QUESTION OF THE WEEK: SHOULD BANDS PLAY THEIR ALBUMS LIVE IN THEIR ENTIRETY?

Friday, June 18th, 2010 at 3:30pm by

Welcome to “Question of the Week,” a (sometimes) weekly debate amongst the MetalSucks staff regarding a recent hot button issue.

Inspired by Phil Freeman’s assertion that the trend of bands playing albums live in their entirety needs to stop, this week we decided to ask our writers that very question:

Should bands play their albums live in their entirety?

Their answers after the jump.

Even if the current trend has gotten a bit out of hand, I think it’s still fun. Who doesn’t want to see a band’s classic album performed from start to finish, the way you used to listen to it? You could argue that this trend has grown trite, but I think this trend is going to keep itself in check because by its very nature, it can only be done once per band. If Metallica had done a …Justice tour after their Master of Puppets tour, and then they’d done a Black Album tour after that… well, I think the novelty would’ve worn off by then, regardless of what you think of those albums, and people would start demanding a regular set. And no band in their right mind would actually do this. So let’s enjoy it for what it is — a one-time special event — and then get back to the regular stuff.

-Vince Neilstein

I feel like it should bother me. Like most trends, it’s been so beaten into the ground that it doesn’t feel special anymore. I mean, in a sense, Slayer are doing what Vince just said bands shouldn’t do – maybe they didn’t do a Seasons tour immediately following their Reign tour, but this is now the second album they’ve done live from start to finish in four years. And Megadeth are playing the same album that they just played on their very last tour. There’s something about it that just seems kinda lazy. It doesn’t require any thought – “We just have to learn these X number of songs, and tell everyone we’re doing this, and they’ll all show up.” All of that being said, it really doesn’t bother me – the times I’ve seen this done, from Slayer’s Reign to Metallica’s Master to The Faceless’ Planetary Duality, I’ve had a blast. And I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t stoked to see Slayer do Seasons and Cynic do Focus (and Megadeth do Rust, since I skipped the last tour). So I guess, for me at least, emotion wins over intellect in this instance.

-Axl Rosenberg

Absolutely. As a fan, you would almost certainly hear (at least some of) that band’s “hits” in a normal set, but hearing a “classic” albumin full live is a special treat. Pull any album that you love from your collection and compare the tracklist to a setlist from thatband’s latest tour. Any songs on that album you’d love to hear live that aren’t on it? I thought so! Yeah, this Don’t Look Back concept is starting to cause grumbles (mostly by bloggers, who basically live to grumble), but at least for now it seems like a good way to sell concert tickets. Considering that even legacy artists aren’t really making money off of record sales these days, nobody can begrudge a subsection of them the right to earn some financial reward on the road.

-Gary Suarez

Like my comrade Axl Rosenberg, I was pumped when I first heard of Slayer playing Reign in Blood front to back in concert. One of the best, most solid metal albums of all time being replicated by a band still on the top of its game in a live setting was a win-win. Then, it just kept happening. Not that Slayer were the first band to play one of their albums all the way through, but since then, it’s just gotten more and more lame, a way to get fans to your shows by playing on their most nostalgic urges. And 1) as time goes on, it becomes more apparent that the whole thing is just a cynical and blatant cash grab and 2) especially in a genre like metal, where a big problem is bands being so technically savvy that they manage to simply recreate their songs onstage verbatim, what exactly is the difference most of the time between throwing the CD on at home and seeing the band play it live, aside from 4-5 fat, sweaty guys playing it at the front of the room? While there are still times when this shtick works in a band’s favor (I saw Mastodon play Crack the Skye in its entirety, and despite it being an album I thoroughly disliked, I actually found myself enjoying it in concert), I think, as a whole, it’s transparently gimmicky. Take the extra twenty minutes and make up an actual setlist.

-Sammy O’Hagar

No. I’m a firm believer in maximizing the specialness of the live medium, part of which is due to not knowing what the band’s going to play, hearing a special cover or rare track or new song that you can compare with the older stuff. Playing an entire album flattens the experience by taking away that random element. That said, I’m okay with the practice if it’s a legendary band that tours alot. Slayer basically plays the same “greatest hits” set every time they tour so I’m not going to complain if they do Reign in Blood start to finish; Cynic has gigged a lot in the last couple years, and even though I like Traced In Air more than Focus, very few of the Focus tracks get played on tour, so it’ll be a thrill to hear the entire album on their upcoming tour. But for a band without the clout of those to, skip the full-album treatment. Bands shouldn’t just try to re-create albums in a live setting — if anything, it should be the other way around.

-Satan Rosenbloom

In general, I would say that bands should not. I usually feel dissatisfied when bands load their setlists with music from only one album, even if said album is a masterpiece – I want to hear other stuff, too. I hear/see this to a lesser extent when bands load the setlists with material from a recent release. It doesn’t really make sense to do so, because the band will simply not be able to satisfy all of the fans, who will other want to hear other material (especially if the album was regarded as less-than-favorable by the general public). However, I do see the appeal of bands playing older, classic albums. Those are the kinds of albums from which material is rarely played, so fans enjoy hearing just one night of old songs. But really, most of the bands that do this announce it in advance. So it’s not really an issue, as those who like the album the band is playing can go and those who don’t can save money and not make a big deal about it.

-Dave Mustein

Okay, kiddies, now it’s your turn! Weigh in with your answer to the question of the week below.

  • Joe

    If the album hovers around the 45 minute mark then it’s no problem. There’s still another 45 minutes to fill with the classics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Vanderven/502827008 Mike Vanderven

    i remember recently that Norma Jean did a full tour playing their first album, start to finish

    i thought taht was great considering thats the album i got into, so its great for the older fans, the ones who got hooked ont he first album

    like all shall perish, if they played their first album for an entire tour, that would be great

    so yes, it is good, and its fun for the bands and the fans.

    i like the idea… but why is this such a big deal?

    • yetzer hara

      it’s not a big deal. suarez hit the nail on the head. bloggers like to grumble about whatever they can grumble about. granted, i’m sick of seeing mastodon play “crack the skye” over and over again, but it was great to see it the first time, and it was great to see slayer play “reign in blood,” BTBAM play “colors,” and whoever else i’ve seen play their full albums live.

      i’m totally down with the idea, just don’t do the same album for more than one or two tours (mastodon).

  • matty2fatty

    I’m not usually picky, but…

    ‘Bands shouldn’t just try to re-create albums in a live setting — if anything, it should be the other way around.’

    so, albums should re-create bands in a live setting? Live settings create albums? I don’t get it

    • vagoo

      i think he is hinting at the whole overabundance of “production” on albums…. as in… bands should allow their “live” recordings (really just a representation of performances, practices etc) to be reproducible on a recorded medium with the same emotional content (not an easy thing to do… Krallice anyone?)

      So there: albums should be a representation of a live performance (I’m not saying that, I just think that is what he is saying)

      • http://www.cerebralmetalhead.com Satan Rosenbloom

        vagoo, that’s exactly what I was going for — I’m always stoked when a studio album is able to capture the electricity and energy of a live show. Sometimes it’s a moot point because the band sucks live, or, in the case of a lot of bedroom black metal, the band doesn’t tour at all. But I’m always sadder when a band’s recordings don’t capture their live energy than when a band just isn’t great live.

  • Ryd1ZZ

    I just fucking love live metal. I’ve seen BTBAM, the Faceless, Mastodon, Opeth, all play albums live. I’ve also seen them all play regular gigs (minus Mastodon, that was my first time seeing them). I loved every show and will continue to do so. Bang your fucking head!

  • Sean

    I think it works for 2 main cases. It’s great for classic albums like Reign in Blood, Rust in Peace, etc and then for concept albums where the songs were meant to go together, like Crack the Skye and Operation Mindcrime. In both cases bands usually play other songs too outside of the entire album so its not like they get real ‘lazy’ creating set lists. In these scenarios I look forward to it and enjoy the experience.

  • Sam

    I think playing an album in its entirely should be reserved for a great band on a special tour. I was at Opeth’s 20th anniversary show in NYC where they played all of Blackwater Park and then one song from each of the remaining albums in chronological order. I thought that was a cool idea, but it was only appropriate because it was also the 10th anniversary of the release of that album, and they also kept that ‘what are they going to play next’ element for the second half of the show.

    Earlier this year I also saw The Faceless play all of Planetary Duality. While I enjoyed it thoroughly since I love every song on that album, I really wished they had played more than ‘An Autopsy’ from their previous album. So if an album is going to be performed in its entirety, the full set has to be much longer, like Opeth’s 3 hour show.

    I have a ticket to see Cynic on the tour that Satan Rosenbloom mentioned, and honestly I will be disappointed if they only play one or two songs off of Traced In Air, which I find much more interesting than Focus.

    • http://www.metalsucks.net Dave Mustein

      Yes, there are a few exceptions. I was at the Los Angeles Opeth show and found it to be one of my greatest concert experiences. But on the whole, I’m not so sure. And like you said, they kept the “what will they play” element.

      • bubbles

        I agree, that was one of my favorite concerts OAT, and I’ve been to well over 200. Opeth!

  • Genial Gentile

    From what I gathered from the write up, this would be a good rule of thumb:
    Unless you are a legacy act that has made an undeniably groundbreaking and universally revered classic album…just stick to a regular set list.

  • Honeynutzz

    Would much rather hear Skeletons Of Society or Blood Red from Seasons then hear Disciple again for the 100th time. I think older bands like Slayer or Megadeth should do this more cause the greatest hits type set list just gets boring.

    Also I wouldn’t even call this a trend sure there’s probably been an increase in bads doing it lately, but it always get blown out of proportion simply cause it’s not the norm.

  • Justin

    if the album was really written as a cohesive piece of work (concept album, suite, etc.), why not? but if it’s just another album, not such a good idea.

  • Moose_Knuckle

    The only time ive ever seen this was when i saw fantomas play the directors cut in its entirety which was obviously an immense thing to see. Of course your gonna have hordes of fans that arnt pleased in most cases, but i guess its just down to the band to gauge weather the album is liked enough and suitable for it.

    There are some albums by bands that i love that i wouldnt be all that bothered about seeing live, like divine intervention, hell awaits or a matter of life and death. They just dont seem appropriate.

  • Ian

    I’m pretty sure I answered this question on Tuesday

  • dokurochan2

    Crack the Skye is great but it helps if everyone in the band has it together and one member isn’t a whiny alcoholic child

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Lekberg/779008102 Jason Lekberg

    Absolutely. In fact, come see my band any time you want and we’ll play our debut album in it’s entirety.

  • shotkocker

    it really just depends on how much you love the band. i just saw the deftones play a 2 and 1/2 hour set, while they didnt play ‘diamond eyes’ in its entirety, they did play a majority of the songs off it. on the other hand, clutch just released a dvd of them playing their first cd in full and it really wasnt that special.

    all in all, if the band plays an album in full it either shows that they really love the music or theyre just lazier than shit.

  • http://raiseyerfists.wordpress.com raiseyerfists

    I enjoyed hearing Crack The Skye live the first time, but I don’t need to hear it anymore. Won’t be paying fucking $65 to watch them play it AGAIN this fall. I’m pretty excited to see Seasons and Rust in Peace, though I probably wouldn’t need to see them twice. Got to see Clutch play their self-titled, that was a treat, and from what I understand they only did it at like 4-5 dates, I think. So I guess I’m not against the idea, but in small doses.

    • bubbles

      to each his own, but to me Crack the Skye is, as an album, superior to both RIP and Seasons. I say this with Seasons being my favorite Slayer album by far.

  • Ahab

    When old bands play old albums live its cool but definetly a schtick. On the other hand I absolutley love seeing new bands(the good ones anyway) play new albums in full. Can’t wait to see if the bands on the blackdiamondskye tour do just that, Mastodon and Deftones anyway, AIC-Layne=bleh

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Saul-Guardado/15110212 Saul Guardado

    I do enjoy the randomness of a live show. It creates anticipation. You go to a show hoping the band will play your favorite song and you wait all night for them to play it. I always love the anticipation because it makes it that much more exciting when they play the song you were waiting for.

    On the other hand, I like when bands like BTBAM play their albums all the way through. Colors is a given. That album needs to be played as a whole. Even though The Great Misdirect isn’t a concept album, I’d rather them play it all the way through than mixing it up. On their last tour, they mixed albums and I felt blue balled because I’ve always listened to Colors all the way through and it felt weird only hearing part of the album. I don’t think I’ve ever listened to Colors out of order.

  • no-ghost

    Riddle me this, riddle me that…. who uses the same question mark with the big black bat.

  • hogan

    My favorite concert I ever went to was a darkest hour show where after their normal set they played Veritas, Aequitas in entirety. it was awesome, the venue was small and intimate.
    pure bliss

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Baldwin/1041430031 Brian Baldwin

    I’d agree that it’s a bit gimmicky, but it can pulled off by the right band…

    I just watched the DVD of NIN last show where they played The Downward Spiral in it’s entirety. The best part of it is after about the 3rd song you can hear a guy next to one of the people filming say “Holy shit are they gonna play the whole album?” If it was a surprise to hear a classic album that would be way more awesome instead of announcing it as your whole tour.

  • Chimp 0 Neg

    Saw Fantomas play Directors Cut and it was fucking sweet. Except they mixed up the tracklisting to make it more interesting. Having said that, the set ended pretty quickly with Patton saying “what? That’s it! There’s no more songs on that album”.

    Loved seeing Crack The Skye, but twice was enough.

    In the main, the concept is tired though. Why dont bands cover someone elses album in it’s entirety instead?

    • http://headofdevin.blogspot.com Devin Best

      The crappy jam band Phish have been covering entire albums for years. None of the albums they chose were any good though, but they were the first I heard to do that.

  • Vlygar

    I think it’s a fine idea if it’s a major band headlining a show. Not only will they play an album in it’s entirety, they’ll play a few favorites before or after the album as well, nobody loses. It’s also fine for an opener that’s just rising up basically because that half-hour of songs that they’ll play is the whole album that they just released.

  • http://heavystreet.com Sat

    The answer is a resounding YES!!! Just look at Iron Maiden. Are they THAT delusional that they think fans want to sit through two hours of hearing new stuff after 2001, instead of playing Piece Of Mind in its entirety?

    I would pay top dollar to hear Trixter play Hear in its entirety.

  • dickhole

    all i gotta say is you guys are definitely over thinking this….. let them do what their gonna do. if your a fan your gonna like it!

  • SON1KdethMUNKY

    I say yes, but only on some occasions.

    If the set is just the album and then the band is done playing, no.

    If it’s a few mixed bag songs followed by the album, yes.

    I’ve seen Slayer and Primus do the latter and both were well worth it.

  • http://headofdevin.blogspot.com Devin Best

    The Who and Pink Floyd were performing their albums in their entirety live years before this trend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kasper-Maigaard/1027001938 Kasper Maigaard

    I think Megadeth have done this exactly the way you should: some new shit –> Rust –> some old shit. Rust is tucked in, nicely, between stuff off of Endgame and stuff from some old random albums and the end-result is just a really, really, nice concert.
    I don’t know if Slayer did the same with Reign, but if they didn’t, the concert would’ve lasted just about 33 minutes. And that’s very short.

  • Bilbs

    i dont like the trend
    im going to see a good band for all there music just not 1 album
    then im goina miss out on alot of my favorites
    soo yeah haha

  • Anthony

    Somewhat off topic, but in response to Axl’s statement on if Metallica played other albums after MOP in their entirety live, I remember reading an article late last year about Metallica possibly planning 10-ish shows that would be their version of the The Wall

    http://consequenceofsound.net/2010/03/17/metallica-prepare-for-wall-style-tour-in-2011/

    The 10 shows only is not surprising since Metallica’s pretty much been touring non stop since the Summer of 2008, but I was thinking “hmm, why 2011?”

    Then it hit me: The Black album came out in 1991. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did some sort of video show behind them with the music videos for that album or some other fancy thing while playing that album from front to back.

    I’m totally just speculating here, but I think that could be a cool idea. I know the Black Album is almost a half/half some like it some don’t ordeal with metalheads (as opposed to the Load and Reload albums which the vast majority of metal fans dislike) but i’ve always been a fan of that album considering it was the first Metallica album I ever listened to.

  • brandon

    its a good idea for the fans who are too young to have seen it in the first place (im 15 so rust in peace is HUGE fore me to see), but doing albums they released a yeaar or two ago is dumb

  • Anthony

    Also, about the whole “randomness” thing, considering once the first show is played the setlist is online, the randomness is gone and you end up knowing what they’re going to play. Yeah you can say “i’m not going to look at any setlists”, but I get way too tempted.

  • bubbles

    generally, no. Rush are playing moving pictures, which is fine, but it’s not a concept album, per se, afaik. Waters is playing The Wall this fall. This works. The Opeth tour for Blackwater Park worked, b.c of its exclusivity. Generally, albums aren’t worthy of a play-through. Certainly not RIP or MOP. I could see Wishbone Ash playing Argus, but then it was revolutionary in many ways (yes, i am old). Maiden’s AMOLAD = no. As good as it was it wasn’t worthy of a play through.

    There needs to be some lyrical and “narrative” coherence to justify a full album play thru — or it needs to be a bona fide classic. like Blackwater Park, or in fact, Crack the Skye.

  • Scourge441

    I’m totally fine with it as long as it’s done as an event.and the performances are truly special. If you can’t make the album better by performing it live, there’s no point.

  • http://www.midwesternmetalhead.blogpsot.com Joseph Strombladder

    OK, here’s my two cents:

    It depends on the album, obviously! Here’s the guidelines that spring into my head:

    1) if the album is not a concept album, or at least somewhat thematically linked (planetary duality, master of puppets) it should not be done. Cohesion is what makes ana lbum as a whole an album, period the end.

    2) if the album is more than 45 minutes long, it should not be done. Also, if the set would consist entirely of said album, it should not be done. Basically: sweeten the deal, we can all listen to the album alone anytime

    3) If the album is not in some way outstanding in the context of that band’s discography (‘best’ album, fan favorite, first album, newest album) it should not be done. Nobody wants to hear Iron Maiden do Virtual XI in its entirety… or at all.

    –Caveat to 3: if the album is the newest one, but does not fit any of the other criteria, it STILL should not be done.

    4) If the album’s been played live in its entirety before on a tour, and the gig is not in a town with an outstanding relationship with the band, the album should not be done. (this rule goes double for mosh-friendly bands. I only want to hear Ashes of the Wake in Richmond, Virginia, where the crowd will be AS MEMORABLE IF NOT MORESO than the performance, because a live show is a shared community experience first and foremost)

    Basically, it needs to be a very special album, or a very special concert for this to work.

  • CrusherDestroyer

    I saw Primus do Sailing the Seas of Chesse and Frizzle Fry in their entirety. Epic shows. It truly does depend on the band though. Most bands can’t string 10 songs in a row together that worth a shit.

  • Pat

    I saw the melvins play houdini in its entirety and then they played there Demo’s, and i have to say it felt special, especially since they had the line up that played on Houdini.
    I give the idea a thumbs up, as long as it doesn’t get beat into the ground.

  • nick

    If you are a big enough fan of a band you probably saw the band a number of times. And if you see a band a number of times you see that their setlist remains pretty much unchanged besides maybe 5 or so songs each time. This being said I would love to see a band I like play a full album knowing that I would be getting to hear most likely a number of songs they never played the previous times I saw them. I have probably seen 20 plus bands 3 or more times. And most of those shows consisted of nearly the same setlist minus a few songs off their latest album at the time. I think its a great idea for the true fans who see these bands over and over live and want to hear some different songs.

  • http://apintfordionysus.wordpress.com/ Grotusque

    I think it’s OK, as long as there’s time in the set for other songs to be played. A good album, like a good live set, has a sequence and ought to have a certain flow that can be replicated and it’s awesome when you listen to it.

    But there also ought to be enough space for the thrill of variety.