setting, although i EQ my amp slightly differently at home to sound more ‘full’ from where im sitting.

  • http://pandasdestroy.com Greg

    Misha, do you have any experience going direct for live sound?

  • JB

    Love it, keep these columns coming! And congrats on the record, the shit smokes!!

  • djabthrash

    Nice post, good reminder.

  • Chip Northcutt

    Use good strings that have proper harmonic structure (GHS, SIT, D’Addario). Turn the gain down and play harder, let the power stage do the work, this gives more dynamics. Listen and play in tune, it doesn’t happen all by itself. Be happy and have fun, it come through.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Sacha-Laskow/839335493 Alan Sacha Laskow

    N00bz also tend to without fail have way to much gain that turns into fizzy mush. Turn the gain down, pick hard and play tight and it will sound good.

  • Pfffftttt

    Anyone else find it kind of ironic Misha is posting about this when he doesn’t even record with real amps and cabs? He doesn’t mic up for recording…

    The guitar tone on the album is not that great… under gained, kinda muffled, completely lacking balls… It needs more saturation and more highs. This is a guy who says he hates most Vintage 30 cabs… the same cabs that are used by some of the best professional metal engineers in the world every single day.

    The whole “boost your mids” thing is pretty generic advice. I don’t think most people who read here and also play guitar are ignorant enough tthat they’re unaware that the guitar is mid range instrument…

    I like Periphery, and Misha is a cool dude who writes some really cool music, but if he’s going to have a column here it should be about something he’s better suited to talk about. Making great music doesn’t necessarily make someone an authority on gear or guitar tone.

    • bulb

      You do realize i am talking about strictly live situations right? This has little to do with recording as the rules are completely different there. You can actually get away with scooping a lot more on a recording and letting the bass carry the note, and once again let me remind you that this has little to do with whether you like my tone or not, which is totally fine by me either way.

      Its funny, you say that i dislike most v30 cabs, and yet i use an Orange with v30′s live, besides there is more to a cab than just its speaker, the construction and materials make just as much of a difference, i just happen to like that combination best, and i have had mixed results with other brands that use that speaker, once again if you are talking about professional metal engineers you are talking about the studio, im talking about live sound here.

      Anyways, just thought i would clear that up for ya!

      If you disagree with me or think my tone is shitty or think this article is shitty, then i pray you send your congressman (or woman) a letter telling them to make your parents stop forcing you to read this article and follow it to a tee with your tone, ill do what i can on my end as well!

      • Pfffftttt

        …but whether miking up a cab for a recording or miking up a cab for playing live, you’re still miking up a cab, and you’re still fitting the guitar tone in a mix. The same rules apply. There should be very little difference between how it was recorded and how it was miked live… If the same overdrive pedal, amp + settings, cab, and mic placement are used, the guitar tone isn’t going to be drastically different sounding than how it sounded in the studio. If monitoring is worked out well, there doesn’t need to be any excessive mid boosting to cut through and be heard. Sure, the guitar is a mid range instrument. So is the human voice. So is the piano…

        The point: Many of the most talked about & best sounding modern metal albums and artists use a slightly scooped tone… It’s not about just boosting mids to be heard. It’s about knowing what sounds good and using your ears to make it happen.

        • Justin Sniggles

          Hey Pffffffffft. It’s bad enough you named your MS name after a pussy fart, but then you go on some diatribe about how you think tone should be, but are rallying against Misha for how he thinks tone should be. You both have opinions. It’s funny too how you seem to know more about Mishas gear then the actual person that uses it daily does.

          I got an idea, how about you post a link below so we can hear YOUR master tonesmanship since we’ve all heard Mishas before and KNOW it slays. Oh wait, I bet you won’t, cause it probably sounds like a Peavey 1×12 bandit. Or wait, maybe you named your login name after the sounds your Crate Blue Voodoo makes through your Beringer cab?!?! PFFFFTTT!!! I’d bet your tone is equivalent to the sound of a cold turd hitting a wet paper plate.

          Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one….but apparently you’re intitled to lick them too.

          • Spencer

            hey don’t diss the Bandit!

        • http://www.myspace.com/infinitedescent C-Rob

          There generally is a gigantic difference between how an amp is mic’d during recording and how it is mic’d live. I mean just to start, when you record, your amp is usually 100% isolated from any other source of sound. I can tell you from personal experience that your live tone is almost never going to be the exact same tone you used to record. Something to also take into account is the venue it self. The system, the size of the venue, the size and height of the stage. These variables all affect how the audience hears your tone. The human ear responds to midrage frequencies more than the highs and lows of the audible spectrum. Scooped tones you hear on an album probably have more midrange to them than you think. Simply put, IMO I think the aim of this article was to provide some general advice for getting a tone that will be sure cut through the mix. Good hands, and well defined mid range are going to do this. Sure, what sounds good to you might not sound good to everyone else and vice versa. If you don’t like a tone with good mids…that’s cool for you, but at the end of the day…it’s going to be harder to hear and you’ll have to be louder to compensate, which can mud things up. Getting good tone is subjective. Getting a tone to cut through is not subjective. You can’t argue with the physical properties of sound. You’re correct though about this: At the end of the end of the day…trust your ears.

          • bulb

            Wise words my friend! Well said!

        • Tyler Durden

          dude. are you high? the only similarity between miking a cab live and a cab in the studio is that there is a microphone and an amp involved, and you some how have you get the sound somewhere it can be heard. EVERYTHING else is different. in the studio, you have the ability to completely isolate the cab so that the entire sound of the cabinet shines through with very little interference. This signal is then panned hard left or right so that spatially, nothing is interfering with it as well. These are two forms of sound isolation that a studio offers that a live setting doesnt, and This is why a scooped guitar can conceivably fit properly into a mix. [I wish to qualify a "scooped" tone is meant to say that your mid settings are slightly lower than your treble and bass settings (i.e. Bass: 7 Mid: 4 Treble: 6)...not completely absent or a "2" on the scale of ten like some guitarists insist on.]

          In a live setting, the cabinet cannot be completely isolated, so you get various insrument bleeds from bass cabs, other guitar cabs, kick and snare drums etc. nor can it be panned hard left or right because a shadowing effect occurs (the right PA speaker is heard by both ears as is the left PA speaker). Now, your guitar tone is not isolated at all and sounds muddy as all fuck when you throw all of the other elements like drums, bass, vocals into the “mix” so to speak. The only alternate way of getting your guitar to sit well in the mix now is to EQ it in there…aka boost the fuck out of your mids and roll off the lows and highs. In theory, Bass Guitar/Kick should occupy the low end of the spectrum, guitar/snare should span the entire midrange, vocals upper mids, drum overheads represent the high end etc. We haven’t even begun to discuss the acoustics of the room you’re playing in yet, either. thats a whole other issue. Some rooms accentuate certain frequencies and muffle others which then need to be eq’ed to stay uner control. To think that theres a cookie-cutter tone you can use to shine through live (and to expect that tone to be the same from the studio to a live setting, no less) tells me you’ve rarely played in a live environment (or if you have, you’ve done so poorly..r it was your grade 8 talent show with your teacher playing piano so that your guitar had little frequency competition), nor do you have a very discriminating ear for the way music sounds. Bulb has given some great advice in this article that few guitarists (like yourself, as it appears) consider when preparing playing live. Say all you want about his band and his preference for amps and/or use of technology, Periphery sounds phenomenal live. Every bit of their music is audible, which is no small feat when you’re playing in venues with shitty acoustics.

          Oh PS, what you described is not Ironic at all. It would be ironic if they had selected someone to write a article about “tweaking your live tone” when they do not play live shows. (Like a member of the Alan Parson’s Project, for example). It would also be ironic if they had chosen someone to comment on “the importance of midrange frequencies” when they used a cabinet custom-made to scoop the mids out (like Dino Cazares). Just FYI. should probably brush up on your english theory while you’re improving your mixing techniques.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Yu/2207107 David Yu

    Great article!

  • Adam

    Very interesting. I’ve been told countless times by different people that mids are a guitarist’s best friend but I’ve always hated them because I find they tend to fuzz out the tone way too much. Like to my ears mids = lofi cause it smears the auditory clarity of the tone. So I’m a scooper all the way. Luckily I’ve not had to play live so I haven’t had to deal with that issue. If I ever do I’ll keep this in mind.

    Cool article Misha. I look forward to more posts like this.

  • Anselmowitz

    Good to see you got your own column @ metalsucks Mischa, well written to boot. Dig your band & your tone dude – looking forward to more articles & your Australian tour with Dillinger, you guys have finally made it.

  • uLy

    Wow, metalsucks just keeps getting worse and worse. They have this fucking kid trying to talk about tone and live situations? WTF. The kid that went from using his PODXT to expensive gear with a bunch of gimmicky pedal routings in order to sound as solid state as possible then to finally jump to an AxeFX solid state situation where he can essentially maintain that PODXT djent djent sound without looking like a douchebag?

    FUCK this kid and fuck his band. If this toolbag is the future of metal i’m out.

    • Zee

      Yeah fuck him and his blasphemous digital technology. He should use sacred ’59 strat and an 80 year old amp with tubes extracted from a soviet submarine. Who cares if he’s a good guitarist and songwriter, his rig is WRONG!1

    • hahah

      lmao @ this insignificant nobody. nothing else needed to be said

      • meshusikthescapeherophery

        so what’s your idea of “metal”, uLy? I’d really love to know.

        Misha is a fantastic player/composer/engineer. Don’t let the jealousy eat you alive. Ulcers are a terrible thing.

        GET THE PERIPHERY DISC/DOWNLOAD TODAY

  • Mike D

    The BBE Sonic Maximizer actually delays your mids and your highs by microseconds so that the wavelengths are sent out at the roughly the same speed as the bass tone, thus making your sound fuller. You can then adjust the amount of the tone (bass, mid/treb) on the unit. Your tone is still totally in the amp and your hands.

    However tone is definitely all up to the user.

    For example, Slayer’s tone use more midrange because of the way they play. If you had any more bass the notes would sound like double bass knee slaps on a Impaled Northern Moonforest track. It also helps the rhythm parts stick out more during solos, thus splitting the tone between Tom (bass), and Jeff and Kerry (mid and high, depending on who is soloing).

    Metallica on the other hand uses scoped midrange because the bass tone (at least on albums after the Black album) uses more of the midrange frequency, which makes it sounds smoother and full on record and in the live setting. This is also the way most metal bands record these days since bass players are actually playing more than just the root notes of songs.

    A good example is Between the Buried and Me. I site this only because their bass player actually uses the entire fretboard during most of their songs. Obscura is another great example, without the heavy production though. If part of the midrange wasn’t utilized, you wouldn’t know what the hell they were doing.

  • Ichorus

    Great article Misha,

    If you could write an article about how you get the best out of recording.
    Obviously your opinion and maybe some key “rules” to making sure you have a full sound. Maybe even tips on using live drums. I find I can get a great mix using Toontrack but when its live drums the guitar tone does not have the same presence and it can even affect the vocals.

    I am lucky I can get a good tone with a lack of knowledge.
    Hopefully with some more info I can understand it a little better.

    PS
    Racecar 5:57-6:10 awesome vocals there.

  • Superior Smith

    Great column! I definately agree with Misha, mids are so important when it comes to guitar tone. There’s too many people with the attitude of “scoop the mids” when it comes to distorted tones. Anyone struggling with a live tone should also think about getting a tubescreamer like the maxon OD-808, that really helps to tighten up the bottom end and help the mid-ranges sing out.

    Again great column Misha – keep them coming and get your ass over to the UK wih Periphery ASAP, theres plenty of people over here who would love to see you guys!

  • Andres(DR)

    hey bulb i completely agree with you, i see soo many local bands scoop the hell out of their mids. Im sitting there watching them play and all i can hear is sizzle its terrible, PEOPLE PLZ USE MID RANGE. Now on the BBE sonic maximizer im a fan of it both recording and live. I do understand that it does take some mid range out but it gives the amp a little better note definition, so to compensate i just set the process low. I love your album tone as well. Tubes are GREAT but some digital/solid state sounds can be good. Technology is so advanced now days that the modeling is getting so realistic. Meshuggah uses Vetta 2 live and they have awesome live tone, the tone is so consistent and good sounding, why not? People who say your album tone is terrible must have either A. Have Shitting listening device(headphones/speakers) B. Or Shitty Ears. And dont listen to those fucking retards who give Spencer shit. People now days dont aprreciate good vocal melodies/harmonies and a great range. He is a great vocal range and it should be much appreciated. Also… I cant stop listening to the album, its amazing!!!

  • Furkin

    I love how internet “Bad asses” go out of their way to go to a column and leave nasty comments. why waste your time? I mean if you hate the band/person so much what the hell are you doing reading up on them? I wouldn’t t be caught dead on a nickelback forum trying to talk shit about them, you should be embarrassed about finding sites on bands you hate and obsessing over them. your opinions and your music will rott in your parents basement where they began. and leave the name calling and shit talking for the real world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Boyd/1682490002 Tom Boyd

    BBE gives you more gain, which on most amps, causes a more harsh sound. BBE’s can do wonders for live tone, if you crank the gain down on your amp, and set the highs at 5 on the bbe and the lows on about 3. dime the treble and bass, and set the lows at 5. thats plus a TS 9 makes my head sound real good, and i have a shitty valve king

  • metalcell

    hey misha, thanks for the tips! ive never realized ive been making this mistake haha.

    i just had one question – my band has two guitarists, how do you fit both of them into the mix? i know its good to crank the mids on both guitars if u want them to sound good but wouldn’t it sound too muddy if both guitars are mid heavy??