COUNTDOWN TO EXTINCTION: GOD FORBID’S DOC COYLE ON COPING WITH AGING IN A YOUTH-DRIVEN HEAVY MUSIC SCENE

Thursday, May 13th, 2010 at 5:00pm by

In the last few years, something seemed to happen and I barely noticed. Suddenly, I’m no longer the young kid at the show. I’m one of the guys hiding out by the bar. I’m not crowd surfing, not covered in sweat with my shirt off, and I’m certainly not moshing. I’m also not randomly yelling “Slayer!”, but that seems to span all demographics. I became… (gulp)… an adult. I don’t know what the range is in the ages of the followers of MetalSucks, but I’ll assume that it’s a mix of younger and older metal fans. I am 29 years old, but I still feel relatively young and energetic considering my opening salvo. I’m the youngest member of my band, and younger than a good majority of my friends in bands and the industry.

With that said, I think there comes a time for all metal heads, and probably all adults for that matter, when you look at what is popular amongst the true youth culture (16-24), and you feel as if not only do you not relate to it, but it feels alien, as if it’s creation was not meant for your consumption (which it wasn’t) – and it also seems inferior to music that you grew up with. I’m only 29, and I’m already having “back in my day” moments. It kind of scared me, and I began to wonder if I was being obtuse and a little too set in my ways, or if my analysis was accurate.

In some ways, I know I’m not crazy because I feel like I grew up in a fantastic era musically. Although a tenuous time for metal, the early 90’s was the most fertile era for rock music since the mid 70’s. It’s hard to argue we didn’t experience an explosion of classic bands that are just as relevant and sought after to this day including Radiohead, Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails, Nirvana, Weezer, Tool, STP, Rage Against the Machine, Faith No More, Alice In Chains, etc. Because rock is related and a gateway into metal, I consider this period relevant. Also, I feel that metal’s “demise” in the 90’s was a bit exaggerated. Metallica, Megadeth, White Zombie and GNR were all over MTV and radio, Pantera was a multi-platinum arena act, and metal flourished in the underground where we saw the ascendance of death metal and bands like Meshuggah, At the Gates, and Death were seemingly reinventing the wheel. I would have to say that I stand by my assessment that my generation had it pretty damn good. Although I’m sure those who came of age in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s would say the same.

In a way, I think I feel older than I am because I was always the youngest guy in my social group, and I also always had a deep respect and curiosity for heavy music’s history and roots. I would always go back and discover who influenced my favorite bands. I hope today’s generation takes the same approach, but it doesn’t always feel like it.

I don’t want anyone to think that I have a problem with modern metal. My position is actually the contrary, and I’m often frustrated by friends of mine who don’t stay current and than complain that there aren’t any good new bands out there. I think that there has been a steady dose of vibrant, exciting young bands as long as you are willing to take the initiative to search and seek out these bands. I try to stay current, and I still feel behind the ball in regards to checking out new bands compared to some of my industry/blogger friends. The main objective for me as I age is not to become jaded and dismissive. In my opinion, that’s where artistic stagnation comes from. I give so much credit to bands like Exodus, Testament, and even Judas Priest (when they put out Painkiller) for staying current and acknowledging the evolution and notable improvements in heavy metal from it’s extremity to it’s technicality and it’s production.

There are some things I don’t like about a lot of newer metal that young kids seem to be into. There seems to be far too much emphasis on shredding and technicality for it’s own sake. There’s not enough soul, I suppose. I also think many bands forsake good songwriting and dynamics for all out heaviness and intensity. But in a way, this has always been true of youthful music. Some of the fashion trends make me scratch my head. The whole ”I’m into death metal/deathcore but I dress like I’m going to see a Big Daddy Kane/Kool Moe Dee double bill in 1988” thing seems a tad misguided, but different strokes, ya know. I guess I can’t complain too much, but I still feel like I’m graduating into an older age group.

So how old is everyone, and how do you all feel about new music and youth oriented trends? Does anyone feel like me?

-DC

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  • tall_ted

    Shut up, grandpa.

    • dallas

      you’re a buster.

    • Meathead

      If your grandpa is 29, your mother is a real fucking whore, dude. Unless your grandpa’s your father too… then your family is just fucking messed.

      • Dr.

        It was a sarcastic comment, cretin.

        • Some Random Dude

          my aunt is my grandma and sister in law

  • http://www.myspace.com/thestarsthrewdowntheirspears Tim

    Definitely.

  • Matthew Grant Anson

    19.

    Youth oriented trends? Fuck deathcore.

    • MadSkins

      ^
      Hope for the future. Good day, sir.

    • Killer Kovarik

      16.

      Trends fuck deathcore also, and any other “core”

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Sterner/1335958279 Andrew Sterner

        Core is Cancer. Having that said, there are good metal bands out there.

    • Deven

      Thank God. I’m 19 too and I thought everyone my age was musically retarded.

    • another

      14 and I can say the same. Sage comes from experience, not age, though.

      • steve

        18
        deathcore is for the dweebiants.

    • Goro923

      17.
      FUCK DEATHCORE! And any other lame christian infused type of shitty music that today’s scenesters call “metal”.
      THRASH METAL FOREVER!!!!!!

      • jonesy

        + A FUCKING MILLION!!!! Who needs new bands when Sacrifice, Heathen, and Overkill all put out NEW records in the last year?

  • MadSkins

    29 also, and I know where you’re coming from. I don’t feel old, but the scene seems to have passed me by. Like you said, there are plenty of great new acts coming out constantly, but how weird is it that I feel nostalgia for a period in metal as recent as 2005? Anyway, agreed on the 90′s – lots of great stuff, but I’m sure a lot of that is age talking. 30 in a week, btw. Fuck.

  • vagina

    I’m 25 and I feel old already (musically speaking)…

    I hate all music probably cause I just finished a Master’s in the fucking stuff, but that’s my problem, and I don’t think has anything to do my age… just that most music sucks :) And I’m not specifying metal… there is a lot of shitty pop, rock, “classical”, jazz, etc etc…

    Of course, it’s worth it to weed through the shit though to find that one band or song that gets you going in unique ways.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gideon-McAdams/1343010120 Gideon McAdams

      Totally, music is VERY oversaturated in general. metal included.

      I’m a music production major, and I’m 20, and the only good thing I can think of for deathcore is that at least pop-metal is getting heavier. gives the sheep something worth

  • Alex_P

    I’m 19, and my music is a mix. Classics of my generation? Radiohead’s Hail to the Thief, DFA1979′s You’re a Woman, I’m a Machine, anything Lightning Bolt (whom I am more or less gay for), the Bronx’s first two albums, Ludicra’s since unsurpassed Hollow Psalms.

    • Genial Gentile

      DFA 1979 ftw…and I’m old.

  • MSalonen

    22, and I completely agree with you.

  • orbital

    33. I like a lot of shit that’s come out recently. I like a lot of shit that came out in the past. ‘Bout it.

  • Mike Arose

    18 I hate most new bands save the likes of Arsis, The Faceless, Gojira, Lamb of God, Devildriver, Arch Enemy. But then again I like the older bands like Megadeth, Voivod, Coroner, Annihilator, Death, Exodus, King Diamond, Heathen , and etc.. It seems like it comes from a different place then most modern metal I don’t know that music more sense to me. Oh and fuck what the kids like I myself could be put in 1986 and not look out of place at all.

    • Matthew Grant Anson

      Good taste, especially the obscure stuff like Heathen and Coroner.

      • Goro923

        Seconded. Not too many people pay Coroner the attention the deserve.

        • Mike Arose

          Tommy T. Baron is one of the greatest guitar players i’ve ever heard. He deserves a shitload of praise yet i’ve never heard his name anywhere

          • Goro923

            I was just thinking that last week while I was listening to Grin…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dustin-Martin/100001080727374 Dustin Martin

    23, i completely agree,Still havent’ givin in to itunes, i buy cds nigga/ha.But seriously just went to a show the other night/one of the oldest guys theres.PS i welcome the youoth to

  • james

    wow…exactly how ive been feeling

  • PatrickSTL

    I’m 23 and I really only listen to modern bands, but that does include some bands that formed in the 90′s like TOOL, SOAD, Rage, Dillinger Escape Plan, Every Time I Die, etc.

    I am starting to feel like I will always like the core bands that I like now the most. I will always stay relevant because I love new bands, and possible new styles, etc. but I think we all sort of grow with the bands we start loving between late high school and early college years. It also doesnt help that a shit ton of new bands all sound EXACTLY alike, and yeah, they just don’t have ‘feeling’ to it. The only band that I like that I would truly consider ‘scene’ is Suicide Silence but I bought their CD by chance, put it on, and liked it. I had no idea they were ‘scene’ or played to that audience, I just liked their sound.

    It also sort of hurts when we literally can hear 100 different bands in one day, that fit the style we like, and can get burnt out on it all, even it some of the bands are actually quality.

    The best bands come to you be accident.

  • BC

    Fuck man I’m 18 and I feel old!! My friends are always getting crazy about all sorts of new-school hardcore metalcore and deathcore, and I just don’t get it! Of course there are some exceptions to every rule I fucking Love Parkway Drive their breakdowns are just massive but I’ll have friends who tell me that I need to check out a band like The Ghost Inside and I’ll ignore them and just CRANK Morbid Angel’s Formulas Fatal To The Flesh. They say the new Bring Me The Horizon Is super fucking brutal I tell them I’m feeling more like having an old school stoner sludge doom kick and flip on Eyehategod’s Dopesmoker. So don’t feel too bad you’re not old you just don’t dress like a moron and listen to crap music!

    • Genial Gentile

      uh…Eyehategod’s Dopesmoker? [citation needed]

      • jxk

        that would be pretty badass if ehg covered dopesmoker.

        both were great albums (dopesick & dopesmoker)

        • BC

          Woops my bad fucked up there (still buzzed ) but I’m sure you know what I meant (but a cover album like that would be fucking great

    • http://www.myspace.com/somethinglikesweet CJ

      Bring Me The Horizon and Parkway Drive are two of my most favorite bands. Good shit.

  • regularluke

    I experience this pre-mid-life shit all the time. I’m 24 and an unsigned musician in a relatively new band, so I can’t help but worry. Every new band that gets signed seems to have members that are 18, 19, 20… Is there even hope for me anymore?

    • erik

      You’re young as fuck. You got plenty of time to find a band that doesn’t totally suck.

    • no-ghost

      you wouldn’t want to be signed to a label that is only signing 18 yr olds also so don’t worry about that shit.

    • http://www.myspace.com/severed Tonberry

      I wonder that myself, sometimes. I’m 25 now, and have been at it since I was 17 or so. I had a lot of tough breaks in my early 20s, and I’m not touring the world now like I had hoped. Ultimately, though, what you have to realize is that few successful people have the same story- you can’t use other people’s experiences for a blueprint.

    • Leon

      It’s cool man. I’m 39 & just signed my first ever record deal, so it’s never too late. Just be patient, never believe your own bullshit, work hard & it’ll happen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jacquelin-Rostad/635209883 Jacquelin Rostad

    31. It’s easier to discover new music now than ever before, and the landscape of new music is so diverse that there’s plenty of new stuff I like, but a lot I can’t stand also. The only time I’ve felt old is when I’ve gone to shows and didn’t realize beforehand that the band had a really young fanbase. I went to see After the Burial and felt like some kind of creepy Mary Kay LeTourneau-style cougar…

    • OldandTired

      43. Now that is old as hell. My first concert was Blue Oyster Cult and Molly Hatchet in 1981. Like I said, old as hell.

      I’ve been “hanging out at the bar” at shows for many years now. Probably haven’t been in a pit in almost twenty years.

      I absolutely agree with your statement on the ease of discovering new music. Honestly, I feel like I can hardly keep up. It seems like I discover something new that I dig almost every week. There’s definitely something for everyone out there.

  • happysam

    I’m 16 — and you’re right. The few people in my grade who listen to anything remotely like metal only listen to deathcore (other than my friend, who introduced me to metal in general).
    They only care about heaviness for the sake of it; they hate all other genres of music without even listening to them. It’s kind of sad, and really frustrating. I’m sure when the trend passes, they’ll stop listening to it.
    I’m pretty sure I’ll be listening to metal when I’m an old grandma xD

  • erik

    34, and my attitude towards moshing has changed. When I was young I thought it was really cool and “hardcore” to mosh. Now I really think it’s just a brainwashed reflex which has been planted deep in the subconscious through music videos and is triggered by performers.

    I see a lot of boring bands who hide their lack of performance by constantly demanding a circle pit or a wall of death or some shit. It’s really old and predictable. It’s also kind of homosexual. As a spectator, it’s not my job to entertain the band. I paid money to be entertained. Moshing is a bad metal cliche. It’s as cheesy as spandex and aquanet.

    Moshing might have been rebellious and dangerous back in the 80′s, but now it’s homogenized and accepted in corporate venues all across the country. It’s gay.

    • Brock Sterns

      Its also extremely fun. And although I technically wouldn’t be able to tell, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that my favorite bands didn’t brainwash me into moshing at shows for their own personal gain (water sales??).
      Maybe you should consider the fact that you’ve reached an age where moshing just doesn’t seem appealing, and not call me and a large portion of most audiences homosexual for participating.

    • BattleHamster

      Please don’t use “gay” as an insult. You can be negative without using homophobic language; it just takes more creativity.!

      • RayRay

        Your tag is BattleHamster….I can see why you would be offended by the word GAY.

        • Ziltoid is a Pussy

          Hahaha. He likes the battle his hampster has when he places it in his ass!

  • http://thatdevilmusic.blogspot.com Rob Liz

    Got you all beat. I’m 40 and like Doc I try to stay current but it’s hard to do when I hate so many modern trends now. Basically what I look for in a new band is a vibe or something reminscient of the 80′s or the 90′s. I’ve actually gravitated more the Nordic metal scene over the years then the U.S because of my disdain for the trends.

    I can’t stand the concert scene these days, probably because I grew up in the stadium era so now these claustrophobic club deals with fat, bald over aggressive fucktards in the pit make me want to smash them in the face. Not that I was ever a big pit guy anyway, I just have less tolerance for it now. I just want to see the band.

    I’m actually proud of the fact that I’m still somewhat in touch after all these years but it takes effort. Especially when I have really no friends that still listen to this stuff anymore.

    • pescarojo

      Beat ya bud, I’m 41. Yeah we’re still out there. \m/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-P-Stine/1314021455 Anthony P Stine

    30.

    I felt this way in high school though, to be honest. I hated the 90s scene, other than for a few of the metal bands that were good (Prong, Zombie, Pantera to a degree). Things seem to have only gotten worse, at least with the bands that are popular now. Image is more important than soul and real emotion.

  • Genial Gentile

    You know you’ve hit an age landmark when you go to a big arena show and you’re happy about having balcony seats.

  • slowmotion

    I’m 35, feel like I’m 45, but I’m much more musically open minded than I was when I was 18. I like a lot of what the young bands are doing and do listen to more modern metal than the classics lately, but yes breakdowns are overused and tend to bore me. I don’t mosh much at shows much anymore, generally just want to chill and watch the bands when I go to shows, but I did recently go in a pit for the first time in a few years during Eluvietie’s set at new england metalfest this year and had a blast and it made me feel 10 years younger. But yeah, it was Eluvietie not JFAC or Whitechapel b/c I didn’t want to show up all bruised at work on Monday from taking a spin kick in the face or something. What definitely makes me feel old is when I go to metal shows by myself b/c all my friends either don’t listen to metal anymore, have wives who don’t let them go out or they don’t have enough money, so yeah I’m the old guy drinking alone at the bar sometimes.

    • Michiel

      Don’t worry man. I’m 21 and don’t have a lot of friends that like metal so I regularly go to shows on my own. And in my experience, you’re never alone at a metal show. All you gotta do is feel the music. Rock on.

      • orbital

        Yep. I attend shows alone too. It’s only pathetic when you also get drunk by yourself while your there.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Loren-Sharkey/628220464 Loren Sharkey

          ugh, that was me at Moonsorrow a few weeks ago

        • malwar

          what? fuck that – getting wasted solo at metal shows rule. plus i never drink alone, Jack, Jim, Johnny and Grandad are always there.

      • Peter C

        Agree ^. I’m 31 and am also lacking in the friends-who-like-metal. But fuck it. I’ll still go by myself to experience the music I love.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Long/100000144612811 Mike Long

    For being only 16, I think I am a retro metalhead by heart. All my all-time favorite bands are 80s bands and all my favorite newer bands (save for Chimaira, Devildriver, Mastodon etc.) are retro metal bands like Evile, Warbringer, and Lazarus A.D. I even have an affinity for pre-Tomb of the Mutilated death metal

  • ferocious_fetus

    24…soon to be 25.
    First time I felt old at a show was in 2005 at the tender age of 20.
    Watching The Black Dahlia Murder on their first headlining tour (for Miasma) and was surrounded by legions of hyper active teens going nuts. I had worked that day and as much as I wanted to rock out down front I was too fucking tired to stay down there for more than a few songs.

    I don’t know about you guys but IMO, last year was one of the best years for metal in recent memory. Yeah, sales down/supersaturated market/ Koe Moe Dee Scene Kidz all suck, but creatively there was so many great bands putting out amazing albums last year, from across the metal spectrum, I was like fucking Christmas every week.

  • GoingDeaf?

    34. Old as dirt. I still try to stay current and there are a lot of new bands that I like. I definitely never wanted to become like the metalheads from my hometown who never progressed beyond the bands they listened to in high school

    If you look around at most of the bands who are successful, with the exception of the here today, gone tomorrow scene bands, the members are all in their late 20′s and up. Age doesn’t matter unless you’re going for the teenage market. I’ll put Sick of it All (all in their 40′s) up against any young whippersnapper band and those kids will get pummeled.

    • Marcel

      You hit nail right on the head. Look around, at work, in your family: Most people stop listening to music once they leave high school. Only people who are really interested in music keep up with new bands, visit the archives to discover good old music and expand their taste.

      Last week, for instance, I bought the latest Sick of it all and a Merle Haggard boxset. There are only 2 kinds of music: good and bad. The rest is a matter of taste.

  • McHammered

    I am wayyyy old lol…. and agree about a lot of the music lacking soul and songwriting.. I try to keep checking out new stuff. And not a lot of it catches my ear. However I give it a chance.. I check out a lot of the new stuff on the CD samplers from Metal Hammer and one band I thought had some cool dynamics and they seem to fall in this catagory was Bring Me The Horizon.. oh yea I am 41 BTW… So yea..

    • Branko kockica

      22 and nostalgic, I’d trade all the Born of Osiris-es and other letsstealmeshuggahriffsanddobreakdownsforhalfafuckinghour/core cunts for just one “War Within” Shadows Fall. Fuck them and their dumbass earlobe piercings

  • GoingDeaf?

    An even bigger question is: Doc, are you actually wearing your own band’s shirt on stage? :)

    • Andy Synn

      Haha… say yes Doc, say yes! Represent! I’m with you…

      *is carted off to mental institute wearing band-name branded stright-jacket*

    • Isaac

      The only people who are allowed to do that are the members Iron Maiden and Motorhead. And Corpsegrinder if he wants, but only because it looks silly in that one music video.

  • Thrashbuster

    26. Alomst 27. and i feel way weird at most local shows. so i usually try to steer clear of the scene shows. I’d rather go to one with 10 older dudes than 100 15 year olds.

  • Justin

    if anything, older guys who are still relevant in such a discerning music scene should get more respect!

  • old skool metal head

    I am 50, so imagine the looks I get when I walk into some shows! I had a 23 year gap between the last metal show I saw and the one that got me back into metal (Ozzy Osbourne in Honolulu, 1984 and Megadeth in Norfolk, 2007). During that time I was either deployed, raising a family or otherwise engaged in some activity that took me away from music. This is what happens to most adults, they either “grow up” and stop doing what they did as kids or find other things to do. I met a young couple who told me a story of a guy who sold them a bunch of Black Sabbath memorabilia because he decided to “grow up”. What was funny about this was how the young man described the guy selling him the stuff “He was like really old, like 30!” I wished I had a camera in my hands when I told them I was 49 and the guy standing next to us was 40.

    In my case I always liked loud and fast, I just had to get back into it. And because I missed out on the 80′s and 90′s I started listening to the new stuff, which for the most part I don’t have a problem with. I go to shows with the intent of giving each band a shot and find what I like based on what I see and hear. The area I live in is not the greatest for shows but I have managed to see Lazarus AD, Warbringer, Evile, Misery Index, Woe of Tyrants, Goatwhore and a bunch of others and of course God Forbid. There are some bands that are a little too much into technical virtuosity for the sake of technical virtuosity, but that is OK, some people like it.

    Now I have walked into a show where I was really out of place (Parkway Drive), but one of the guys in the crowd introduced himself and we started talking about metal and he thought it was cool I was willing to listen to newer bands and not stick to what I grew up with. I think this is the first sign that you are in trouble is when you lock yourself into a period of music.

    I don’t try to mimic the kids, so I don’t have tattoos or piercings. I show up wearing a band t-shirt, jeans and tennis shoes and after a little while nobody cares. The only advice I can give is don’t “grow up” and toss out a part of your life that is fun. If you start to worry about what others might think or say you will start to grow old.

    • malwar

      thx for your insight, one thing i’ve think elevates metal is it’s OK to get old and still listen to it. shit on ozzfest if you will (it deserves it) but its cool to see kids to parents/grandparents there for same thing.

  • thelump

    only 16 years old here, and best way to tell people about what you like:
    http://www.last.fm/user/thelump94

  • hikizume

    28 and I agree %100000

  • thelump

    And I always feel very young at concerts, the average age of people who attend concerts that I go to are 25-28 i would say. ( with the exception of the Between the Buried and me concert) I’m not even surprised nowadays when I see 50+ year olds at concerts.

    • Natsquatch

      Same here. I’m 19, and a lot of the shows I go to these days I see very few people who look near my age or younger. The best recent example I can think of is when I saw Kreator in March. But still, though it may just be in my location, even when I’ve seen more modern and popular metal bands like Trivium and Unearth, there were more people in their mid-late 20s and up in attendance than youngsters like myself.

  • motorvate

    I’m 43, and still going strong. As I’ve aged, my tastes in music have become even more extreme. I crave grind, and seek out new music every chance I get. The new Wormrot is outstanding, and I just recently discovered the Insect Warfare disc from a few years back.

    I still go to club shows here in San Antonio, but I go alone. Sad, I know, but I don’t know anybody else (young or “old”) that listens to the stuff I do. When my wife and I married 19 years ago, she thought my metal years were a passing phase. She knows now that I’m in it for the long haul, and she supports it 100%. I’m not ashamed to wave my freak flag high, and I can’t think of any other genre of music that means more to me than metal.

    • cougar party

      Good for you, man. I’ll probably be doing the same shit when I’m 43.

    • old skool metal head

      I’m the only one of my work group that even listens to metal. I have the “band of the day” on one of the white boards after we got into a discussion about acoustic guitars and metal (people have never heard Opeth or Orphaned Land). I go to shows alone because my wife hates metal, my daughter loves it, but hates the crowds. I hang out with people at the show, take some pictures and go home. Its a nice night out, I get to bang my head and scream my frustrations away while listening to good music.

      • motorvate

        Amen, Old Skool. I manage the department I work in, and my guys still shake their heads in disbelief when they hear the music spilling out of my office. NOBODY gets it. It’s all just noise to them. I beg to differ. I hear melody in the most extreme forms of metal – it’s not my problem they don’t want to take a break from their Hinder jam sessions and educate themselves.

        Like you, I enjoy going to shows and get zero grief from any of the young guns there. It’s just kind of lonely standing in the middle of the floor with a beer in your hand and nobody to talk to. It’s not gonna stop me from going, though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Yu/2207107 David Yu

    29 & I’m about to hit a milestone in a couple of days so this article seems very relevant…

  • RebelPyro

    With the exception of not wanting to be ‘in the pit’ and go crazy right at the front of the stage for the length of an entire show, Age is pretty irrelevant in regards to staying current. Sure, it’s a time consuming task that’s not to be understated, but it’s completely doable thanks in large part to this thing we call the interwebs, and the existence of none other than blogspots. Yeah, sites like this will occasionally introduce you to ‘new bands’, and of course, some sites bring you current bands a lot quicker than others (this site JUST found out about Bleed From Within?? C’mon… that’s 2 year old ‘new’).

    Yeah, most blogspots are hosting illegal as fuck downloads all day long… but the massive amount of info and new music you will find there specific to the genres we are looking for is unmatched anywhere else. Legal sites like lala and others will NEVER give you a good ‘recommendation’ as to what else you should check out if you like this or that band. Corporate bullshit like “Rocks if you like” are fucking worthless!! Someone who listens to Arch Enemy, Children Of Bodom or Emperor isn’t necessarily going to love Suicide Silence, Whitechapel or Winds of Plague, but because it’s “Heavy”, every lame legal site out there will give you recommendations just like that. Also, even if you don’t download, but just wanna find new bands and check out a myspace page… the kids that these illegal blogs are typically saavy enough and smart enough to throw in links for that too. Not promoting illegal downloading here… just saying those kids are able to keep up more than you can because they have way less responsibility and way more free time… if you feel even the least bit old or out of touch, use that to your advantage when trying to keep current.

    But yeah Doc… I agree with a lot of what you said. The vast majority of the kids into “Metal” today just don’t fucking get it, and most of it, sadly, is just a huge trend. Fortunately, the trends get blown up so fast that they become oversaturated faster and die faster now, and I’m glad. I’ll be even more glad when this whole Meshuggah cock sucking trend goes away too. But for now, this is the current state of ‘Metal’… even if ‘Metal’ happens to be a word that all those scene kids absolutely HATE. They’ll either learn to dig it or they’ll grow out of the trend and move on to something else… one way or the other, the Metal Community and all that it’s stood for, for the past 35+ years, will continue to thrive as we move forward.

  • cougar party

    I’m 28 and although I don’t find myself in the pit nearly as much as i used to, but I still have a big passion for metal. Now it’s more about watching the band peform and actually listening to the music in detail than slamming into some random people in the pit. I’d say I’ve gone to way more shows on average in the last 3 years than in the years previous to that.

    Also, I’ve found my musical tastes have become more heavy as time goes by which is typically the opposite of what most people go through. At this point, I’m pretty convinced that I will be listening to metal for life.

    There are good new bands out there, but like Doc said, you’ve got to find them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brett-Stanton/1599722401 Brett Stanton

    I’m 31 and I know exactly where Doc is coming from on this one. I was at an As I Lay Dying show a few weeks ago and thought, “Am I the oldest fucking person in here that isn’t waiting to pick up their kids later?” That’s an eery feeling.
    I like a lot of new metal, but sometimes I wonder if I’m too old for this. But are we really ever too old for Metal? In some regards isn’t Metal about being 15 years old for the rest of your life?

    • http://dcmetalreview.wordpress.com/ Dan-O

      I’m 25 and I feel old, but I feel old because of the band I play in. I play in a, admittedly, deathcore band. I’m ok with this tag because, well, it’s the best way to describe our sound. I feel old for a lot of the reasons stated here, too. Most of the guys in my band are in their early twenties (something which I can’t say I am since I’m looking at the front side of 26) and their experience with heavy music started with stuff like Throwdown and Bleeding Through. Considering I’ll sing the praises of Extol’s “Undeceived” I definitely feel a generation as well as a stylistic gap. Sometimes it’s really hard to play “another breakdown,” but I’ve continued with it for the last two years for one simple reason; it’s fun. I’ve had a lot of fun playing shows with them and laughing with my older friends (and our former guitarist) at the scene/”Kool Moe Dee” kids who come to our shows. I guess that’s something that we all could remember about any new music trend; is it fun? I mean, we can say all we want about “being true” and analyze the fuck out of the music, but this is music, it’s supposed to be fun. So, that’s my two cents, I guess.

      Also, Doc, I can remember seeing you guys tour with Chimaira and Full Blown Chaos back in 2003-04 (I don’t remember which) and being blown away by this band I had never heard of before. I think me and all the 100 something people there became instant God Forbid fans that night. Thinking back to that, I feel kind of “old.”

      • http://dcmetalreview.wordpress.com/ Dan-O

        God dammit, that’s not where I wanted this to post. Oh well, I was going to originally reply to yours by saying, “yes it is still about being 15 years old” and I’ll just piggy back with my comment by saying this; I got into metal when I was 15 because it was heavy a raw and most importantly, fun. So, never lose that fun aspect you had with banging your head when you were 15.

        God, I’m a ‘tard.

  • Anthony

    21

    I just like what I like I guess. If it wasn’t for metalsucks I wouldn’t have known who Kesha is and wouldn’t have visited youtube and listened to “Take it Off” a bunch of times cuz it’s so damn catchy.

  • Vlygar

    I’m 27. I feel the exact same way and have been for a few years now. I also think that if there were internet messageboards back in the 70′s, 80′s and more popular in the 90′s…. people would be saying the same thing. It seems to be a part of maturing. All the new shit coming out and pushed in your face is “bubblegum” meanwhile bands around your age are making either masterpieces or utter shit and should realize it’s time to fade away….. Hey Hey My My…. Well, look what I did, I guess it has been said before, only in song form.

  • Andrew

    I’m 18, fresh out of high school and I’ve got a thought no one seems to have touched on yet. Maybe it isn’t an age thing, maybe it’s more of a thing where you’ve been to show after show after show and have realized that it isn’t always about having just kickass energy every second, but that you can kick back and just enjoy the music and atmosphere and still connect to the band.
    I’ve been to a fairly large amount of shows and I feel like even I’m more mature than half the people in the place simply because I don’t have to look like a total retard to have a good time.

  • DecrystallizingReason

    I’m only 20, but I dislike most “modern” metal even more than you do, Doc. With that said, there are many many great bands out there and as long as there are still metal bands out there that are willing to push themselves and think outside the box, this genre is only going to mature and improve.

  • orbital

    You know you’re old when you’re up at the front of a show and while screaming into the mic being extended into your face, you put your back out because some kid’s crawling over you to scream into the mic too.

  • Conor

    I’m 16 and i find it amazingly awesome to know there are older people who enjoy modern metal. Regardless of the time frame though, metal is metal, and pretty much always will be.

    When im a million years old, I’ll still be listening to fuckin Born of Osiris, The Faceless, Between the Buried and me, and God Forbid, and all the stuff. Metal isnt music to many of us who I consider real metalheads. Metal is a way of life.

    haha. its zen metal XD

    • Dr.

      “haha. its zen metal XD”

      you are what’s wrong with this generation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gideon-McAdams/1343010120 Gideon McAdams

    20

    I got into metal through AC/DC -> Thrash, first concert was CoB/Amon Amarth/GOJIRA in 06. I guess I got into all the bands I liked pretty late, except for Gojira who’ve blown up since then, and now I’m in a prog extreme metal solo project and a thrash band.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Eski-Ortiz/1827275604 Brandon ‘Eski’ Ortiz

    I’m 25. I remember that I used to go to Chain Reaction in Anaheim to catch local shows, starting when I was about 16-17. I saw bands like Avenged Sevenfold (only when STST was out), Bleeding Through, Throwdown, and a lot of other big hardcore acts around our area.

    But it feels like a lot of people here are just trying to re-live the scene, a little bit how some of the Hollywood venues so, and now I just feel old because I want to stand in the back and watch the show instead of be in the pit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alejandro-Aldana/683878171 Alejandro Aldana

    nice to know that i’m not the only one that goes to shows alone. i have friends that are into metal, but everyone would rather waste it on killing brain cells. when i went to go see overkill recently i saw a bunch of old metalheads like maybe 30-50. they were actually the ones acting overly violent.

  • Beat Stall

    32. Will comment on one thing: Doc you pointed out that young bands focus too much on shred. While your comment about soul is valid, compared to the nu metal trend a decade ago, I’ll take too much shred any day

  • Slaughterhouse

    Im 29 and I dont feel old! I am always seeking out new bands and old bands that I hear about! I’m not afraid of hearing changes or differences…EVERY GENRE OF METAL HAS GOOD BANDS AND COOKIE CUTTERS…its just how it is…just takes time to weed that shit out…even some “core” bands

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Micheal-Vanderven/502827008 Micheal Vanderven

    23, been into you guys since i was 17, and i agree

  • AngryGeekGirl

    41. My main problem with modern metal is the trendiness of it. I prefer the older stuff for that reason (and that I grew up with it). Sometimes I think that a lot of the young bands set out with the goal of sounding like everyone else. There isn’t a lot of creativity or vision out there. Most times I can’t tell one of these young bands from another. You change the name and the band members but the sound remains the same.

  • http://raiseyerfists.wordpress.com raiseyerfists

    I’m 23 now, but I felt out of touch for the first time last summer. My band went to play some shithole in the middle of nowhere. The openers did a lot of breakdown deathcore stuff, not that surprising, but then they started doing coordinated squats during the really big breakdowns. It was kind of funny. Then the headlining deathcore band did the same thing. Whoa.

    Every other show we played that summer had at least one band that did coordinated squats during their chugga-chugga breakdowns. It fucking blew my mind. I didn’t care so much about the flat-brims and all that, it really doesn’t bother me, but coordinated dancing? Is that really cool? I definitely missed that memo.

  • PeterVincas

    25, like old from some new eg. some sumeriancore stuff however i cant stand the over saturated deathcore ‘scene’ its quite annoying.

  • Crimsonking58

    15 here (HA youngest one so far) and i competely agree with you. I can’t stand this fucking “core” bullshit. I had that phase in fucking 6th grade. Then i quickly realized how stupid and generic it all was and moved on to progressive metal, and now i’m kind of all over the place, from Godspeed You! Black Emperor to Atheist. Not gonna lie though, I can’t stand all the “tech death” that you all post on this site. Tweedily tweedily breakdown. Yes veil of maya. i’m looking at you.

    • Crimsonking58

      now, this doesn’t mean that i dismiss all bands that tight jean swoosh kids listen to as total crap, i usually give it a shot, but it turns out to be exactly what i thought it was originally. I really do try to be open minded, but it’s tough when everything sounds the same.

  • Dr.

    16, and I feel jaded already

  • elston_gunn

    I’m 33, and while I don’t feel OLD in general, I do feel somewhat old within the context of metal.

    Coming to this site, for example, and reading so many of the juvenile comments makes me feel old — but, then, that could be more a reflection of how juvenile people act on the internet than of how juvenile metal is.

    I was also at the Mastodon/BTBAM/High on Fire/Baroness/Priestess/etc. show in Oakland on Saturday, and that made me feel a little old. There were plenty of people my age there — and some considerably older, even — but the median age was less than 33. And I didn’t get down there and mosh like I have in the past.

    Finally, I’m a college professor — I teach philosophy — and talking to my students who listen to metal makes me feel old. I listen to plenty of contemporary stuff (Mastodon, Opeth, Isis, Agalloch, Municipal Waste, etc.)… but unlike them, I also listen to older stuff. I still listen (regularly) to Testament, Pantera, Megadeth, Anthrax, Iron Maiden, Suicidal Tendencies, Prong, etc.; but by-and-large my metalhead students don’t. So many of them have no familiarity with that stuff.

    • elston_gunn

      P.S. I went to the Oakland show alone. This is *another* thing that makes me feel old. Back in junior high and high school, all my buddies listened to metal. These days they’ve all moved on to other music. Now, I love The Who, and Dylan, and Yes, and so on; but unlike those old friends, I still listen to a shitload of metal.

    • The Metalosopher

      Finally, another metalhead philosopher. More power to you- I can’t wait to finish up this bachelor’s and haul my ass off to grad school.

    • David

      There were plenty of old dudes at the Fox Theater last Saturday (myself included)…but that’s half the magic…seeing friends that you might not have been in touch with for a while, like my buddy Jason who’s a lawyer.

      What’s was up with all the young kids gettin’ drunk and falling down tho? I may be sore when I get up in the morning, but at least I can hold my likker!!!

  • Joe LaForm

    I’m 34. I remember going to see Overkill/Anacrusis back in 1991, Megadeth in 93 (with Stone Temple Pilots,and we booed them off the stage) and feeling like the kid there. You’re only as old as you feel. Fuck it. It’s funny watching kids looking at me, the guy with graying hair and all enjoying the most extreme metal there is. Metal takes me back to my youth, and I think I’ll keep going back as much as possible!

  • http://myspace.com/theswampzombiecult Blake

    I’m 33, and yeah I feel old. I remember being in my late teens and early 20s, convinced I was gonna get signed and never worry about anything except when the next show was. Now I own a house and don’t care to tour anymore. Fuck… actually, it’s kinda depressing.

    As far as tastes go, I’m all over the map. Originally started on Metallica, old-school death metal and such… now I have Between the Buried and Me, Misery Index, Strapping Young Lad and Pantera right next to Greg Laswell and Bruce Springsteen. Not sure if it’s age speaking there, or just boredom. I’m always looking for something else to listen to that’ll impress me.

  • Jack

    I’m 22. I started playing in bands at 13 and actually got to do a little DIY tour with a grindcore band I was in when I was 19. I experience I weird thing because when I was just a little younger, like 17 to 20, I felt like it was very important to only be down with like “true metal” or whatever. i find myself now really getting into stuff that i find really catchy and fun. I still dig on Arsis, Death, and Nile and other bands like that really hard, but I just as often find myself listening to The Acacia Strain or even Parkway Drive. I’m actually pretty into deathcore. Sure its oversaturated, but I don’t think its fair to just dismiss it as a trend either. I think its fun catchy music that does take real talent to play. The problem is that even though I’ve always been a young’un at shows and what not, I think the current demographic for bands like Parkway Drive or even the sumeriancore bands is even younger than me, like teenagers. I sort of feel old, but then at the same time I actually find that listening to music that I enjoy, even if most of the crowd is younger can actually make me feel more youthful as well. In conclusion, deathcore and sumeriancore totally rule, and I feel older than I should at age 22.

  • dax

    I’m 31 and grew up with thrash and saw the rise of Death Metal. Nowadays, to me, most of it all sounds the same…what my parents used to say to me 15 years ago.

  • SouthFL Infidel

    I know how you feel man. I’m 29 also and I’ve been having “back-in-my-day” moments a lot over the last couple of years, not just with music but with everyday life. It seems like people who are 3-4 years younger than you are still in your “loop”…they at least know what you’re talking about when you mention something from back in the day. Any younger than that and there’s a complete disconnect. My partner at work is 21, so it’s weird because since he’s technically an adult, I take it for granted that he knows what I’m talking about in everyday conversation. In this past week I’ve discovered he: had a PS1 for his first video game as a kid and never played an 8-bit NES, he’s never heard of the movie “Dazed & Confused”, he never had a cassette player, he’s never heard anything at all about Waco TX, and had no idea what Miami Vice is. It reminds me of Die Hard:
    Agent Johnson: “This is just like fuckin-Saigon, eh slick?”
    Agent Johnson: “I was in junior-high, dickhead”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamel-Banner/731572742 Jamel Banner

    26 and I feel sorry for fans of metal nowadays cause there aren’t too many bands out now that I’d say are first concert worthy…..just awhile back I attended a show and got to talking with someone and I asked what their first concert was……they said Suicide Silence…..they asked me the same question and I told em…..Pantera. I mean SS is cool and all but fuck that….not first concert worthy. Nope not even close. I can think of a few bands that I would consider first concert worthy and it damn sure isn’t any of those deathcore bands kids are listening to nowadays….

    • http://www.myspace.com/stonecuttersky Cliff

      My first concert was the American Clash Of The Titans. Very worthy I think. Especially when you think of the albums all the bands were touring for. Ahhh the days.

      I’m 34 and feeling old. Playing in a band doesn’t make it any easier. What sucks the worst is when your stuck playing some small local all ages show. Stage time is fine but man, my fucking skin crawls the rest of the time. Its just really weird to be a 34 year old man stuck in a room with a bunch of teenagers. I usually go surf the net on my phone in the van. Just thinking about it makes me sick.

  • David

    15. Started listening to metal with Iron Maiden, Bolt Thrower, Dream Evil, 3 Inches of Blood, and Slayer at age 9.

    Core’s are fucking terrible. I can’t stand cores. Real metal all the fucking way. \m/

  • Gennaro

    I am 17 and I listen to a shitload of stuff. I can’t really keep track of all the new bands (or even old ones) since I am from Ecuador (tiny, tiny country in South America. With dragons, jungle, and all that), so it’s hard to keep on with a scene that doesn’t even have your country in any coming tours.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamel-Banner/731572742 Jamel Banner

      Ecuador…..dude start your own fucking scene…..

      PS: South American metal is WIN!!!

    • GoingDeaf?

      Is there anything more metal than dragons? I think not.

      • Genaro

        I am in a band, actually. Though I don’t think I am good enough of a singer to start a worldwide scene Sepultura-style hahahaha. Maybe one day, one can dream, eh?
        Thanks for the heads up though hahaha, and if anybody in a good band reads this, please come to give a concert in Guayaquil, Ecuador and contact me. I fucking mean it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamel-Banner/731572742 Jamel Banner

          Psst…..Max wasn’t that good either when they started…..hell he really isn’t that good a singer now……AMAZING riff writer though…..especially from Schizo to Chaos AD….

  • ArbySKULLsplit

    25 , On the contrary to most of you, there is still always something I haven’t Listened to yet. And there is always something yet to come out that I’m waiting for.

    BEWARE OF THE LIGHT IT WILLL TAKE YOU AWAY
    TO WHERE NO EVIL DWELLS.

  • http://Www.myspace.com/1000poundsofthrust Redline MX-24

    I play in a band and we all are much older than most of the bands that we play with, but not all. I think metal keeps the fire in you. I will be 40 in 2 weeks

    1000 pounds of thrust

  • Meredith

    I’m 18. I just kind of hold back comments as my friends follow music trends. I swear they all went from like, Simple Plan in middle school to emo, deathcore, and then grindcore in high school. Whatever works for them, I guess.

    But the closest I’ll get to core is like… the occassional Black Dahlia Murder song. And after a while they all sound alike so I go back to Anata or Demilich.

  • Nico

    18

    I just like what I like, whether it’s “deathcore” or “blackened-death-melodic-satan-core”. Labels are just made up by fans or the bands as a way to be creative or funny or whatever. To me it really just comes down to whether or not I enjoy listening to a band. I like plenty of new upcoming bands but I also truly love the bands that started it all. Anything from Sabbath to Within The Ruins, Arch Enemy, Behemoth, The Black Dahlia Murder, Slayer, I love just about everything. Fuck labels, fuck cliques within genres, just listen to the damn music. If you like it, great. If you hate it, then that’s fine too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Sean-Heron/9391234 Ryan Sean Heron

    I’m just always into whatever I’m into. I never pay any attention to fads or whats “popular” or pay any attention to this scene or that scene. I guess that is because I was always a loner as a metalhead. I have lots of friends but none are really into metal . So musically, I have no one to really enjoy my favorite music with . So I really just listen to alot of band and decide for myself whether I like em or not. It doesn’t matter to me what people on this site or anywhere else say about any bands. I decide for myself what I like. I feel like we are in a golden age of metal that has been brought about by bands receiving more worldwide exposure via the internet. I have found so many countless great bands through the internet. I love it. there are so many bands that I love out there making great music. I don’t really yearn for the days of Pantera and old school metallica anymore. I just accept that sounds evolve and new bands bring new things to the table

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Dempster/1375610428 Robert Dempster

    40. my musical tastes have always been all over the map. from ABBA to Zappa and the Grateful Dead to Goatwhore. I listened to a lot of what is considered classic metal growing up and was lucky enough to see a lot of these bands in their prime: Metallica with Cliff, Slayer, Maiden, Dio… I got caught up in the jam band scene in college during the late eighties and left the heavy stuff behind for a while.

    I’ve gotten back into the hard stuff in the last couple of years and was pleasantly surprised to hear a lot of amazing stuff going on. there is definitely a more diverse scene or scenes going on now than back in the eighties. you had hard rock, classic rock, thrash/speed metal and punk/hardcore and that was about it. now there are whole sections of wikipedia devoted to sub-genres and sub-sub-genres of metal.

    I still go to a lot of shows, both classic bands that are still bringing it and the young turks starting to make their mark. I usually go alone but that doesn’t bother me. I’m there mainly for the music and not the social scene anyway. going out to Converge tomorrow and going to try for a double header on Monday: Revocation opening for Job For A Cowboy and then over to catch Hypocrisy headlining at another club. one nice thing about being old and having a decent job is having the money to go to more shows and buy more music and merch.

  • SonOF

    28 I am, and I have feeling similar to Doc’s.

    I sometimes feel the “back in my day” sentiment, but I truly try to listen to new music for what is is, and be as open-minded as possible when listening for the first time. About 10 years ago, there was NOTHING I hated more than the approaching-30 (or older) incredibly jaded metalhead who hated anything even remotely current, and held on to the music of his youth with a pompous death grip. Obviously I love the music that I grew up on and that so profoundly impacted my life, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t discover new acts all the time that I thoroughly enjoy, some of which I will probably listen to for years to come. I think if you stop keeping an open mind and ear to new music and new ideas, you essentially stop evolving, and become a crusty old dinosaur.

    There are some current trends I certainly don’t understand or support, but the same can be said for other trends that were around when I was younger and developing my taste as well.

    I don’t like the vast majority of deathcore, I don’t like bands that simply try to out “brutal” each other while sticking to unoriginal, formulaic, mosh-friendly crud, and on the other hand, I also don’t like bands that go so far down the rabbit hole of being “technical” and/or fast that they forget the whole idea of actually writing a quality, memorable “song.”

    This was awesome and true as well: “The whole ”I’m into death metal/deathcore but I dress like I’m going to see a Big Daddy Kane/Kool Moe Dee double bill in 1988” thing seems a tad misguided, but different strokes, ya know.”

  • Me

    21. I have to say, I do like a lot of the greats (Sabbath, Maiden, Priest), but I just can’t get into old school thrash like Megadeth, Overkill, Testament, Exodus, etc. The vocals are boring to me. I tend to like metal that has groovy riffs. I enjoy the progression from Sabbath groove to Pantera groove to God Forbid groove. I can relate to these bands better. And other than a couple songs, I don’t like deathcore. Yes metalcore with the good-cop-bad-cop style is formulaic, but hey, I’m a sucker for a catchy chorus. So what..

  • todd

    I’m 36, and I agree with Robert. I now have a good job and can experience anything I want. I love all the old school metal but the youth is where it is at. You have to keep evolving.

  • Octillus

    23 and a huge fucking nerd, but not so huge that I listen to power metal. There’s no place for me in the deathcore muscle over mind scene.

    I dunno.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Williamson/516066752 Josh Williamson

    im 19 and i go to hardcore shows and get involved alot but the shitty kind of metalcore shows actually make me feel old and cynical, my favourite bands are mostly before my time
    faith no more, the smiths, frank zappa, gorguts, black flag, cynic ,the birthday party, mr bungle, naked city, botch, cryptopsy, crossed out ect ect
    there is alot of good new stuff its just that all the trendy shit sort of obscures it the dilliner escape plan, animals as leaders , mind eraser, rolo tomassi , pig destroyer ect ect
    also http://www.myspace.com/neveragainxxx uk powerviolence/hardcore band , extremely good/new

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Williamson/516066752 Josh Williamson

    dillinger*

  • Derrick Hubbard

    Wow. My sediments to a capital “T”. I am 24 years old and have been a metal fan literally my whole life. I give credit to my father for this, seeing that we grew up in a household that was very metal friendly. I have been going to metal and hardcore shows since I was 17 years old, and in the fast six years things have changed drastically. Just last week I was extremely excited to check out August Burns Red live in Salt Air (which is the best venue in Utah in my humble opinion). The show was headlined by A Day to Remember, a band who I was not familar with. Prior to the show my best friend and partner in crime for the last 20 years, provided the 411 that A Day to Remember was an “EMO-CORE” band (a suffix and prefix that seem quite contradictory). What I was really suprised at was the turn out. Next to Slayer, this was the most packed I have ever seen this venue. Even more suprising was the demographics of the fanbase. I literally felt like the oldest person in attendance. While by sound alone, I believed August Burns Red was substantially different than the other acts, I was stunned to see 14 and 15 year old kids going nuts for the band. It might sound a bit bitter, but I felt as though my respect and admiration for the band was slightly dimiinished by the fanbase that watched the show. This was one of many incidents in the past year that has stuck me as odd, and left me feeling out of place in a social arena where I used to find comfort. Here are some other incident that have left a bad taste in my mouth.. Last month, I witnessed the mighy Unearth and brutal Bleeding Through on separate bills in a smaller venue. Much to my dismay, many of the kids in attendance were less than excited to see these acts perform. On both occasions I heard kids mutter that these bands were too metal. Too metal? What the hell does that mean. In December I witnessed Suicide Silence play for the first time. While I am not a huge fan of the band, or the “deathcore” moniker for that fact, I was impressed at their live show. When the singer announced that the band had just got off a tour with Megadeth, more than half of the crowd booed. Boo for Megadeth? That might be considered sacreligious. In November I witnessed Throwdown and Bury Your Dead play live. During Throwdowns set, literally 1/2 of the crowd left. Even more appalling was the fact that a group of 8-10 straight edge kids turned their back on the band when they played their new stuff. These same kids cat-called, “play something before Vendetta” or even more interesting, “play an 18 visions cover.” Probably the most disturbing incidence occurred in October when the crowd was lively and excited to see Otep, but didn’t even seem to know who Shadows Fall were. These live experiences have been supplemented by an internet community that seems poised to piss on everything that was once intriguing and interesting about the music I love. I read people hating on Lamb of God because their too metal, As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engage, and All That Remains because they sing too much, In Flames and Dark Tranquility because they all sound the same, and Iron Maiden and Slayer because they are too old. The changing of the crowd at metal shows, and the general negativity of the metal community has left me disenchanted to say the least. Back in 2003 and 2004 I found the metal scene to be so exciting. It didn’t matter if you were playing hardcore or metal, because the genres seemed to blend so seamlessly. The old fans and the young fans seemed to be grouped together, and all generally exited to be attending an exhilirating and exciting show. The tours were much more diverse and appealing to lovers of numerous generes. What happended? Did I change? Did metal change?

    • RebelPyro

      Read my post… I made mention of “Metal” being a bad word to the current generation of sceneagers. Guess not everyone skims through posts like I do to see what anyone else has to say about their experiences… which I should have figured, considering most people that posted calling themselves “old” guys can’t be fucked to look for new music. Such a sad state of affairs.

      To all the guys that consider themselves to be ‘Old’… If you aren’t LOOKING for good new music with the same energy that you used to, you can’t complain and say everything new sucks. If you’re too busy to make time for this anymore, go join your friends in ‘moving on’ to other styles/types of music. I’m typically around 5 – 10 years older than my concert buds and the majority of people going to shows as of late… and I don’t feel old at all. I’m a Metalhead first, and I always will be. Age is not my concern… it’s a matter of matching the history I have from years past with keeping current with what’s going on now, and I think I’m doing a damn good job of it regardless of how busy life can become.

      Anyhow, the point of this reply is to say don’t worry dude… you didn’t change. The music has changed to some degree, but it’s the popularity of it that has definitely changed the way the industry has chosen to exploit it. Deathcore may be on it’s deathbed, but Meshuggahcore is coming in fast to take it’s place, and rest assured this site is already all over it and ready to lick it’s nuts from the cradle to the grave, starting with Periphery and After The Burial…

  • Mike

    19
    Most of my friends are still going through the “br00tal” stage where bands like The Faceless and Bloodbath are awesome. Whereas I’ve recently started listening to more progressive / slower / sludge music, such as Mastodon, BTBAM, NIN, Neurosis. And they think it’s gay and ” NOT AS BRÜTAL AS THE BREAKDOWN IN ‘THE FACELESS – AN AUTOPSY’ ”

    In other words: My friends are still in the beginners stage of metal

  • MK

    38 and my trajectory is bizarrely similar to Robert Dempster’s. I run hot and cold with a lot of new metal, although every once and awhile I’ll discover a new band — right now it’s Bison BC — that just blows my mind, makes me feel lucky to still be a fan. Like him, I saw a lot of bands in their classic stage (Slayer taking the stage in the Reign in Blood Tour still remains one of my greatest concert memories), but I’ve moved to a rural area and don’t get to many shows these days.

    I guess the one perspective age brings to metal is watching the things that used to be scary and countercultural in my day become mainstream and Americana-ized. Seeing that Osbourne family reality show a few years back was somewhat mind blowing for me. Back in my day, he was friggin terrifying — I can still remember this bible-banging family in my neighborhood trying to cast the demons from me because I wore an Ozzy shirt (I was like 10). I was this mellow, harmless kid, and here I was being told that I’m a satanist, that ozzy bites the heads of bats, and so on. If nothing else, that family drove me to seek out the stoners in the park.

    And now Ozzy’s on TV selling cell phones or something, his useless kids are mainstream (or, perhaps, were mainstream), and the football band in my local conservative university plays “Iron Man” during the games.

  • Genaro

    Whoever said that they just listened to whatever they liked because they didn’t have anyone to share it with- I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have two friends who I can share anything with, my other metalheads friends (some of which I converted to “Metalism”) are still in the niche period.

  • http://Www.myspace.com/1000poundsofthrust Redline MX-24

    @ MK & Cliff, Well said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Punch-McChainsaw/100000274695976 Punch McChainsaw

    Turned 29 2 days ago and the article really hit home. I don’t really have trouble finding new music, but I have trouble seeing alot of the new bands as better than the bands I grew up on in the early part of this decade or the late 90′s. I’m also finding that I’m alot more open to finding new music OUTSIDE of metal/hardcore that I would have been in the earlier part of my 20′s.

  • Viking_xxx

    34. I go to a lot of shows and play in a metal band. I think that you are going to see more and more older people staying into metal rather than getting out of it. Look at Lamb of God, In Flames, Opeth, Amon Amarth, Machine Head, etc. The list could go on and on. Most, if not all, of those dudes are in their 30s. They didn’t hit a certain age and say, “I’m too old for this shit. I better start getting into easy listening.” If you are into metal, you are into metal, and your age shouldn’t make a difference. You might not enjoy shows any more. I can testify to the pain of waking up the next morning for work…. It’s not as easy as it used to be! But that shouldn’t stop you from enjoying music at home, in the car, whatever. Mark my words–in another 10 years or so, there will be plenty of gray-haired dudes (and dudettes) into metal.

  • Clayer

    I’m 34. Where’s the next big thing in metal? We need a huge band to rally behind. Theres only so many decent newer bands out, and all the good old ones are past their prime or gone.

  • TZ

    The real difference here is that we have the internet and we can find whatever we want. That means that other bands can find whatever they want, and as a result we get hundreds of bands that sound exactly like one another and who can be found very easily. I think you really have to take it on a band-by-band basis, since bands that can be considered “scene” or who appeal to the same audience can sometimes step out of the box. Example: I hate Suicide Silence’s “The Cleansing”, but I dig “No Time to Bleed”. A lot of what used to be put behind music is gone because people have come to realize that they can just put out what the kids will listen to and get big for virtually nothing, so hardly anyone is inclined to try anymore. Some bands do still put their all into it, though, and there’s no real use in losing hope and listening to what you’ve been listening to for the last 10-15 years and not looking for anything else. Lastly, the thing that’s just as bad as the “core” trend generally is the assholes who blindly say “I HATE ALL CORE! IT’S ALL SHIT! IT’S NOT REAL METAL!” Point A: Is metal not metal anymore when it’s bad? Point B: People really need to keep more of an open mind. This sort of gets to the whole “you shouldn’t just listen to something because your friends do” point, and at the same time, you shouldn’t not listen to something because your friends don’t.

  • Adam

    I’m 26 and I’d say it was alot easier for me to keep up with music when I was still in school (HS/College).

    I’ve never been much of a concert goer but do spend alot of time online so I hear of/come across alot of stuff that way.

    The honest truth is though that for the last year if not two, I’d say a good 90% of the “new music” (not necessarily new bands) I’ve discovered have been from MetalSucks. So in large part, whatever MS deems worthy to mention is almost the only thing that will find it’s way into my music collection, and that’s IF I actually like it. I don’t like everything that shows up on this site.

    For the most part, I don’t really bother with the younger generation (20 and younger), not that I think they don’t have good taste but I know a chunk of what I liked at that age I would either be outright bored by now or just think it’s unlistenable, and that was when I could actually understand such music. Now I hear this deathcore stuff and I’m like “what the fuck would I listen to this for?” but to (some of) these kids it’s the best thing ever. And if I was still a teen right now I’d probably like it too. I went through a phase where anything that had breakdowns make me tingle with joy. Right now i’m in a meshuggah phase so it’s really hard for stuff to impress me.

    It’s a combination of perspective, maturity and natural progression. I’ve seen lots of bands “go soft” halfway through their career and it always depresses me, yet I can even say for myself, having been a musician for 9 years now, I’m not really trying to tear shit up nearly as much as I used to. Melody is king… so I can even understand why bands chill out, even though I still wish they wouldn’t.

  • booortz

    25, and it just makes me feel older to see all the teenagers chiming in on here :(

  • Cat Tyrson

    Dude – You’re not old… But I do understand what you’re going through. I’m gonna be 47. I’m a Horror Writer and Journalist. When I was very young I vowed to always try to stay current. Especially with Metal and Jazz. To some degree I concur that a lot of the new shit has less soul then the old stuff… But ya know what? Perhaps “Soul” is what develops over time…

    Listen to High on Fire’s new one… After listening to it several times the soul of Snakes starts to be apparent.

    Or Howl’s full length… Amazing.

    Gojira… C’mon, I don’t need to say anymore.

    New Metal bands are breakin’ ground and still have a lot of respect for what’s come before. Just talk to the musicians wander around after a set at the Worcester Palladium. Most I’ve met are devoid of arrogance. They’re doing their best… which is a fuck lot more than I can say for lady Gaga Shit Stain or any of the multitude of talentless hacks known as Rappers.

    Sure there’s a lot of shredding but at least it’s talent. Sure sometimes the lyrics are rough but at least there’s a creative spark. Give the new stuff a chance and soon it just seems like you have a lot more old friends to hang around with. And sometimes the old shit does get fuckin’ played out… No matter how great it is or was.

  • chalie

    im 25. it’s been a downward spiral ever since, my first show, pantera/morbid angel in 2001…in a good way. i dont feel like im lost on anything in the scene. i tend to not concern myself with bands that don’t feel real to me. dc is not exactly a thriving metal scene, but with balt and some of the va bands nearby, we get some excellent shows. i go to shows by myself all the time, and i don’t really feel the age difference in general, with the exception of local diy shows. plus im smaller, so i can blend in. but when i discover bands like Admiral Browning (dudes in their 30′s) working their asses off on their music and appreciating people coming to their shows (whether it’s 10 ppl), i really feel like this is why i’m into it so much; that mutual appreciation.

  • Viking_xxx

    And BTW, I might be 34 but I don’t feel old. In fact, I still feel the same as I did when I was 21. So F all you youngsters!

  • Connor

    I’m 19, but I don’t really think I fit the stereotype. Isis, Dredg, Trap Them, Revocation, Kayo Dot, and The Red Chord all get frequent plays on my ipod. Huh.

  • Robotscythe

    To all the young ‘uns here…there WILL come the day when some snot-nosed little shit tells you that everything you loved is lame. Hipness is a fleeting thing.

  • Ziltoid is a Pussy

    28. I know exactly how you feel, but hanging out by the bar is still ok! I just bought Converge tix to Chain Reaction in Anaheim, CA and I am already worried about being the oldest fucker there! By the way, one of my accounts is Walmart and I always browse through the CD’s. I saw Earthsblood at Walmart (WTF?) and bought it cause Metal Sux was kissing its ass, and I like Gone Forever. Pretty good so far! Also, you forgot to mention how the new style of moshing sux and makes me feel old, because I would never be caught doing ninja impressions aka they look like dumb asses! They rarely even make contact. I would like to throw those pussies in an old school 1999 Pantera pit and watch their scared little eyes.

  • Discipleofthewatch

    Late to the party! I’m 30. Last night at the Hypocrisy/ Scar Symmetry/ Blackguard show, one of the guitar players of Blackguard (I think his name is Kim) and I were talking, and it turns out that he and I were born in the same year and the same month. So we were glad to realize that, (we’re bros!) and I would have bought him a beer, but he was getting free ones in his dressing room anyways. Alexi Laiho and I are about the same age, too. It’s all good with me; I don’t care too much so far about age.

  • Lloyd Jones

    18 YOUTH! GONE WILD!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Pravata/622147016 Ian Pravata

    I’m a 34 year old guy.
    What a great article, Doc, and this is probably the best discussion I’ve ever seen here. I always got the vibe that this site was run by older dudes (in their 30′s).

  • Atrocity at its Finest

    Sup Doc,

    I’m only 19 but I see where you are coming form with the youth trends in metal and death metal these days. It’s the “Scene” kids that are ruining it with them only liking the intensity of it. Yeah I will admit i am a very big fan of some of todays death (metal/core), but the kids at the shows DO NOT see the musicianship and the soul as you say. This may just be random constant anger thrown out there but i stand by what i say. “Scene” kids are ruining it for all of us.

  • http://niceblog chtimixeur

    29 and I kinda feel like you when I go at shows.
    I loved the 90′s, and I can’t find a lot of interesting bands these days. I’m too lazy to search for obscure bands.
    IMO, God Forbid, Chimaira and The Haunted are the best things that happened to metal in the 00′s.

  • http://www.angrymetalguy.com Angry Metal Guy

    Posted a blog about this: http://www.angrymetalguy.com/old-dudes-talk-about-getting-old/ — I think old dudes have every right to be cynical and bitter.

  • Isaac

    I’m 15, and I truly am disappointed with the wigger slam and ____-core scenes, and the fact that they’re more popular than, you know, GOOD music. I mean, there are a lot of great new bands out there, but for every good band that’s actually trying something new and making great music, there’s 10 Suicide Silences or Waking the Cadavers that all sound the exact fucking same, and kids my age latch onto that shit because it’s catchy and they don’t know any better. They think they’re br00tal when they run into the center of a pit and flail their arms around, mussing up their perfectly tsunami’d haircut (which they got because they’re so hardcore in their upper middle class suburban homes).

  • Rachel

    I am 18 and a girl, so I find my metal tastes to be scattered and eccentric. Before I ever listened to metal, I listened to what all of my other 7 year old friends listened to- pop. Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears were the shit. The probability of me picking up an Obituary album was virtually none. I still love pop, rap, jazz, folk, classical, whatever sparks my interest. I am adaptable because I enjoy the different kinds, but it also helps me connect with my many social groups. Yeah, at prom, rap/hiphop/dance music is the best stuff to dance to. Rap is the best stuff to get wasted to at parties. I have some friends who are very into the “scene.” They love groups like Eyes Set to Kill, Greeley Estates, and Pierce the Veil. If they turn it on in the car, I don’t have a problem with it. Most of my high school metal friends think the term “metal” means Slipknot, Korn, and Marilyn Manson. What is funny is that most of those kinds of metal fans are very ignorant and think that they listen to the superior music. They can’t let down their facade of being a hard ass long enough to here something decent. My friends realize I’m obcessed with all kinds of music, so they find themselves going to me for music suggestions in a genre. I think the bottom line is that my friends would listen to whatever came on the radio, or whatever people told them was “cool.” If Opeth became the new “cool,” then I’m sure people would listen to it and like it, whether they actually did, or not.

  • vycevictus

    27 here. I dont think sticking to older bands you know while disregarding newer bands is being dismisive or elitist. Indeed, developing a defined and more complex taste for music and not caring about what others think are signs of maturity. However I think another important part is developoing a bond/relationship with a certain band or style and having a commitment to them:
    You learn how to create relationships with and get “married” to certain bands.
    For me, it’s Sevendust. While not metal (at least not anymore), their self titled opened me up to all kinds of harder and extreme music (and damned if that record to this day isnt one of the catchiest yet heaviest things in my collection) I bought every one of their 8+albums up to now and they are touring strong because they have genuine talent, a distinct sound, and most of all they connect with their fans and garner new ones and maintain their base via their lyrics and their stage presence. This is particularly important in metal. If you suck, people can tell. If you sound similar, even if your hot now, you will NOT last very long, and if people are at shows just because you literally fit the bill and they arent actively engaged to see you, you wont garner a fanbase past the fickle teen market.

    All generations find that special band that “speaks” to them, that they get and connect with. Part of the reason that us in the 23-27 age group feel odd about nostalgia from the past 5-7 years is because the scene blew up with a lot of original content, like with metalcore and the first death core elements, and that shit stuck with us. And once you get into em, if they constatntly deliver quality records/shows, of course you want to stay commited to them and see their continued success. Its not so much growing out of the metal scene, it’s really that you and the band are growing up together. Young people deal with hard shit as they grow and some write great music about it to cope. Others deal with hard shit and listen to those records ad see shows to get them through the day.

    Although we more or less seem to agree that the oversaturation of metal means alot of bands out there suck, don’t feel too guilty about not wanting to give newer bands a try. You may have already found the “love of your life.”

  • SonOF

    As an older -28 ;) – lifelong fan of metal, hardcore, etc., who no longer partakes in pit action and instead hangs out on the outskirts during shows, I get really annoyed when these wannabe tough-ass frontmen of bands (especially from younger bands) say shit like “Anyone that’s not in the pit is a fucking pussy..this one is for my people in the pit, THE REAL FANS…blahblahblah…” Note to these idiots: These “pussies” you speak of buy merch, tickets (and sometimes in larger numbers than those in the pit because they are older, and may have better jobs and such), speak to many people outside of the show that buy merch, show tickets, music, etc. and probably make up the majority of your “fans.” So don’t insult over half of your fans, you half-wits. There are perfectly good reasons why they don’t go in the pit, and it has nothing to do with being a pussy. These reasons may include having wives/husbands, kids, and jobs that tend to look down on broken noses, black eyes, and the like, and also these folks tend to have a general sense of responsibility. In addition, many of said “pussies” probably ripped up more than a pit or two 5-10 years ago, while you were still in middle school. Personally, I’m 28, a homeowner, have a wife, and a career as a teacher. Despite absolutely living for heavy music, these days there are dozens of reasons why I won’t jump into a pit and possibly get injured or injure someone else..if you can’t see that, you are just a moron.

  • http://www.myspace.com/mamagoose2008 La Chupacabra

    It’s appears I’ve missed alot from lack of computer usage these passed few days….

    I’m 20. Right now, at this point in time, I am sorry to say that I don’t know how your feeling when it comes to the metal scene and youth that are apart of it. I’m used to people having their own metal tastes that may or may not reflect their age groups. Also, if I had younger friends (the youngest of my friends is 18), then I would be more helpful. All I can tell you is that I feel awkward when I go to a show and the fans tend to be around teenage group or 30-45years old group, depending on the show. I’ve moshed with people from all of these age groups, and I’ve had those “back in my day” for a couple years now. I’m aware that a good portion of the age issue is mental, but I guess accepting age is what drives us to do what we do. Again, don’t take my word for it, since I’ve only been out of high school for 2 years. How mature can I really be?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rufino-Castaneda/100000171789334 Rufino Castaneda

    i really dig some of the new stuff coming out but i still jam reign in blood at least once a week as far as the kids with the neon shirts and tight ass pants and ninjas in tha pit i dont know about that shit ..32 btw

  • erik

    34, and the biggest difference is realizing how god damned boring metal shows are unless you are totally wasted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chuck-Wagner/506137459 Chuck Wagner

    26, married, two kids

    Look Doc. The fact of the matter is this…SLAM and DEATHCORE suck. That is all.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chuck-Wagner/506137459 Chuck Wagner

      Oh and check out my band REDSKY at http://www.myspace.com/redskymetal

      There is a link to our Facebook page with high-quality mp3′s for download as well.

  • Slugger

    I’m 26 yrs old and it dose seem wired going to shows now a days. You look around you and all you see are these teens runing around wearing these god awful shirts with band like Attack Attack and shit like that WTF!!!! your at a Deathfest asshole. o well fuck it what are you going to do?

  • http://superash.tumblr.com superash

    I’m 19 and I’m a fan of MUSIC.
    I grew up on a mix of reggae, lovers rock, punk, black metal and thrash.
    Nowadays I listen to a lot of tech death, electro, house, funky, dubstep, mathcore but I also listen to slam and deathcore. (haters gonna hate)
    (I know that stupid kids are just bummin’ off this new shit ‘cos it’s BRUTAL or “RAD”. but there are a few good deathcore/slam bands out there…)
    And Doc, I’m only 19 and I’m already takin’ a backseat at gigs and just gettin’ drunk with mates by the bar. I still go for a mosh, but I can’t be in the pit from first band ’til last band anymore.
    Also guys what you have to realise is that even though these kids are listening to shitty metal, it’s still metal and it’s helpin’ the overall scene get bigger.

  • HaKeldamA

    37 STILL GOIN HARD AND GOIN TO GIGS. AND THE BLACKER THE BETTER. THRASH HAZ GONE FULL CIRCLE. EMO’S GET FUCKED. YOUR A DISGRACE

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Derek-N-Selle/695396455 Derek N Selle

    I’ve had this discussion a few times recently. A lot of the commenters have made good points though – while I get disappointed that In flames will never release another Colony, nor Opeth another Still Life, I haven’t really done my due diligence in listening to new bands or bands I haven’t heard before. At 26, I would hate for my catalog to be permanently set.

    That being said, the new bands that I have taken the time to listen to have mostly been missing some key element in music that I like. Either there’s an utter absence of melody, the vocals are constantly unintelligible, there’s no emotion in the music, or some other thing and I don’t feel like I should really have to compromise or dumb-down my taste just to expand the amount of music I ‘enjoy’.

  • Rob

    i’m 31 and I try to stay current with what’s going on musically. The problem I have, is that while there are plenty of new talented bands out these days, I listen to the album a couple times and move on.

    I attribute this to either 1. a culture where everything is available all the time (i remember waiting weeks for my Cacophony cd to come from Shrapnel and then listening to it for weeks) or 2. Loving the music I was listening to from 16-20 because I was young and everything seemed new.

    There’s was something about hearing “heartwork” for the first time that I haven’t had with an album for a long time. It’s quite depressing really.

  • Drewbacca

    I agree with a lot you said Doc. I think as culture and art progress over time we can sift through the bullshit. Like you said, it’s not like all current gen. music is awful. It’s just that we’ve had more time as older young adults to hold strong to our preferences and taste. Heck if we were their age we might like some of the shit they listen to as well. I’m sure they’ll regret it one day. I still haven’t forgiven myself for jammin limp bizkit. *shivers in disgust* a few talented young acts to check out are Veil of Maya, After the burial, within the ruins, and circle of contempt.

  • http://www.myspace.com/deviumrocks Chad

    I agree, the true love of music is gone in the new music youth.
    The kids now are too into wearing their sister’s jeans and being as gay as possible instead of playing music.

  • v4twint

    I am 27, and my bandmates range from 24-28, we just auditioned a singer the other day… he walked in and we had talked about banging out some covers to hear his style. I literally went through my entire music library and was suggesting bands to cover: Lamb of God, Mastodon, Pantera, Killswitch Engage, etc. He literally had never really heard a song by most of those bands, and was like, “You’re into that old stuff huh?”

    He then proceeded to list a bunch of bands he did know, all Deathcore, young bands (Bring me the Horizon, Suicide Silence, etc.), and I didn’t know any tunes by those guys… so weird how a generational gap has developed in the metal scene while I am still in my twenties. It was a strange and eye-opening experience

  • Dániel

    “Meshuggah, At the Gates, and Death were seemingly reinventing the wheel.”

    You mean Death invented the wheel, ATG perfected the smooth-rolling type of it and Meshuggah invented the multidimensional hyperspace wheel.