MORE ON PAUL GRAY’S PASSING

Wednesday, May 26th, 2010 at 10:00am by

There are really two questions on the mind of every Slipknot fan right now: “How did Paul Gray die?” and “Will Slipknot go on without him?” And, unfortunately, it doesn’t appear that either question is getting answered just yet.

Slipknot, Gray’s widow, Brenna, and his brother, Tony, held a press conference yesterday, but the question of Slipknot’s future wasn’t addressed – which makes sense. These guys are clearly grieving, and to even think about whether or not to try and replace their friend is probably just too much right now. So the press conference basically amounted to Brenna, Tony, and various members of the band eulogizing Gray. It’s sad and it’s touching and there isn’t really much else to say about it.

Meanwhile, Metal Insider reports the immediate results of Gray’s autopsy were inconclusive – although there are no signs of foul play, and it could take four to six weeks for the toxicology reports to be delivered. Consequently, the cause of death is “still under investigation” by the Urbandale, IA police force.

-AR

  • http://www.segadriven.com Hairyman

    Despite the fact that I can’t imagine a world without Slipknot, the guys have said in the past that if a member of the band were to leave, they’d probably call it quits.

    However, it would be cool if they moved on as an 8-piece outfit and move Chris Fehn to bass (seeing as he’s bassing it up with Will Haven). I can imagine the come-back record being one angry SOB.

    But as a fan, I’ve got to respect their decision either way. RIP #2

    • KC

      My bandmates and I were just discussing the fact that Fehn is in Will Haven as a bassist and that could be a solution for them if they don’t want to bring anyone new into the fold. At the same time, like you said, they have always said in the past that they would pack it in if someone left.

      Either way, I’m not near the fan I once was, but I still like to pop in Iowa from time to time.

      • http://www.segadriven.com Hairyman

        It’s not like Fehn hasn’t played bass for Slipknot before: http://www.nme.com/photos/slipknots-paul-gray-remembered/174204/5/1

        :D

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-James-Irwin/612231572 Mark James Irwin

          Haha, that’s a cool pic.

          I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the end of the road for Slipknot. If they were to carry on without Paul, it would be… awkward, to say the least.

    • d.o.g.o.b.g.y.n.

      Agreed. I’d love to see them continue on, but wouldn’t blame them one bit if they called it quits.

      • OVERDOSE

        Of course Slipknot will go on !

        Could anyone name a single band who splitted cause their bass player passed away ?
        Same with the drums.

        By the way, what about the Rev’s c.o.d. ?

        • Jon

          Blue Cheer broke up after their bassist died.
          Led Zeppelin broke up after their drummer died.

          • MetalRod

            Who’s Led Zeppelin?

  • Goro923

    I never thought I’d see Craig Jones without a mask on… I guess it’s worth it to pay his respects to his fallen brother.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dominic-Maximillian-Nunez/1338275285 Dominic Maximillian Nunez

      When I saw them n October at the Palladium I could see him behind the drums getting ready and he had his mask off. He was smoking a cig and I noticed the huge beard. Kinda cool at the time but this is a shitty situation to finally see him in clarity.

    • Vlood

      which one of them was he? i guess the dude who didn’t speak, and not Mick or Jim whom i’ve seen unmasked.

      • Goro923

        No, I’m pretty sure he’s the one between Corey and Joey, with the sunglasses and the cap.

        • Goro923

          Sorry he isn’t. He’s the guy with the glasses and the big beard who didn’t speak

        • http://twitter.com/snakelady SnakeLady

          The guy between Corey and Joey was Tony Gray, Paul’s brother.

      • http://twitter.com/snakelady SnakeLady

        Craig was at the end of the table, beside Chris. Yes, huge beard.

  • Genial Gentile

    I wasn’t much of a fan, but this is still difficult to watch. RIP Paul.

  • brian roach

    Very touching, clearly these guys are very broken up about this. As for how he died, not to be harsh, but I mean, a 38 year old guy with a history of drug problems holed up in an ‘extended stay’ motel not far from him home? What do people think he was doing there, reading ‘War and Peace’? It’s drugs. It’s sad, and heartbreaking, and he’ll never know his child, but let’s be real, it’s drugs! And i’m a fan, I think ‘Iowa’ is unquestionably one of the heaviest most brutal (musically AND especially lyrically) albums of the 2000′s, so please don’t think i’m being disrespectful!

  • Cokane

    One thing i know is Slipknot is too damn huge to call it’s quits forever…but I think they’ll be out of the picture for a long time tho.

  • evrenseven

    I’m very disappointed that they did this interview with their masks off.

    • SourDeez

      A bunch of grown men in spooky masks crying would be impossible to take seriously.

    • Shinaain

      You shouldn’t be. It was appropriate, given the solemnity of the occasion.

      I think it’s a shame his friends and family will have the memory of the huge smile that reflected his reportedly unfailingly affable nature, while the public will only remember the “pig” mask. For all I know, that’s the way Paul would have wanted it. They weren’t obligated to do f*ck all, but his bandmates eulogized him publicly as they saw fit. That should be enough for all of us.

      • http://twitter.com/snakelady SnakeLady

        The internet has allowed the fans to see Paul’s real face, not to mention, he’s done several interviews without his mask. In fact, Slipknot released a tribute video at youtube.com/slipknot of him being interviewed.

        And BTW, Paul hadn’t worn that pig mask in 6 or 7 years… or more. That was all from the early days. He’s had several since then.

        But yes, I agree, masks weren’t needed at the press conference. They weren’t portraying their stage characters, they were being themselves, mourning their brother… all very real.

  • Shinaain

    Since the lineup solidified in 1999, they’ve stated emphatically and with complete conviction that there’s no Slipknot without all “9″ (8, for all practical intents and purposes), but then they’ve said a lot of things in the past they’ve had to eat crow on. Time, age, and perspective do that to us all.

    I can’t watch the video ATM and I’m not sure that I would, but thank you for including it here. They could have just released a statement to the press with all the standard lines about thanking the public for the sympathy and support, and asking everyone to back off and respect the family’s privacy at this time (all of which will always be relevant). They’re very brave for sharing their grief with the public. I don’t know that I could have done it. I hope people appreciate the gesture for what it was, keep the love for Paul coming as respectfully and unobtrusively as possible, and respect their space and the time they’ll need to grieve.

    The Slipknot community has always prided itself on taking care of its own. There’s no better time than now, I suppose.

  • Matt

    Why does it seem like the wife is faky-sad about this? You would think out of all of them, she would be drowning in tears.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carlos-Ramirez/631635101 Carlos Ramirez

      That’s an immature comment.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Morley/618112437 William Morley

      I think the fact that she barely spoke two sentences shows how broken up she is.

    • Igottawocket

      i felt like she was in shock. its a day after her husband died, shes probably still processing.

    • anona

      I seriously think she murdered him.

    • twistedfreak

      Shock and new reports said it was probably an overdose too.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Showalter/100000592087843 Anthony Showalter

      I dunno, I got the same vibe from her.

    • asdfghjkl;’\

      I kinda get the feeling she seems “faky-sad” aswell. But i’m probably just being judgmental. Maybe she’s in shock or just doesn’t feel comfortable being so emotional in front of a bunch of people. Who knows

    • WowWee!

      Look at her stomach and you’ll see why she’s like that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corey-Mitchell/660352330 Corey Mitchell

      As a person who has lost his spouse also at the early age of 38, I can say that every single person grieves differently. Furthermore, I would assume she is still in a state of severe shock at the realization that the father of her unborn child is no longer with them.

      One thing I hated after becoming a widower at the age of 36 was everyone trying to tell me how to grieve. I say to you, as I said to many people back then, “Fuck Off!” It is not your place to try to determine if someone is grieving properly.

      If you want to fulfill your ghoulish fantasies, ring her up in about 2-4 weeks when most of her support group realizes they have to get back to their lives. Ask her how she feels as she spends three hours crying her heart out on the kitchen floor when no one is there, or when she “sees” Paul walking down the street and calls out to him only to realize it’s not him and that the nightmare has not ended.

      For now, let her bury her husband in peace, the way she wants to or needs to. This has nothing to do with you.

      And, please, be sure to report back here on how you grieved after you lose your spouse prematurely. We’ll be sure to grade you accordingly.

      • Shinaain

        I’m glad I left this. My knee-jerk reaction was to respond on behalf of every widow/widower I’ve ever known (and I’ve known too many) who still speak out loud to their deceased spouse as though they were still living and present, or blame them for the fact they aren’t still. Then, I realized I couldn’t possibly speak to their pain on any visceral, meaningful level.

        I can say only I’m sorry for Brenna’s loss, and for yours, Corey.

        • MetalRod

          Amen to both of you Corey and Shinaain… Grieving is hard and there’s no right way to it. Never easy.

  • Shinaain

    Being that Craig’s inaccessibility has always been something of a “charm” for the band, if this is the only occasion to get him to break it, then I hope there’s never occasion again. I already wish we could take it all back.

  • Spanky

    I hope Stone Sour stays in the studio a wee bit longer and have all the Slipknot guys appear in a rememberance song for Paul, sure that idea is probably a long shot but it would be a great tribute, especially if Slipknot called it quits

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Zink/1457523384 Andrew Zink

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  • Igottawocket

    I don’t like Slipknot (or haven’t for the past 4 years), but man… that video is touching. They all are so profoundly effecting by his death you can tell. Feel bad for the band and his wife. Whatever I think about their music its so sad to see this. RIP Paul.

  • Mr. Parker

    She has probably hit the first few stages of grievivg already. She was married to him, she probably knew this was coming at some point and was some what prepared.

  • trapped_under_meth

    This was extremely classy.

    You can sense the tremendous bond those guys have for each other.

    I hope that provides some comfort to his wife. It will also be an amazing thing for his daughter to see when she is older.

    There have been a lot of comments on a lot of sites by people who seem to think that having a drug problem is a capital offense. It may be a self inflicted tragedy, but it is a tragedy nonetheless. His daughter will grow up without a father. His wife without a husband.

    RIP.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

    Is there a reason why Mick Thompson looked so ‘closed’ during this? Has he always been reluctant to talk to the media? Was there some kind of rift between him and Paul? Or was it purely down to his emotions over the situation?

    I’m not asking to be a dick or anything, (I’ve assumed it’s due to his loss and resulting emotions), I just don’t know enough about Slipknot, or Thompson himself to tell if this is normal for him or not?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Barrie/695461310 Sean Barrie

      Mick has always been closed off from people (media too). That, coupled with the loss of his friend and brother, will pretty much yield no statement from him. I doubt there was any serious rift between him and Paul.

      I really hope they find a way to keep making music following this. I can’t really imagine what they’re feeling right now, but I think that the music they make, and the passion that they have for it will spur them to make more music. But obviously, they need a period to grieve and collect themselves.

      Rest in peace Paul.

    • JC

      To me,he looked like he was holding back tears,probably trying to restrain himself. I mean,he looks quite rigid sitting there…who knows.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

        I pretty much thought it was his coping mechanisms for the whole thing, some people just kind of shut down in those situations.

        I was just curious if there was anything below the surface that I wan’t aware of.. But I guess not.

        • JC

          Nah, they’re supposed to be “bros forever” or something, I have never seen such a large lineup lasting so many years, and never fighting (at least,not in public). In the fixed camera live recording on their site, you can see him clearly trying to stay rigid, and if he had any beef with Paul he certainly wouldn’t show it one day after his death…

          Besides, fuck man, sunglasses inside? Big fuckin sign of stupidity or trying to hide red eyes/tears.

          • Shinaain

            JC, Mick always wears sunglasses – when he’s unmasked and on camera, at least. Not everyone relishes being on camera, especially not someone who’s made a career out of (now, marginal) anonymity.

            As for Byron’s original question, everyone deals with grief in their own way and Mick has never been known to be a demonstrative person. His grief and his feelings are his own, and it’s his prerogative to mourn his friend privately and without public display. I can’t watch the video from the connection I have, but what you just described is Mick’s demeanor in every video I have ever seen of him. When he smiles, it’s pleasing but startling, because it seems rarely seen.

            So everybody go easy on the big guy, huh?

          • http://twitter.com/snakelady SnakeLady

            Mick Thomson is extremely intelligent. Trust me, there’s not a single ounce of stupidity in that man.

            He’s obviously in extreme pain but doesn’t like to show it in public. I noticed on a different POV video, that Mick put his hand down once and then quickly decided to put it back in front of his face.

            So yeah, he’s grieving for his brother and isn’t comfortable being emotional in public. (I’m the same way). Give him time.

  • SolaceInNothing

    You know if it wasn’t for Slipknot I wouldn’t be listening to any of the extreme metal bands that I listen to today.

    Coreys deep gutterals on people = shit directed me towards death metal
    Joeys influence got me into black metal
    Slipknots self titled album;s manic chaotic riffs got me into grind

    To be honest I kind of forgot about them, not snubbing them, just am constently looking for the next new interesting or different band to listen to. I think Im going to be going back into my catalogue this week and rehash what I love about this band and what I love about metal.

    RIP PAUL

    Maggot4life.

    • Druidus

      I can’t agree with you more good sir. Slipknot was the band that really got me into extreme metal and i’ll always respect them for that.

    • MetalRod

      for sure man, same boat.

  • Perpetual Black Screen Name

    Wow, really sad. It’s easy to forget that these guys are human sometimes. They’re constantly jumping around on stage in jumpsuits and freaky-deaky masks screaming obscenities and throwing the bird up to the world. They want to immerse the audience and make them believe they are those characters. To see them that vulnerable and just, so human tugs on your heart strings.

    My condolences go out to Slipknot, Gray’s family and his wife and unborn child. It’s a shame she’ll never get to know her dad because from the way they were talking about him in this video, he sounded like a really nice, caring dude.

    Regardless of the career and musical decisions that Slipknot has made in the past couple years- -it is a hard thing for me to think about the world without Slipknot. When I was 13, I heard their self-titled record and it was the first time I heard angry, aggressive music that really spoke to me. Now, I’m not gonna’ lie- -I kinda fell off the wagon when Vol. 3 was released and their music took a little bit of a different direction, but I have never stopped listening to the bands first 2 records. Folks, let’s face it, Slipknot died with Paul Gray. I really don’t think they will continue without the founding member of the band. This is just a terrible situation for their fans all around. First the maggots loose somebody that a lot of them look up to and now, their namesake is done for. This is a dark moment for metal.

    RIP- Paul Gray. You had a lot of people who loved you man. And they’re all gonna’ miss the hell out of you. You’ll live on forever in your music and you’ll never be forgotten.

    • msv81

      There will be a lot of speculation leading up to the band’s final decision in continuing or not. As others have mentioned here, the band’s attitude has always been “it’s all of us or none of us”; however, I’m not sure that statement necessarily involved the thought of one of them dying so prematurely.

      Between Joey doing Murderdolls again and Corey/Jim doing Stone Sour for the next year/year and a half, it wasn’t as if Slipknot had new music coming out anytime soon regardless. Bands do go on, however. The most recent example which can be likened to the Slipknot situation is The Deftones; by all accounts, Chi hasn’t made nearly any progress since his accident and, sad as it is to say, he probably won’t be playing music ever again even if he does end up surviving the whole ordeal (of course I’m wishing my best for him to fully recover). The band could have folded right then and there, but rather they shelved “Eros” and subsequently released one of the best albums of their career, becoming reinvigorated and renewed by the whole experience and in turn uniting as a band with a mission.

      I am a longtime fan of Slipknot; I managed to get my hands on their original demo tape (the one with “Surfacing” and “Spit It Out”, not the older ones with the previous – i.e. non-Corey lineup) at a show in 1998. Upon hearing it, I immediately fell in love, I remember thinking, “This is the heaviest band I’ve ever heard, it’s everything I’ve ever looked for in a metal band!” My best friend, who was/continues to be a major computer nerd, was into the whole IRC “scene” way before most people had ever heard of it and he got ahold of the self-titled record about a month or two before it dropped in stores. We listened to it non-stop on repeat for months.

      Then, the trend continued on Iowa and, even though a lot of original fans were turned off by it, I think Vol. 3 is an amazing album as well. Unfortunately, AHIG is the first record where I actively dislike a few tracks while several others are simply ‘meh’. I think Slipknot has a chance, if they so choose, to use Paul’s death as a catalyst to put out the best album of their career and THEN call it quits. My assumption was that they had one more album in them and then they’d each move onto other stuff for good. I sincerely hope they write one more in Paul’s memory, then step down admirably.

      • Sickboy666

        Totally agree, dude.

  • http://www.segadriven.com Hairyman

    Now that I’m home and I’ve finally had a chance to see this, that was really difficult to watch. You can see they’re all having a really hard time dealing with this and I’ve gotta commend them all for having the balls to do something like this. Sid’s reaction near the beginning was breaking my heart.

    • RayRay

      Yea seriously man I mean these dudes prob never thought in a million years that they were going to be as big as they are and even with all their “internal” problems every member I am sure is very close at the end of the day. This fucking sucks along with all of the other deaths in metal this year. I loved on their DVD when SID went into the crowd and started moshing during “Spit it Out” and you see him drill some dude in the face. EPIC

  • Mr. Parker
    • http://www.segadriven.com Hairyman

      Ah shit man. A lot of people call this sort of act ‘selfish’ but you gotta think, what was wrong with the man before to make him think this was the only way out?

  • djabthrash

    RIP

  • pierce

    holy shit, talk about family. that brought tears to my eyes

  • http://facebook.com/rodolrocks Rodol

    its just me or someone else can see that paul`s wife its faking it?

    • panda

      Yeah, a lot of people have pointed that out.
      I put it down to her just being in shock though ..

  • fervillalbad

    As a person, I really think is sad that we lost Paul. But on the other hand I see so much similarities between metallica and slipknot. both of them lost their bass player when they were getting big. in the beginning metallica was as heavy as slipknot, but as time goes by, they are getting softer. slipknot is the only band in this moment that can play large arenas with heavy music as metallica does. so, as I see it, slipknot will be replacing Paul as fast as metallica did it with Cliff…

  • MetalRod

    Can’t bring myself to watch this, RIP Paul

  • dianna

    Paul is clown for gods sake, please show some respect for Slipknot.. I am greiving pauls pasing much like his friends are.

    You need to go on to your so called gay music comment on it , because you act likr librache