L O S T WITH AS I LAY DYING’S NICK HIPA: THE ISLAND’S ADAM AND EVE REVEALED! MORE DETAILS ABOUT SMOKEY! AND MAGIC VS. SCIENCE!

Wednesday, May 12th, 2010 at 4:30pm by

Good Wednesday to you all,

It was good to see a complete backstory sans flashways episode last night in “Across the Sea.” Much like Richard’s “Ab Aeterno,” the result of seeing a world that once was – as opposed to a world that could quite possibly be, is currently being, or will currently become – is that we are left more informed than questioned… well, kinda. Jacob and Nemesis’ history was finally explained, the mysterious kid we’ve been seeing around the Original Timeline has been identified as Jacob (or at least an apparition of him), and last but certainly not least: we now know who Adam and Eve are. In spite of the overly blatant use of recycled season one footage to let the most obtuse of L O S T fans know that a major question was being answered, I’m happy with who it turned out to be and how it became.

On a story level, I thought this episode was great in detailing the emotional struggle between the two brothers and their masterfully guileful False Mother. It definitely put an entirely new spin on my perception of Nemesis in that towards the middle end of the show, I had completely changed my opinion of him and actually felt as if everything he had done (horrible and ruthless as it may be) was warranted. The only question I have for all of you though, is do you think Nemesis as we know him is Jacob’s brother as we were shown? Or is Nemesis the manifestation of the Smoke Monster who was released upon Titus Welliver’s unconscious descent towards a fate worse than death? The Smoke Monster not being Jacob’s actual brother theories are already pulverizing the world wide web, and doing so in a very compelling fashion.

The gist of the Smokey-is-not-JB-argument is that Jacob sending his brother’s unconscious body down the river broke some sort of seal that released the Smoke Monster, who, judging by the hieroglyphic images we saw in the temple a few seasons back, has
been there for many moons before. Popular speculation is pinpointing the occurrence of this episode to have taken place around 41 AD – 54 AD, which would place this story after Egyptian times (which would make the erection of Tawaret and hieroglyphic writings unpractical and unlikely). My feeling, though, is that the explanation of the hieroglyphs will either be pawned off as a result of time travel, or will never be addressed and is a red herring. The result, then, is that I’m going to take the episode at face value – as the beginning of Smokey. Being dragged into the depths of the light transformed his mortal physical self into something supernatural, but still confined to the rules and regulations of the Island. There was far too much story line detailing a reason JB would want to go home, a reason why he would hate Jacob, and a far-fetched-but-I-guess-I’ll-deal-with-explanation as to how he kinda got super powers for him NOT to be Smokey.

We still have no clue why JB and Jacob can’t kill each other (aside from their False Mother simply saying she made it that way) and we still have no idea what the “magical life force light” is. Out of curiousity, how many of you were thinking thoughts along the lines of “Are you kidding me?””C’mmmmon…,” or “This is in no way cool, creative, or interesting,” when False Mother took the boys to the cave possessing a “light that is in every one of us?” For me, this is EXTREMELY disappointing, because it reinforces very strongly the non-scientific based direction the writers are heading towards as the show’s meaning. Nothing against anyone if they thought it was sweet, I was just curious how everyone else was feeling.

All fantasy squabbles aside, this show was good to me in that it gave us the story behind the Jacob vs. Nemesis debacle. Based on that story, as I said earlier, it made me feel sympathetic towards Nemesis and currently, as the story goes, I don’t blame him one bit for anything he’s done. One interesting note, though, is that as the Smoke Monster, he assumed the role of the Island’s protector very much in the vain of his mother. Throughout the story as we’ve seen it the past six seasons, he was the one killing people immediately as well as the one who looked at non-Islanders as people who “come, fight, destroy, and corrupt…” Who he became it seems, is EXACTLY who False Mother wanted him to be: a gnarly version of herself. From her introduction of the black and white game on the beach, her favoritism of one over the other, then the manipulation of her own death; the rivalry seems her scheme from the beginning. My only guess as to why she said “Thank You” after being dealt a deadly stab, is because in doing so Nemesis sealed a fate for himself that she had chosen for him all along.

There’s tons of stuff that can be taken all sorts of ways with this one, I’m pumped to hear what you all made of it!

-NH

As I Lay Dying’s new album, The Powerless Rise, is out now on Metal Blade! Why not get L O S T on AILD’s MySpace page?

  • Ryd1ZZ

    I thought it was a good episode. I’m in the same boat as you about the direction they are taking to explain certain things. I hope there are more scientific reasons behind it all but it looks doubtful. Ready for it to be over and see what kind of questions they fully answer.

    Side note: next week… SOMA… gonna be wild!

    • Nick

      Yeah I just want it to be over so I can just know too! Stoked you’re going to the Soma show, should be siiiiiick!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

    new album shreds dude. well done!!!! listened to it as i was watching lost. haha, go figure.

    • Nick

      Thanks Jason!

  • B-dizzle

    Yo Nick, interesting theory for you

    Maybe the mother was the smoke monster before MIB was? Remeber when MIB was walking through his camp after his mom tackled him into the wall? The whole camp was smokey and everyone was dead.

    Then, when he stabbed her in the heart she said thank you (the only way to kill the smoke monster is to stab its heart before it talks to you).

    • Dallas

      That makes a lot of sense. She was ruthless as all hell and showed favoritism to the ‘dark one’ from the beginning. Maybe MIB was her ‘candidate’?

      • B-dizzle

        I take no credit for that FYI, another ex-Lamb of God user came up with that one

        • B-dizzle

          Lamb of God board user*

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Punch-McChainsaw/100000274695976 Punch McChainsaw

            People around the web are also saying that false mother was the one who showed JB the vision of his real mother in order to put him down the path to him killing her. Who else do we know that impersonates the dead?

    • Nick

      Yeah that was a theory I was reading that is very compelling as well!

      I think the most logical ways to explain Claudia’s appearance to Jacob’s nameless brother as well as the complete decimation, is to put it on the smoke monster. Smokey is the only one (we know of) who can obliterate an entire camp of people as well as manifest into the likeness of the dead.

      Good catch too on how False Mother was able to be killed because she hadn’t spoken before being stabbed, as oppose to False Locke who had spoken to Sayid before he attempted to stab him.

      The only counter argument I can think of though, is that if she was Smokey all along, why would she make Jacob a person who has power over her? (This is the same question I’m asking myself btw)

      • B-dizzle

        Yeah, my theories end about there. Just a couple of more weeks

  • DeathMasqueRed

    I thought the light from the cave looked strikingly similar to what was in Marcellus Wallace’s briefcase.

    • soy el niño más bonito

      this

    • Nick

      hahaha yeah the marvelous, indescribable, and captivating glow that is “the meaning of it all.” If they actually tie this into Pulp Fiction I will be OK with the “fantasy” angle haha.

  • timot

    dont give a shit about Lost, but I just saw you guys last night in Chicago…you KILLED IT AS USUAL!!!

    • Nick

      Sick thanks Timot! I was having some serious technical problems but regardless I’m glad you had fun!

  • Strapping Young Lad

    WOWZERS I got some catching up to do… Last time i saw this show, there was a polar bear! BLEW MY MIND!

    • Nick

      Whoa you’re way behind man haha! I actually wish I was in your position so I can just watch it all at once and not get stuck with cliff hanger’s every week!

  • http://front-stage.blogspot.com Front Stage

    Take a look at their website. http://asilaydying.com/ it has some great video clips of them in the studio recording the album.

    As I Lay Dying, The Powerlss Rise is a seriously heavy album.

    • Nick

      Glad you like it m’man!

  • http://twitter.com/stabitha Stabitha

    I was enraged by this episode. The show had already taken a pretty biblical story arc, but it was very general — the whole Book of Job type being tested sort of deal. But this was a straight up retelling of the story of Jacob and Esau, right down to the whole birthright thing.

    I need Desmond and Faraday to come back and rep hard for science.

    • Nick

      Hey Stabitha,

      I’m equally as frustrated as you are about this. The entire series I’ve been hoping for some serious LOGICAL explanations and was fearing for the worst typical primetime TV cop outs: dream sequences, aliens, or religious mumbo jumbo. So far the mumbo jumbo seems to be the route they’re taking.

      Hopefully the light in the cave can be explained scientifically (i.e. electromagnetism) and Desmond’s imperviousness to electromagnetic forces make him THE dude to bring all this chaos to an end!

      I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed for Faraday next week too!

      • http://twitter.com/stabitha Stabitha

        I’ll totally cut a bitch if we end up with a Twin Peaks “HOW’S ANNIE? HOW’S ANNIE?!” ending. Here’s to hoping.

        FARADAY, YOU’RE MY ONLY HOPE.

  • Ardea

    I actually was a little disappointed with this episode. I’ve always been uncomfortable whenever Lost used fantasy in the story, and this episode relied on it a bit too much. It’s probably just my taste, but I thought the scene where Jacob’s mother mutters some incantation and then persuades Jacob to drink wine and, in doing so, accept responsibility of protecting the island, pretty unconvincing.

    But I guess the show has always relied on some fantasy elements from the very beginning. Smokey can’t exactly be explained entirely by science either.

    About the Adam and Eve part, it’s nice to see it finally revealed, after 6 years. But in the season 1 episode, Jack had said “it takes 40 to 50 years” for the cloth to decay like that, so I had concluded that Adam and Eve had been from the 1970s era, not 41-54 AD!

    Still, I can’t say I’m upset with this episode – there are so few Lost episodes left that I can’t be picky. :)

    (The Powerless Rise rocks by the way).

    • Nick

      Yeah this wasn’t anywhere near as rad as “The Candidate,” but there were some redeeming qualities. You’re right too that there has always been a bit of unexplainable-fantasy-type elements in LOST, but I was just hoping it would end up being a tad bit smarter towards the end.

      Also, I’m with you that I wasn’t expecting the skeletons to be thousands of years old! I was think Dharma Initiative era myself haha.

      Glad you like the new album : )

  • kenneth

    What stood out for me, was when MiB and Mother were in the well/shaft thing, and how he discussed how he was going to get off the island. It really made him stand out as a man of science, and jacob obviously being the man of faith here. Furthermore, might there be some connection between young MiB being able to see his dead mother, and Sawyer being able to see young Jacob?

    • Nick

      That scene making him out to be a man of science/logic is the scene that made me like him. He was the brother who could think for himself where as Jacob always went with what he was told, and for that he won my favor. His ability to see his dead mother might make him special like Sawyer maybe, or there’s also the possibility that the ghost of Claudia was actually an apparition that Smokey had manifested itself into to manipulate JB into joining the other Islanders. I guess that all depends if you think Smokey was already there or if MIB became him! There’s so many directions to go here its definitely overwhelming!

  • Jared Gattey

    Hey Nick! Saw you last night at the Minneapolis concert! Can’t wait to read all of these when I’m up to season 6! I’ve watched all of these alone so I’m sure my theories are gunna be pretty wack..

    • Nick

      Rad man glad you were at the show! That’s cool man just get caught up one of these days : )

      • Jared Gattey

        Yea, I could only talk to you briefly after the show with all the other people wanting to talk to you being famous and what not. Haha! I really wanted to pick your brain about LOST, but again, congrats on your engagement! Can’t wait to see you guys again!

  • Tonberry

    I’m glad that MIB’s name wasn’t revealed to be “Esau”. It would’ve been a very obvious, groan-inducing biblical reference.

    • Nick

      Dude yeah! I already groaned out when I saw the light from the cave, him being named Esau would’ve have been FAR more frustrating!

  • whywefight

    ‘Nemesis’ was corrupted by the blinding of false light immediately. He was angry and apathetic about his actual mother’s people’s plight and was using them to cross the ocean between him and the world. . Anyway, the whole reason why LOST introduced the light is because they know the only constant is change. But, if they keep on introducing new stuff, we will never really figure out the old stuff, so Lost will end without conclusion. We still have no idea with what’s going on with the parallels of the LOST characters that LOST calls ‘flash sideways’. Nemesis has been confirmed in my mind as the bad guy that was condemned to the island due to his evilness. However, the people that were labeled as ‘plagued’ have recently found some form of humanity (Sayid saving the rest of the survivors and Clare is just emotionally unstable like Rousseau, instead of being a complete psycopath that is vacant of all emotion like she looked like when we first saw her this season). Anyway it looks like there is no way for the survivors to kill the crazy Nemesis that turns into smoke and kills every one in his way. I mean, how do you kill smoke? Regardless, I believe the survivors probably will succeed, and I look forward to watching the powerless rise.

    • Nick

      Hahahahaha.

      This was very, very clever!

      Massive propts : )

  • Diego

    Yup! First of all, thumbs up for the powerless rise(visit spain when you come to europe in the name of Jacob!).

    In second place, if felt really disappointed with the fantasy stuff revealed in this alst episode. I fucking love electromagnetism, timetravel paradoxes and all other pseudocientifical explanations, please script writers do not end lost saying that the wizard Merlin casted The Island out of his hat….

    Concerning to the episode..i liked it, yeah. I’m w/ the people that say taht smokey is JB, for me is no doubt that “mother” formerly was. And that the shot ritual by the “light” was a way of preventing Jacob from getting himself IN the light, and avoiding him of becoming “bodyless” which is what i think mother meant with the “gettin inside the light i far worse than dying”.

    Final thought, if the light attracts metals, does it like Metal?? does it like AILD??!?!

  • Brad

    I see so many posts on this forum and many others where people are polarized between “science” vs “fantasy” in the LOST storyline. I would like to sugest that they are the SAME things. An iPod would be magical to someone 2000 years ago if you showed one to them. Magic is simply scientific principles put to use that we don’t understand. I see this all the time in society with other polarized topics too. So my point is this, EVERYTHING in LOST is scientific, we just may not understand WHY or HOW it’s scientific….yet. If only Daniel was still alive….maybe he could tell us what the hell the “Light” really is. I doubt it. It may be a celestial energy that God uses for creating things. Who freaking knows with this show. I’m sad to see it end. Oh yeah….just bought the album and it owns face. Love you guys. God bless.

  • http://dennychaos dennychaos

    Was it just me, or when the mother first showed the light, did anyone think it was going to be the Fountain of Youth? As soon as I saw the light in the water I started raging about how it should not be the Fountain of Youth ahhaha

    And how do they speak english 2000 years ago?????

    btw Nick, you guys missed some dates last year because of Tim going to Africa and you guys PROMISED to come back. So don’t forget Fresno please :D The Blinding of False Light should’ve been the title to this episode haha

    • Hermanubis

      They were speaking latin, changed to english for the viewers convenience. Noone wants to read subtitles for a whole episode.

  • Jaime

    if As I Lay Dying comes to the Philippines i will cry after i immediately after getting the news of it