JUMPING DARKNESS PARADE: EYAL ASSERTS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO EMBRACE THE ONLINE PURCHASING OF MUSIC

Friday, April 30th, 2010 at 4:30pm by

Have you guys noticed how hard it is to find your favorite new metal releases in Best Buy, FYE, or any of the other big chains that are still remaining? Have you noticed that with few exceptions, bands that are used to posting respectable sales numbers are now selling fractions of what they used to? They still do great at shows. They still sell tons of merch. Everyone has their albums. Their fanbases don’t seem to be diminished. What the fuck is going on?

It’s a combination of things. Everyone knows that the market for purchasing CDs is way down. I don’t remember the exact figure, but believe me, it’s WAY down. This has caused many larger chains, like Tower, to become strictly online operations. I remember the days when going to Tower Records in any given city was always great, because they were huge and had amazing selection. Gone. Virgin is on the way out as well. The one in Paris is still kicking, but didn’t the mega store in New York City close down? [Both of the ones in NYC closed down last year. -Ed.]

With larger chains biting the dust, you can only imagine what this has done to mom and pop record stores. They’re dropping like flies. The ones that are still in business are hanging on by the skin of their teeth. Right now, we’ve got a marketplace that has somewhere in the range of 40 – 50 % of the retail outlets it had only three years ago. So there’s a very limited amount of options for a CD to even be stocked. That’s one thing. Here’s the other thing. Big retailers are not interested in stocking metal releases unless there’s a guarantee of X amount of sales. For instance, if Best Buy can’t move 2,000 units of a given release in the first week they won’t stock it. This doesn’t affect the more successful bands, but what does this mean for bands that are still coming up? If Best Buy wont carry it, and most stores are R.I.P., then where do you go to get music by bands you love who aren’t necessarily huge?

In my opinion people need to embrace online ordering. Often times ordering from the band themselves will get you a better price than going to retail. There’s a stigma about ordering online, but honestly, I think that the stigma is something that was created years ago when ordering online was a bit more of a shady proposition. I believe that things have changed, because the market has forced it to change. Online music retailers HAVE to have their shit together because they realize that they are the future of selling music.

So I say this to music buyers. If you want to buy a CD by whatever artist, call the store you’re thinking of going to in advance. Make sure they have it. Don’t just rely on them having it, because most likely they won’t. The limited shelf space that’s left for physical CDs is being used for “sure bet” sales. If you’ve called the stores you want to go to and they don’t have it, just bite the bullet and order it online. There are plenty of reputable options like iTunes, Amazon, CM Distro, The Omega Order (The End Records), etc. Those of us on the music side of the fence can sit here and cry about it until we’re blue in the face, but this is reality. The days of selling a ton of CDs in stores are pretty much over, with the exception of some very huge artists. It’s best to accept reality and the evolution of music.

Same goes for the record buying public though. Is there a point in driving to every Best Buy in your area for a CD they just won’t carry? It would be best to inform yourself of who, if anyone, is even carrying the album you want. Most likely, nobody will be. Ordering music online really isn’t so bad. I have to say that I buy at least thirty albums a year on iTunes now.

Have you guys noticed any of what I’m talking about? Ever gone to store after store and not found what you’re looking for? What did you end up doing after exhausting all the options in your town?

-EL

Speaking of ordering CDs online: Levi/Werstler’s debut album, Avalanche of Worms, is out on Magna Carta, and you can order a copy here. You can also follow the project on MySpace and Facebook. Daath hit the studio next month; their new album will tentatively be out in October.

  • Lordassenfroth

    there used to be a cd warehouse in plano, tx that had an AMAZING metal section, pretty much the only reason the store existed, they carried pop cds but you could find anything in the metal section from grind to hardcore to death and black metal, but regardless of me buying a cd there every chance i got it shut down. The internet has become the only way to get metal albums, for me its not about embracing it, its about either excepting it or going without.

    • TonyT

      The CD warehouse off of 75? As far as I knew it was still open. :/ Also I love their slogan: “The Future Of Music” hahaha.

    • sYgnal

      Being a fan of the Fusion / Prog side of Metal (Not the Metal with fucking keyboards that sounds like DT) I had to resort to getting my CDs online quite some time ago especially if you want the cool shit from other countries. I would prefer being able to download the music as opposed to having the CD shipped but I cannot stand Mp3s! I would never spend the same amount on an Mp3 album that I could on an actual CD. That would be retarded. Now if they offered FLAC or APE downloads with some nice high res digital art, that would be freaking awesome! Yes, I am a bit of an audiophile. Hell, if you spent a decent amount on a sweet system you wouldn’t want to hear that compressed garbage either. Plus, I use WMA 9.2 on my Zune.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Long/100000144612811 Mike Long

    Exactly, I hate it whenever someone shits on me for not buying physical copies of albums. I would always take a physical copy over a digital one, but I (I’m 16 with no driver’s license) never have the means to go to FYE or Best Buy, where there even might not be the album I was looking for in the first place.

    P.S. It is a crime that there is only one Death album on iTunes

    • >_>

      That is a crime, which one is on there?

      • guey

        Probably either Symbolic or Sound of Perserverance

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Long/100000144612811 Mike Long

          It’s Symbolic

  • Rob

    In Massachusetts/Rhode Island (maybe the rest of NE) we’re lucky enough to have Newbury Comics which has a decent selection of music. It’s one of those stores that sits on the fence of a mom & pop store while still being a somewhat big chain for the area. They have a metal section which usually has new releases for tons of bands (but older releases typically only for more popular ones). I’ve been there this year to buy quite a few new releases for bands I just got into, but they never have older albums, so it’s a give and take. Plus new CDs are $10. I’m actually heading there today to try to pick up Avalanche of Worms if they carry it; otherwise, like you said, I’m gonna have to order it online.

    FYE has a somewhat decent selection of metal, but their prices are disgusting.

    Hot Topic has, along with boatloads of garbage, seemingly the entire Sumerian Records catalog, and good prices too. Went there to pick up Periphery last week and it was $9; other albums when browsing were in the $12 range.

    • gojirasaurus

      FYE sells the albums for about 17$ right? I? know that its been around 2 years since ive been in one

    • SP420

      Newbury Comics is sick. Only store I actually find myself excited to browse the CD racks.

    • slowmotion

      Yeah, Newbury Comics rocks, and there is a location 5 minutes from where I work so I do generally pick up physical copies of most metal CDs I buy while I’m on my lunch break these days. Sometimes they don’t carry the smaller labels though, they failed me when I went looking for the Sons of Aurelius CD a couple weeks ago.

      What I don’t buy at Newbury Comics I tend to buy from Amazon. I tend to buy mp3s from them unless I like the band enough then I’ll buy the physical CD so I can play it in my car. For out-of-print stuff there’s often a 3rd party seller on amazon selling a physical CD for a reasonable price (and also a bunch of assholes trying to gouge ridiculous prices who I refuse to buy from). By doing this I’ve got turned onto a few good 3rd party sellers on amazon that I’ll probably buy direct from in the future, Deepsend Records comes to mind as a good one who are coincidentally from Boston as well.

    • Johnny Death

      The Newbury Comics in Portland has a great metal selection. I picked up both the new periphery album and Brian Posehn for 7.99 each. Also they carry indie comics that other comic shops don’t carry. We also have Bull Moose music up here and they seem to be doing quite well also. I think most of the people that go to these stores are also the kind of people that wouldn’t think of buying a cd from your best buy or FYE based on the quality customer service and overall appeal of NC or BM compared to the mega-chain stores. Last time i went to FYE was to get tickets to see Killswitch engage and I had to wait 30 minutes to get tickets because only one guy in the store knew how to do it and he was on his lunch break.

      • Johnny Death

        When i went to get tickets to see clutch and danko jones at bull moose i was in and out within 5 minutes. So those guys are doing something right in my eyes.

    • Scourge441

      Newbury Comics is pretty legit. If you live in or around Amherst, then every year the UMass campus radio station holds a music sale in the student union building with a whole bunch of CDs and vinyl. They just had it last week and I picked up a whole bunch of good stuff, including some promo releases of albums.

      Otherwise, I’ve been ordering online for a while. And since we’re seeing a lot more underground/unsigned bands getting exposure via the internet (Cormorant are an example that should hit home for most of you), it’s the only option most of the time.

  • Dysenteric

    I’ve been buying all my CDs and vinyl from labels’ distros and stores online since I was 17. I don’t remember when I last walked into a HMV to buy music.

    As far as metal goes, I don’t see the point of stocking the CDs in store, especially when 99% of the CDs are of commercialised cack. HMV stores have to pad the shelves out with punk-pop and what-have-you.

  • http://www.theatomicbombaudition.com Alee Karim

    I’m in SF. I can stumble down to Aquarius Records or Amoeba in minutes but if I want something NOW, it’s just simpler to get it via iTunes. If for some reason I want the physical copy, I try to find it used via Amoeba or Aquarius. If it’s something relatively obscure or local or it’s about that time and I just really want to be supportive of mom and pop-age and/or get it vinyl, I will go to Aquarius. I like browsing in both stores still and I will get something I’ve been meaning to get if I see it there.

  • gojirasaurus

    I went to Target yesterday to get new headphones and saw two “slots” on the shelf labbled “Clutch- Strange Cousins from the West”. I smiled when i saw there was only one copy left. If i had the money to i would have bought the last one, but im glad there was at least 10 other people who did and someone in management who liked them enough to stock that many copies.

  • Spanky

    Yeah this is true, not too long ago I went to go get Bleeding Throughs new cd (fuck off, I like them) and they didn’t even have it at Hot Topic! Hell, I still can’t even find AGATGs most recent! And those 2 bands I mentioned are somewhat known, well, at least Hot Topic known

  • Permafrost

    I work part-time at a small metal cd/record store… People know we exist and how bad-ass our selection is, plus we do mail order… http://www.scraperecords.com/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alexandre-Perrault/545955672 Alexandre Perrault

    Ever since I got a credit card, I’ve exclusively purchased from online retailers. The fastest service comes from your regional Amazon, eBay’s great for rarities, and between Relapse and the End you should be able to find anything. Very rarely do CDs exceed 15$, while at a store they’re upwards of 20$. Even with shipping, you’re better off going through the online sources. The only danger is improper packaging, and that is a pain sometimes. I have managed to find a nice regional store, but it’s out of the way. HMV suck, and I’m glad they’re dying.

  • SourDeez

    As much as I love the convenience of the iTunes store, I miss the shit out of Tower Records. It feels like an eternity ago when I would regularly walk across town to the Tower on Broadway and 4th street, with my CD PLAYER on me because I knew I was gonna pick up something badass and I didn’t want to wait the 5 minutes it took to walk back home. The last time I did that, I believe I was 16. Damn, 5 years. RIP.

    • g man

      That was a great store ! We used to go there for import singles back in the day , the had a great selection, there and Bleeker Bob’s ( last visit there it was on it’s last legs unfortunately )

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Winnett/504952291 Daniel Winnett

    Living in Belgium there are a suprising ammount of large chain stores (Fnac and Media Markt being the big ones) that still carry metal CDs. I know in those stores I’ve picked up albums by Arsis, Marduk, SWWAATS, Kataklysm, Deicide, The Acacia Strain aswell as having seen them stocking albums by Daath, Immolation, Dimmu Borgir, Rotting Christ…
    If not there are two metal-centric record stores within walking distance that each have a shitton of albums available. One is distincly more black metal oriented and contains loads of potential candidates for unreadable logo of the week.

    But yes when needs be Amazon is a good place to order, I have picked up a lot from there. It seems over here people are still into getting the physical product more so than in other countries and it’s good to see. I love my CD collection (going on 170 now) and I love having the CD and the artwork.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Winnett/504952291 Daniel Winnett

      I also notice people complaining about prices at over 15$ being too high. Over here it’s expected that a new release will be somewhere around 20€-25€ (around 30$).

      • evilfatguy

        Yeah, up here in Canada, it’s a steal to see a CD going for $15. Most times, in places like BB, HMV, Virgin, etc., it’s not uncommon to see CD’s selling for $23-$30.
        That’s why I do all of my metal shopping at Scrape records on E Broadway in Vancouver.
        Or Amazon.ca.

      • http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/ ECDEU

        AND, THAT is why I quit buying CDs and started to download for free. If you guys remember from Arthur von Nagel’s post, the bands usually don’t make crap from records sales. The only reason I would ever buy anything from a band is to support their art and CDs is not the way anymore.

        • Karl J

          I never really understand this logic. You supposedly want to support a band, but won’t buy an album where they at least make *some* revenue. Even if a band only makes, say, $3.00 from a CD, but 10,000 of us buy it nationwide, then at least the band can pay some gas money for their next tour, or pay some rent on their rehersal space. I agree that a CD purchase isn’t the best, nor most efficient way to support a band, but it’s SOMETHING. What is your alternative plan to support a band, particularly one that maybe never visits your town on tour?

          Just admit to being cheap and self-centered and stop rationalizing your behavior with stupid, tired arguments.

        • RebelPyro

          I agree with Karl. Kids these days are retarded enough to think that the labels are keeping royalties from bands or something (not all labels are like Trustkill and Victory). And Bands are fucking retarded and continuously fucking themselves by perpetuating the lie that they don’t make shit off cd’s. The part they forget to tell you is that the label just acted like a bank and loaned them 8 to 10 thousand fucking dollars to make their piece of shit album, buy a tour van, get new gear, or something along those lines.

          So, I guess you as a fan, think that the label just gives that money to the band as a ‘favor’ because they took it upon themselves to sign said band, right? Wrong. That money has to be recouped somehow, and cd sales is where it comes from. Or in 360 deals, it comes from everything (ticket sales, merch, etc). One way or another, the label has to get paid back for that ‘loan’ before the band sees any revenue from that cd (except for what they sell on the road).

          And again, same question Karl posed… if you don’t buy the cd, and you happen to live in an area that doesn’t get many or any shows, how the hell do you support the bands you claim to like/love??

          Once the band sells enough cd’s and pays off their debt, they actually DO make some cash from it. How much depends on how many of you leech fucks actually drop cash to buy it.

          How many young bands broke up in 2009 because they just couldn’t afford to do it anymore? Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for that one. You helped destroy every one of them…

          • Alex_P

            This. I do download for free (promo and … alternative), but I consider it to be a loan. I’ll repay the band in some form, and eventually buy the CD.

          • Discipleofthewatch

            We need to support the bands we love, however we can. I bought cds and t-shirts from Arsis and Mutiny within recently, and they were selling their own products at their tables.

            If you couldn’t attend the show and get that kind of great service (and autographs) the next best thing would be to order the cds online from Amazon.

    • Isaac

      I keep getting more reasons to live in Europe. You just gave me another.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Dasher/30826541 Matt Dasher

    The fact that retail stores have a limited selection is why I embrace mail order. I’m more likely to find a digipak which is less likely to break and the additional shipping and handling cost doesn’t bother me since I know that most of my money is going towards the record label instead of a retail chain. I also predict the rise of downloadable video games. The Mac Version of Dragon Age is currently download only and it still sells since it’s the only big name Mac title in years.

  • Hibernum

    ????

    People buy CDs at stores? I am an old curmudgeon and I have been exclusive to online CD buying since about 2002. Help me out here, does anyone shop at brick and mortar CD stores?

  • http://www.last.fm/user/M60Patton Patton

    I tend to order my CDs online, call be old fashioned but I still prefer to have a physical CD on my shelf.

  • Chainsword

    I tunes is my drug of choice. The selection is great. Though some of the more rare old stuff is unavalable, you can find it elsewhere. I got Nuclear Assault’s ‘Handle With Care’ album used and in perfect condition on amazon for under $20 (shipping included).

    The last time I bought an album from a physical store, was when Mastodon’s ‘Leviathan’ came out.

  • Shinaain

    “Have you guys noticed how hard it is to find your favorite new metal releases…” Continuing on to qualify that question was unnecessary, as the answer was already an emphatic YES. And I’ve been stewing on this subject a bit of late, as well.

    Mom-and-pop record stores have contributed a lot to my life and their prolonged collective death makes me sad. I still support the indie chain in my town, but I can’t always afford their prices when they have to special order something for me. I do still try to give them the chance to take my business, though.

    The last few months have seen a forced adjustment in my attitude toward this subject, mostly especially in regards to metal releases. While I still prefer to have a physical copy, practicality prevails more and more often these days – for many of the same reasons you discussed above, Eyal. But for my part, I’m still underwhelmed at the selection available on iTunes, Amazon, etc. Even with non-metal artists, iTunes lets me down. For example, I went on a huge Jim Croce kick recently and iTunes had ten greatest hits albums, all with the same songs, and only a few of his full-length releases. It seems as though not even well-established, current metal acts have much of a chance at getting stocked. They’re lucky if the store carries ONE copy of their best-selling album, let alone a selection of their complete discography. I’ve been checking out back catalogs from artists like Cynic, Meshuggah, Opeth, etc., and even for those artists the pickings are pretty slim from the major retailers – online or otherwise.

    Aside from Eyal’s links above, who has recommendations for other online retailers with respectable metal selections? I read about one in Hails & Horns (or was it BW&BK?) and the owner posted here once, but I’ve since lost the link. Who do y’all use?

  • Nick

    hmm. My local record stores seem to be doing just fine, and in fact one just opened a new branch, devoted strictly to vinyl (vinyl is genius for physical retailers, because it can’t be replaced by a digital substitute, since the very purpose of vinyl is to be analogue.) I stop by both stores in my ton at least once a week, and they never seem to be in too much trouble. Maybe it’s just because I live in a college town.

  • http://metallattorney.blogspot.com Metallattorney

    A few years back I moved from my hometown of Lincoln, Nebraska to a very small town a couple of hours away. The new town had no music stores at all. It was at that time that I did embrace online ordering. I could get anything I wanted that way and didn’t have to wait until I was back in Lincoln to find anything. Last year, my favorite independent record store closed its last store in Lincoln which made the online thing even more necessary. When I was in high school, there were three of those stores in Lincoln, not even ten years later they were all gone. There’s still two in Omaha, but there used to be five or six up there. It’s sad really. Places like Best Buy and F.Y.E. don’t have the same feel.

  • max

    The only reason to go to a physical record store is to find something you aren’t explicitly looking for. Just picking through the CDs available, you’re sure to find something interesting based on the band name or cover art alone. I think that is still a valuable experience because it involves taking a risk. It’s not as fun to buy something you already know from sampling it on the internet.

    Otherwise, if you are trying to find a specific record, it is WAY easier to order it online.

    Also, online retail hasn’t been shady since like 2000 unless you’re buying stuff from the farthest reaches of the ‘net.

    • Alex_P

      Last time I went to a record store, it was a small place. I wanted Cynic’s Focus like, now, man. They didn’t have it, but they did have Opeth’s the Candlelight Years and both Priestess albums. Their copy of Hello Master was the original Canadian digi which features the band’s beautiful faces.

      http://dawn.cbcr3.com/nmc/16/16688/Images/hello-master.jpg

  • g man

    I will check Best Buy on the way home from work , other wise I buy cd’s online or go to Generation Records in NYC .

  • GoingDeaf?

    My music consumption is completely online at this point. I prefer the quality of CD’s, but a well encoded mp3 at 320mbps is pretty negligible in sound quality unless you’re listening with high-end reference monitors. I live in an apartment and don’t have the want or need for more clutter in the form of CDs. I’m starting to get into vinyl a bit, but that will be for special releases only.

    I use Emusic to get 50 downloads a month…. 3-4 albums a month is more than enough music to give proper attention to. Anything that emusic doesn’t carry, or I want before my downloads refresh I get from Amazon.

    I do miss the good ol’ days of browsing in record stores and taking a chance on an album I’ve never heard before. A lot of money was wasted in the past, but quite a few gems were found as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

    I’m lucky to have an Independent record store down the road that sometimes stocks what I’m looking for (I don’t even bother going to Best Buy etc). If I can’t find it anywhere, I normally just order it from the band/label’s website, or possibly some other kind of online retailer.

    I very rarely buy records in digital format, I just prefer to have a copy on my shelf instead.

    • Alex_P

      I won’t pay for digital. I know that there’s a certain extent to which that’s “wrong”, but if I’m paying for an album I’m paying to have a physical product in my hands, either vinyl or CD (usually CD). I don’t feel like I actually “own” digital files; I just use them for convenience. I’ve downloaded freely, legally and illegally, but I will remedy the ills in due time.

  • yetzer hara

    personally, i’ll buy cd’s directly from bands if their online stores are up and functioning. the relapse store has tons of stuff, so does http://www.stonerrock.com. if neither relapse or all that’s heavy has what i want, i’ll go to the individual record label and order it from them.

    although the best thing to do is to buy the cd’s from the merch tables at shows. bands get a bigger cut (sometimes 100%) of the price you pay, and let’s face it, the biggest reason we buy music instead of getting it for free is to support the bands.

  • Kelly

    I buy most of my CDs from Amazon including Avalalanche Of Worms and Sevendust’s Cold Day Memory just last week.

  • Meathead

    Just steal cars instead. Then download the pirated contents of their mp3 player. Drive the car to Lars Ulrich’s house, take a dump on his balcony, and wipe your ass with the Armenian flag.

  • erik

    Who has time to go to real stores? I spend all my time on the internet. Who spends 20 dollars on a CD in the USA? I’ve never spent more than 10 bucks.

  • Anthony

    In Canada (or at least in Southern Ontario), the two big CD/DVD retailers (other than Future Shop, Wal Mart, Best Buy, etc.) are HMV and Sunrise Records. They have big standalone stores in downtown Toronto, but in suburban areas around the GTA at least they’re mostly in malls. They do pretty well since none of them have been closed down to my knowledge. They both have a decent metal selection in terms of variety of bands, but never seem to carry more than 1-2 copies unless it’s a huge release. I’d like to say it differs depending on the record label, but they carried a shitload of copies of Megadeth’s Endgame and not necessarily the last Cradle of Filth release (then again CoF just left RR, so that could have had something to do with it). Nevertheless, i’ve picked up albums from the likes of Dark Tranquillity, Kataklysm, Chimaira, Unearth, Scar Symmetry, Katatonia, and other what I like to call “midstream” metal bands.

    Another thing that helps Sunrise records is that most if not all of their locations have a ticketmaster outlet so you can buy and pick up concert tickets. I’m sure that can only help sales of CDs and DVDs in the “what the hell, i’m already here, why not browse to see what they have”

    • Alex_P

      Midstream is an excellent term. Mind if I use it?

      • Anthony

        It’s already yours.

    • BradleyShallRot

      You get 10% off an item when you pick up tickets too…very smart first time I found that out I went searching because…well why not? I want the album anyway so I might as well pick it up for cheaper.

      Also, the Sunrise near my house has a little metal sale section, the name of which I can’t remember. Anyway they have some smaller-ish bands there like Absu, Immolation, 1349, etc.

  • Jonathan

    I just… can’t buy CDs online. I need the goddamn plastic case in my hands, and I need to stick that shit into the CD player in my car and appreciate my good purchase. I get distracted at the computer. I click on so many damn links (thank god for tabs) that I just can’t listen to music because I just won’t be able to absorb it and appreciate it like I can during a good drive.

    Buying CDs online may be the way of the future… but that doesn’t mean I can’t order the physical copy from websites either. Digital copies are bullshit. iTunes doesn’t care what you bought. If your pc crashes, they make you buy it all over again. Corporate assholes. It’s why I like my CDs in a tangible format.

  • TVTiZtiK

    While agree with just about everything said here I still have pretty good luck with Zia Records stocking just about every new release. Zia is the shit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evan-Matrick/657985201 Evan Matrick

    I just buy cds/records directly from the labels. Occasionally from Insound.com too if I can get a good deal. Not a single record store in my city got the new Kayo Dot album when it came out. None of them even had it on order… I think I’m just gonna have to give up on trying to buy albums on their release dates.

  • mo biscuits

    wanted the warbeast cd on tues. so i strolled into best buy…nadda. called the local mom and pop they ordered it, got it today. only drawback was that usually a cd is discounted on release day to boost first week sales numbers. by the way that album is quite dandy

  • http://www.myspace.com/thestarsthrewdowntheirspears Tim

    The only place near me where I could find the The Great Misdirect or Axe To Fall was Hot Topic.

  • Cody

    There’s a local record store near me that will order the CD you want for you, Once they get it in, they’ll call you and you go pay for it. When I don’t do that or they can’t find it online, I go to either yourmusic.com or eBay,

  • Slaughterhouse

    My local FYE actually still carries tons of metal releases. I actually just got the new periphery album there. They didn’t have Animals as Leaders but they were expecting one to come in any time soon.

  • C Frazier

    My heart imploded when the Virgin in Times Square closed. I’m scared of buying from iTunes. I need a physical copy…. and artwork.

    • Alex_P

      Don’t buy off of iTunes.

      http://shop.relapse.com/
      http://www.theomegaorder.com/
      http://www.bluecollardistro.com/hydrahead/categories.php?cPath=4

      I personally like Relapse. Your regional Amazon works too.

      • a.

        Ha! That last link at Hydra Head has CASSETTES! awesome….ordering xasthur tapes now.

    • Ryan

      what’s even shittier about Virgin closing was that they weren’t even going out of business. I worked at the one in orlando, and it had it’s second best year the last full year it was open, and a fucking real estate company decided to shut down the whole chain to rent out the retail space in time’s square.

      i totally miss all the ridiculous releases they got in. most of the metal was priced pretty reasonable as well.

  • Marcus

    Eyal,

    do you know of any record stores in Manhattan that sell Avalanche of Worms? I’m from Sweden, but my buddy is going to NYC the coming week and I asked him to pick up your album for me. He was planning to go to Virgin Megastore, but if that’s closed…

    • Eyal Levi

      Hey Marcus,

      Here are places in NY that I know carry the CD

      J & R Electronics Inc.
      23 Park Row New York NY 10038

      Akj Records West Babylon NY 11704

      I’m sure there’s some others but that’s what I know of

  • JRTME

    The price point buying A CD online ends up being too high. So that’s why I don’t often just buy one CD online. The only way it makes sense is when I’m going to buy 3 or 4. The problem is the model is wrong. If you would make all CDs 9.99 and your downloads 7.99. You would move more. (this is directed at the industry). There is a store near where I live that makes all their single disk CDs 9.99. They always have people in that store buying CDs. CDs are only dying cause they don’t want to change the model.

  • Mugroar

    I’ve embraced online ordering almost exclusively for years now. I have my handful of sites to check for a certain band, and most times, they are of the “not that well known” kind. TheOmegaOrder is my first place to check (due to their extremely agreeable prices and free shipping, not to mention that my order normally arrives 3-5 days after I hit the “send order” button). I also check Amazon, because even if they don’t have an item, a seller may have it for a reasonable price. Also, I can see online if I’m buying the most “updated” version – I’ve bought a couple CDs in a physical store in the past only to go online to Amazon to look it up to read reviews, and see that they have a remastered edition with bonus tracks for $1 more than what I paid for the one I’m holding in my hand. Dammit.

    But yes, online ordering is THE way to go – you can’t beat the selection!

  • (required)

    Seriously? Maybe it’s just because I live in BFE and there is generally NO chance of finding any metal releases locally, but this whole topic seems like old-hat. Are there really people who haven’t embraced online ordering? The only ones I know are those that have embraced online “borrowing” instead. I think we’ve actually stumbled on an area where rural areas are on the cutting edge. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got to go hitch up the mule.

    • Eyal Levi

      I thought it was old hat too but we get e-mails every day asking telling us that people went to 4 Best Buys in their area and could find the disc. This happened on the last DAATH as well. The amount of e-mails I get about this leads me to believe that it’s not old hat for everyone.

      • Shinaain

        Indeed. Call me provincial, but I’M only just now relenting and getting on board with online downloading. Eyal covered the reasons already: security, tangible product, technology, etc.

        It’s interesting to me that you would say that, (required). If you’re living in a rural area where the Internet is good enough to zip through music files, then it would appear that you’re in an unusual area. Most of the people I know who live in rural areas are living large if they have better options than just dial-up. And goof on rural and/or technologically unsophisticated music-buyers all you want: for the time being (or until high-speed Internet becomes widely available in rural areas), country is very nearly the only genre of music in which the artists aren’t scrambling quite so hard to make ends meet precisely BECAUSE their fanbase generally hasn’t been so quick to embrace online downloading – legal or otherwise. Once they do, country will be hurting just as bad as everyone else.

        • paganheart

          I think the people who don’t yet order or download online fall into one of three groups: 1) Kids who don’t have a credit card, PayPal or checking account of their own (essential for online business) and can’t/won’t ask mom and dad if they can use theirs, because they don’t want to put up with the ration of shit they’d get; 2) people who think that if they use their credit card online some cyber-criminal will rob them of every last cent they have (or people like my crazy neighbor who think the internet is a government plot to take over our brains); or 3) people who can’t afford or don’t have access to high-speed internet (it is impossible to download on dial-up.) I agree with what you say about Country; I suspect that if you look at country fans, many of them fall into one of these groups. I suspect if you look at the genres that are still selling a lot of CDs, most of their fans fall into one of these categories, and in the case of christian music I would also suspect that you find people who take that “thou shalt not steal” thing very seriously and therefore don’t do any illegal downloading. (BTW I don’t believe in illegal downloading either because it is the online equivalient of shoplifting; I wouldn’t steal a CD from a store, I’m not going to steal one online. It rips off artists and in the end raises the costs for all of us ***end of rant***)

        • Eyal Levi

          The older the fanbase, the more likely they are to buy physical CDs

          • paganheart

            That too. Good point.

  • Dysenteric

    As for physical vs digital product, I’d rather have the full album experience: artwork, lyrics and other bits. Digital files are just files sitting on my hard drive. I only download for free if the artist has put the files up for that reason (eg Demilich, Cephalectomy, Biolich etc.)

    I don’t think CDs are on the way out yet, but major chains and local stores are.

    • Dysenteric

      I’ve been buying all my CDs and vinyl from labels’ distros and stores online since I was 17. I don’t remember when I last walked into a HMV to buy music.

      As far as metal goes, I don’t see the point of stocking the CDs in store, especially when 99% of the CDs are of commercialised cack. HMV stores have to pad the shelves out with pop-punk and emocore and what-have-you. No wonder no-one takes notice.

    • Geetarz

      Major Chairs and Local Stores are going because CD’s aren’t selling. The internet yet a great tool is killing the local and big chains.

  • Geetarz

    The hard copy or physical music experience is nearly dead. Nobody cares about the physical cd or booklet anymore. Yeah its great to have cover art to put it to your itunes files but honestly nobody gives a shit anymore. If you’re into vinyl, its great and the quality is way better than cd. But even thats a small crowd in itself so is it even worth it to make a hard physical copy for people to buy? IMHO, I don’t think so. More than likely its gonna be downloaded illegally anyways, sold on itunes, or whatever digital site. Regardless, lets face the facts. Bands don’t make shit off of album sales anyways unless you’re a band with a huge following. Bands like Daath, and the countless others in the metal community have to basically give their shit away so that its heard and the money they make is off of merch or ticket sales. It might not be much, but it works and you’ve got to love playing music to be able to live on it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Morley/618112437 William Morley

    If I really want the physical product then I’ll buy it from the label or band but normally I just hit up iTunes.

  • King Cheezit

    When I went to Best Buy to get the new Gojira album, I had an interesting experience as well. Only reason I felt I could go to Best Buy is because I bought From Mars To Sirius from there when I was introduced to them on the Lamb of God tour. I walked in and of course, The Way of All Flesh wasn’t on the shelf but there were a few FMTS albums. I went and asked the kid who worked in the section if they had the album in the back maybe? He went and checked and brought out a box to stack all of them ont he shelf where they belonged…I had to literally tell the kid to bring out the album that belonged on the shelf. No one in the stores cares anymore, it seems, about even trying to help the situation! They just clock in and watch people browse the aisles, just to find nothing.

  • Shinaain

    I’m a little confused at the new format, and why many of our posts aren’t showing up with a “reply” option. But this is in response to King Cheezit:

    WTF?? And to think, I never ask because any time you ever ask any retail employee (if they’re not selling shoes, that is) about stock in the back, they always say, “All that we have is already on the shelves.”

    Well that just pisses me off.

  • Anthony

    I haven’t embrace online ordering yet because I can still download music for free and do it legally (as long as I don’t share with others. Yay Canadian piracy laws). I still buy physical CDs all the time. I’m only (or not only?) 21, and my CD collection is somewhere around 130 (That’s the equivalent to like, what? 500 or so in 1995?). I’m the type of person who either buys it legally from a store, or download a digital copy for free. I’m sure if the government finds a way to wipe out illegal/”legal free” downloading for good and are able to consistently catch people, then i’ll probably embrace online ordering, as long as I can still get a physical copy. I have no problem waiting 2-3 days later for that.

  • paganheart

    I’ve been ordering the bulk of my music online since 2002, and I wouldn’t have it any other way at this point. You can shop in the comfort of your own home (or office if you can get away with it), whenever you want (new music at 2 a.m.? Yeah, done that) and the selection can’t be beat (in addition to Amazon and CM Distro I really like a site called CDBaby; lots of really obscure, hard-to-find, independent stuff in almost every genre, not the fastest shipping in the world be definitely worth checking out. They sell mp3’s as well.) You don’t have to waste money, time and fuel driving around trying to find something that probably isn’t even in stock at your local Best Buy, Target or other big box, especially if what you listen to isn’t Top 40. The CDs show up in your mailbox when they’re supposed to, and I’ve never had a problem with my credit card number being abused or stolen from an online retailer (which I can’t say about the brick-and-mortar retail world.)
    It was actually classical music that got me into online ordering; I used to do most of my music shopping at a local Tower Records that had a whole separate room just for classical, with an amazing selection and knowledgeable staff. Unfortunately because of a combination of economics (the last recession, the start of the mp3 revolution) and neighborhood deterioration (Wal-Mart opened up across the street) the store closed down and there was basically nowhere else I could go in town that had any kind of classical selection. I was already ordering books from Amazon so it was a pretty logical step to start ordering CDs from them when I couldn’t find what I wanted in stores anymore. There was no turning back from there; online is definitely the way to go.
    I finally broke down and bought myself an iPod last year and have started getting into the iTunes world, but I am one of those old-school geeks that still loves CDs. With more mainstream artists or “guilty pleasures” that I like I’m content just to buy an mp3 single or album. But when it comes to classical, metal bands that I am passionate about, or up-and-coming artists that I think deserve more attention and support, I always buy the CD. I am one of those crazy people who likes to contemplate artwork and read liner notes while I listen, and thus far it seems like there just isn’t an equivalent in the digital world yet. Maybe as things like the new iPad get cheaper and become the standard (as opposed to the tiny screen on most iPods and other mp3 players) we will finally have a full digital equivalent to the CD; you will be able to download artwork, lyric sheets and liner notes (maybe even tabs for all the musicians out there) when you download your mp3 album.
    That said, I do miss the experience of browsing in record stores. When I was a kid I could spend hours in a record store, talking to people, checking out new stuff at listening stations, just getting away from the world and whatever shit life was throwing my way at the time. Browsing and buying online definitely isn’t the same. There are still a few mom and pop music stores hanging in there where I live, but most of them have had to branch into selling other forms of entertainment (DVDs, video games, comics, books, merch) to stay afloat. It just doesn’t feel the same, and that’s too bad.

  • Michael Fenton

    Aquarius Records in SF is the SHIT! And you can order online as well. Check it out! aquariusrecords.org

    They have a great metal section (as well as many others) but the great thing is they write reviews for almost every cd in the store, which appears on the not for sale copy of the CD itself on the floor (as well as online).

  • Honeynutzz

    I ordered your shit online and it just got shipped out. Also I finally found it on the internet. So YAY time to blaze.

  • http://www.metalhit.com Mike Riddick

    Coming from a distributor’s perspective, it’s obvious why digital is growing and will eventually dominate: consumerism is driven by convenience and price.

    As many have pointed here, it’s more convenient to go to iTunes or Amazon and find virtually anything you could possibly think to look for and purchase it in the middle of the night with the opportunity to own and listen minutes later. You can’t do that with a store. In addition to this, stores have high overhead expenses. Digital retailers do not, and thus can offer yet another bargain…a better price.

    There is something to be said for packaging and the benefit of holding something tangible in exchange for your purchase. Mailorders will definitely be a great resource for CDs as the digital medium gradually takes over. But again, there is risk and expense in publishing CDs. Left over inventory, artwork and manufacturing costs…not too mention shipping and distribution fees. Digital is way less and more convenient for the content owner and the fan.

  • Ahab

    I couldnt agree more. The last couple new albums i have bought (Son of Aurelius, Bison BC, and Revocation, each respectively f-in amazing by the way) ive had to order from a little awesome record shop that i’m pretty sure is on the same path as any other small record stores are. And ive nearly stopped going to best buy for any reason, they carry next to nothing but mainstream music. Its terrible without metal i cannot breath!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

    I fucking hate purchasing mp3′s off of iTunes. iTunes takes the music, rapes it, and sells it to you for the same amount the physical copy costs. Also it has DRM all over it. GUH!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

      They sell you broken music.

  • PatrickSTL

    I have started to pre-order any CD that I know that Iwant directly from the band. I do find that it is actually more expensive then going to BB and getting it for 8.99 first week price, however, I can guarantee having it by release date, and ensure that the band I am buying from get more money by direct order so I always do that now.

    But yes, my music stores around me have very littel to choose from and Best Buy has 2 small isles now of CD’s. It’s super depressing.

  • Polaris

    Well i have to say that I really hasn’t happened to me, and I like bands that arent huge or nothing. ZIA records in AZ is awesome, they always have what im looking for. ut I do order online too, sometimes it’s cheaper, I just hatw waiting a week to get a CD, as far as iTunes goes I like it but I dont. I’ve only bought one cd form iTunes, reason being the artwork and booklet, it’s just not the same, Doesn’t anybody care about Lyrics? Thank you’s, guest appearances? all these things are lost and a lot of bands put a lot into their art! One that comes in mind right now is Dying Fetus, awesome artwork for the new album! I think once someone figres out how they can mesh these things together things will evolve

    • Polaris

      also buying from band is great! i bought the new Obscura and Exodus at a show fr 10 bucks! can’t beat that and it feels better to buy from the band!

  • gauche

    what the hell? you’re all a bunch of shut-ins. i call my local bookstore and ask them to order CDs or records before they come out. often i get the album before it’s actual release date.

  • Rachel

    I recently bought the new Eluveitie album from the online Nuclear Blast store. What would make me opt for not getting the album on iTunes? The freebies. I think they are a smart form of marketing They had a deal where you could get a 20 by 30 inch poster signed by all eight band members. For the Eluveitie dork (because a fan of their music would never be dorky XD), this is a great way to attract physical CD sales. You couldn’t just buy this poster without the CD. The special bundle was $14, including the poster. When I got the CD at my house, they gave me additional ones for free. I got a complete Benighted and Sirenia album, along with Century Media sampler disc. $14 for four physical copies and a signed poster is pretty awesome. It is obvious that record companies have had to modify their marketing, but now I think they are actually starting to accept the fact that few will pay for music any more. I have no clue how the Century Media sampler disk got in my order from Nuclear Blast, but I’m not going to complain about hearing more music. Freebies of music, regardless of label, could help the music industry greatly in promoting bands. Some of the smaller bands now say that their income is made through merch and shows. Since I had not heard some of the bands on the sampler disk, I picked out the bands I liked and bought some of their albums on iTunes (ironic, I know). Back to the show+merch=income theory, I will want to see some of these bands live, and buy a shirt. So now, everyone is happy.

  • cougar party

    I finally stopped buying physical cds about 2 years ago. I buy everything online now. It’s just so much cheaper and more convienent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Susan-Graves/8833325 Susan Graves

    In NJ, there are two amazing stores that I try to give my business whenever possible. Vintage Vinyl in Fords is awesome. They have all kinds of metal. The store is devoted to metal and other extreme music, really. I love the used bins (you never know what you’ll find) and just browsing to see if there’s something interesting. Or, I’ll write down band names with interesting album covers, check them out online, and make a note of it. I get a lot of my impressions through album and CD art… gives me a visual to go with the music. It can be a little pricey, but I suck it up most of the time.

    http://vvinyl.com/

    I also make pilgrimages to the Princeton Record Exchange several times a year. They have a decent selection of metal. I’ve picked up some great stuff there, including Death’s Leprosy on vinyl, and a good deal of my folk metal collection. They have a lot of random obscure black metal, as well, and more well known stuff.
    They have a great used wall as well (where I found Moonsorrow’s Tulimyrsky for 2$!) And yes, I always LOL whenever I see the piles of Linkin Park and Marilyn Manson that got sold back to the store and now sell for a crisp 3 dollars.

    I love that they have metal and sacred rennaissance polyphony under the same roof. If you have an eclectic taste, this place is a goldmine.

    prex.com – worth checking out

    I try my best to limit my purchases to the great mom and pops in my state. I occasionally buy from Amazon. I don’t bother with the bigger stores usually (although I did find my copy of Metal Church at Barnes and Noble, go figure). I know they’ll just have Susan Boyle and Green Day, and that just depresses me.

  • krunkulor5000

    yea, TOTAL b.s to ride around everywhere for a album that doesnt exist then just getting porn & krystals instead, there is a country song somewhere in that.
    Now a bit older on my own cash and my own internet, yes i order online. Sometimes if i borrow a friends album and the cover is messed up or whatever i’ll go to amazon and get amazin deals. So far they havent failed me and then there are other ways i will never speak of, but you much realize the internet is more than a huge jack off aid, but a Tool.

    • krunkulor5000

      oh yeah! direct from the band i really becoming the way from locals to international. Do really see stores doing album/tshirt combos and so on, unless its raining blood/piss/deadfish (which ever is cooler to you) that day.