BOB LEFSETZ ON GODSMACK, DEFTONES

Monday, May 17th, 2010 at 12:00pm by

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I’ve gotten out of the habit of reading industry pundit Bob Lefsetz lately. It’s not that I stopped liking the guy or disagreeing with his rants about the current and future state of the music industry; I guess I just got tired of reading about his ski trips, and his new music recommendations are so irrelevant that they threaten the integrity of his industry rants. Still, when it comes to major label / old music biz world shenanigans and calling them out, no one’s smarter or funnier than Lefsetz.

It was actually Lefsetz that inspired me to run my not-quite-weekly Soundscan Chart roundups, and since last week’s charts included some notable heavy hitters and I didn’t do a writeup I’d like to call in Mr. Lefsetz for his own analysis. Of course, in our world Godsmack and the Deftones are ginormous behemoths — two of the biggest bands we ever talk about on this site — but Bob points out that they’re pretty small potatoes all things considered (truth). Still, for someone that’s got little to no knowledge of metal, Bob displays a knowledgeable understanding of each band’s place in the world:

Godsmack “Oracle”

Sales this week: 117,481
Debut

[excerpt]

…I’ll guarantee you almost no one knows Godsmack.  Take a survey, in a country of three hundred million how many even recognize the name, never mind know the music.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.  Godsmack has a hard core fan base.  Which rushed out and bought this album this week. After they’ve all got it, then what?  Maybe there’ll be airplay and sustaining sales.  But I doubt they’ll be anywhere near enough to put “Oracle” at the top of the chart.

In other words, Godsmack had the number one album this week and that doesn’t mean a whole hell of a lot.  Old wave media will trumpet the band’s success…and you wonder why people are avoiding newspapers in droves, tuning out vapid television.  Because in a world of endless information, we want no information not relevant to us, certainly without explanation as to why it should be relevant to us.

And it’s not only music.  They make many fewer movies than record albums, so looking at the movie grosses gives you a better idea of what’s happening in the marketplace.  Then again, what is really happening?  A bunch of adolescents dying to get out of the house went to see a hundred million dollar extravaganza, a visual pinball machine?

But you can fool the audience once, which is what movies are about, but it’s hard to fool the audience again and again, which is why we’ve had so few career artists in the past two decades.  We’re selling our acts like movies, all flash and expensive marketing.  Few care, and those who do partake oftentimes leave the experience claiming it’s crap.  Furthermore, they can go online and find out everybody else thinks it’s crap too.

This baffles the purveyors.  They want to believe nothing’s changed.  But in pursuit of ever higher grosses, to support their lifestyles, they’ve removed the rough edges, they’ve homogenized the product for consumption, they’ve removed the essence.  They’ve turned Coke into New Coke.  And you remember that debacle…

Godsmack is more dependent on airplay than other hard rock acts.  And funnily enough, the less you’re dependent on airplay, the longer and deeper your shelf life in the hard rock world.  But at least the band can claim a number one, can take pleasure in still having a career a few albums in.

But most of us don’t care.

Doesn’t mean the music is good or bad.

Just means that we don’t care and there’s almost nothing the machine can do to make us care.

6. Deftones “Diamond Eyes”

Sales this week: 62,267
Debut

See Godsmack above.  But the Deftones are just a little less mainstream, which means they’ve got a little more credibility and ultimately a little more longevity, they are even less hit dependent.

Not bad for a supposed old fart. In fact, I’d say that analysis is pretty damned accurate.

-VN

  • http://www.heavyblogisheavy.com/ Alkahest

    He thinks Godsmack aren’t popular? What the fuck?

    • msv81

      Godsmack (1998): 4x Platinum

      Awake (2000): 2x Platinum

      Faceless (2003): 1x Platinum

      IV (2006): Gold

      Looks like they’ve become progressively less popular with each release, though it seems “The Oracle” is almost guaranteed to go Gold based on the first week sales, we’ll see if they manage to make it platinum.

      Not sure how I feel about the critic’s article. He makes some good points, particularly about the homogenized nature of most popular music, but that’s always been the case with pop music. MEH.

      • Nick

        well obviously Godsmacks sales are down because the type of music they play was way more popular in 1998 than it is today. Its just how it goes, most bands will only be at the peak for a short period of time before styles of music pass them by and nobody wants to hear their type of music anymore. I am not a huge Godsmack fan or even much of a fan at all, I have heard them get bashed for years ever since I first heard them in 1998, but they are doing something right because their albums sales over the years have been good.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Lekberg/779008102 Jason Lekberg

        That’s simply a decline in the market. Physical sales are down a consistent 30% per year while digital has only be trending up at about 11% per year.

        • Throll

          Well, digital sales virtually only affect singles and therefore causes the album sales to drop but the singles sales to reach higher certifications than the album itself. That’s also the reason why it became popular during the 90s for many major label artists and bands (especially rock groups) to never officially release CD singles, but instead radio-only singles, cause they felt singles sales were “cannibalising” the album sales. In today’s world, though, with digital sales, it’s easier than ever to get hold of your favorite songs to just a small price. Godsmack, however, have barely suffered at all from digital singles sales, with only their 2002 single “I Stand Alone”, from their Platinum-selling Faceless, being certified Gold in the rise of digital downloading in 2006. Godsmack has simply just declined in overall sales album after album since their 1998 debut up to 2006′s IV (new single “Cryin’ Like a Bitch” is however their second-highest charting U.S. single ever, so it seems like the band is making a comeback from the commercial slump of IV).
          It’s also worth noting that many bands that rely almost solely on a strong fanbase (or bands that were multi-platinum succesful in, for example, the 70s or 80s but now have declined in sales and also rely on their fanbase) and not Top 40-singles (or singles at all) are charting higher than ever, or making their best chart success in years, because said Top 40-artists sales go mostly to those singles, while the album sales remains on about the same level as those more fanbase-relying bands. A recent example of this is the Susan Boyle phenomenon, with Boyle’s debut already having been certified quadruple-platinum status in the United States and debuting at #1 with the pretty much complete lack of any hit single, whatsoever.

          Hm. Damn, I’m good.

      • Genial Gentile

        What’s amazing to me is that a band like Godsmack (who I would’ve considered a flash-in-the-pan even back in ’99) has been around and selling A LOT of records for better than 10 years.

  • msv81

    It’s a shame Deftones didn’t sell better. Guess the album leaking a few months early didn’t help matters. It’s among their best releases, hopefully the sales maintain solid numbers. As for Godsmack, meh.

    • getreal

      No honey, you need to read more Lefsetz to understand why “leaking” doesn’t change a damned thing. The reason Deftones don’t sell is because they only appeal to pansyassfratboys and no one else.

  • Mr. censored

    Dumb article. Even if you hate Godsmack, you have to admit that virtually everyone knows their name by now.

    • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

      I think he meant to say that hardly anyone cares about Godsmack anymore.

      • narcopolypse

        household name-wise, godsmack does NOT rate among kanyes, beyonces, taylor swifts. at least that’s what i think he means.

        oh ps godsmack reeks.

  • Lefshitz

    Well, Bob is insightful to a point. He makes lots of waves in the kiddie pool more often than not. But that’s what big kids in small pools do.

    No surprise in Bob’s commentary. What he fails to realize is that even though few know who Godsmack or Deftones are (of his generation, mind you), they’ve been around in the ’90s, get radio airplay, consistently put out albums on major labels, tour (for the most part) and still have a following a decade+ in. Those are career artists, though calling Godsmack ‘artists’ is a bit of a thing to choke on.

    You could also apply this rant to, say, Selena Gomez and the Scene. How many non-teenies have heard her single, “Naturally”, compared to Godsmack’s single, “Cryin’ Like a Bitch!!”? I’d bet the results will be similar.

    If anything Bobbie Boy should be DEFENDING these career artists not disparaging them as non-competes to Sting, The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Madonna, etc.

    Yes, even the insightful can be morons. Bob is a moron this time around.

    • http://www.flamingtusk.com Zosimus

      Uh oh, there’s a cranky intern at Universal.

  • http://heavystreet.com Sat

    Lefsetz makes some good points on his site, but hearing him talk sometimes is like listening to your dad on how todays bands suck, and The Eagles, Beach Boys, Reo Speedwagon were far superior. Bob Lefsetz was fired from Sanctuary, he sounds sometimes like a bitter ex-employee always bashing his former industry.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Horton/1074905683 Tom Horton

    This has to be the worst artcile I hve ever read. Name ANY band who is selling cds like they used to,any genre. You cant beacuse its all availible for free. I did buy Godsmack’s cd and its actually really good.Saying that they arent popular is just pathetic and absolutely wrong. They will be headling major fests in the US this year ( Rock On The Range Saturday, cant wait) and the Deftones will be there to ( stuff ive heard from the new one are stellar ) .
    Anyways you really should be ashamed having posted this article, especially the “see above ” for The deftones part , guess you may have been tired from all that knowledge you have on the subject .
    Any band today would KILL to be as popular as either of these bands

  • bearbomb

    Ever since my car stereo got jacked I’ve been forced to listen to my abysmal, local rock radio station. Recently they decided to bless one of my excursions with the latest Godsmack single entitled Love Hate Sex Pain (*groan*) wherein Godsmack blatantly rips off an entire Red Hot Chili Peppers lyric “By the way I tried to say I’d be there” from their hit By The Way. Now sure this is a completely different type of song, but it’s WORD FOR FUCKING WORD and the dude even sings it the same way!!! You almost have to hear this shit for yourselves to believe it, but I wouldn’t openly wish that upon anyone, so do so at your own risk. Seriously, hasn’t Godsmack ripped off enough (AIC)?! Easily one of my least favorite bands of all time.

    Diamond Eyes on the other hand, fucking rules.

    • William Grimmkvlt

      Plus the title of the song sounds similar to “Blood Sugar Sex Magik”. Man, you must be running out of ideas if you’re stooping to rip off the Chili Peppers, who’ve been running on fumes for a while now.

  • William Grimmkvlt

    I think the last Creed cd sold around the same amount as Godsmack its first week so all that means is there’s about 100,000 + choads who’ll buy whatever Clear Channel tells them to.

    • Anthony

      Why is it that when a band sells a lot of albums and the band sucks it’s because clear channel told people to. People need to stop assuming that people who buy mainstream music do it because it’s the easy way out and cuz it’s what they’re forced to like. I say bullshit, and that they buy said music because they like it. Maybe all these people have done their research and looked into other music outside of top 40 and didn’t like it. Or maybe they like their top 40 enough that they dont’ feel the need to search for underground music. The “If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it” saying applies here too.

      It’s like when Corey Taylor said people download music today because music sucks. Yeah, because people like to download music they hate and keep it on their hard drive and put it on their iPods. People in the 70s clearly would have avoided downloading or getting music for free if the technology or methods were available then.

      • http://www.myspace.com/msrp Nic Heidt

        Nice! I totally agree.

      • nick

        I disagree. I know plenty of people who listen to radio rock and most don’t care to look beyond that so really it’s been my experience that they really are just buying what’s on the radio. Either they don’t know where to begin to find different music or don’t care to. This seems to be the case with older audiences anyway, younger kids find all their music online.

        You’ve never wondered that if real metal bands had the same kind of airplay they would do much better? I certainly think they would but who knows?

        • cougar party

          I think it’s a combination of radio rock being a more accessible form of “heavy” music, high exposure rate (i.e. radio/mass marketing), and lastly some people just don’t care as much about their music as others (as you pointed out above).

          I would imagine many of the posters on this site fall into the catagory of being very passionate about their music; most probably feel it is intertwined with their own personal identity and have spent countless hours listening to music, seeking out new bands, finding out with they like, etc. After honing your tastes that much, a lot of radio rock doesn’t have anything new or interesting to offer.

          On the other hand, a lot of people don’t feel compelled to seek out new music; some people just want to hear a catchy tune.

      • Genial Gentile

        There will always be people that play the role of “tastemaker”… Clear Channel just happens to be one of the largest and it’s for that reason that they work hand-in-hand with the major labels to determine what’s going to be promoted as “the next big thing” across the top 100 markets.

  • alex

    Bob Lefsetz is an asshole. Why the guy is so revered in the music industry is beyond me.

  • Jonathan

    Um… I was at FYE just yesterday, and Oracle was in the number one spot out of the top twenty.

    So this article is bullcrap.

  • ITTOA666

    Cryin like a bitch. Stupid.

  • God I hate high school coaches

    Deftones has been pretty consistent with their fame. They have never been less known or more known through the years, and they definitly don’t depend on airwaves, so deftones will be around for as long as they wish. Also, godsmack sucks while deftones is truely original and strangly creepy.

  • marcus

    Cool interview with Sully from Godsmack http://bit.ly/9i8gEC