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	<title>Comments on: THE BLOGRONAUT: ARE CORPORATE-SPONSORED METAL SHOWS KILLING THE LIVE CONCERT MARKET?</title>
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		<title>By: keith f</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was trying to read this article but the ads on this site are unbearable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was trying to read this article but the ads on this site are unbearable.</p>
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		<title>By: ENDIT</title>
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		<dc:creator>ENDIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK THAT.......If you want to play for free then fuck it go rite ahead, if not then dont charge kids 20 or 30 bucks to go see your band play. I understand that it is killing the value of seeing a band , but then again so is paying 30 bucks. Most bands are part time anyways, unless your all in then i could understand why you would be pissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK THAT&#8230;&#8230;.If you want to play for free then fuck it go rite ahead, if not then dont charge kids 20 or 30 bucks to go see your band play. I understand that it is killing the value of seeing a band , but then again so is paying 30 bucks. Most bands are part time anyways, unless your all in then i could understand why you would be pissed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heard Graviton, you guys should make a lp, take care Sacha.</description>
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		<title>By: steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ticketmaster and ticket fee prices have nothing to do with ticket prices, they are added after the booking agent delegates ticket prices to the concert promoter, and that is how ticketmaster or the ticket agency makes their money.  those fees have nothing to do with ticket prices being high.  the real problem is band guarantees in addition to outrageous catering expenses the artists demand. i&#039;ve been doing concert promotion for over 10 years (booked TONS of big bands, rock festivals, etc.). the booking agents &amp; bands are demanding more money than ever, definitely trying to make up for income lost from album sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ticketmaster and ticket fee prices have nothing to do with ticket prices, they are added after the booking agent delegates ticket prices to the concert promoter, and that is how ticketmaster or the ticket agency makes their money.  those fees have nothing to do with ticket prices being high.  the real problem is band guarantees in addition to outrageous catering expenses the artists demand. i&#8217;ve been doing concert promotion for over 10 years (booked TONS of big bands, rock festivals, etc.). the booking agents &amp; bands are demanding more money than ever, definitely trying to make up for income lost from album sales.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree, and with that being said, I will see you in Detroit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree, and with that being said, I will see you in Detroit</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also hoping to support said tour in Toronto next month!</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 05:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a promoter. I&#039;m broke and if I bands going to get paid there needs to be people in the crowd. Unfortuantly, it&#039;s hard for me to get people to pay five bucks to come to a show. So, if they offered a grand to play a show for Nike I&#039;m going to tell them not to do the show I&#039;m doing that might pay them 100 and do the Nike show. But then again most the bands I work it have kids and that 1000 could be a big help to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a promoter. I&#8217;m broke and if I bands going to get paid there needs to be people in the crowd. Unfortuantly, it&#8217;s hard for me to get people to pay five bucks to come to a show. So, if they offered a grand to play a show for Nike I&#8217;m going to tell them not to do the show I&#8217;m doing that might pay them 100 and do the Nike show. But then again most the bands I work it have kids and that 1000 could be a big help to them.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuckin a.</description>
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		<title>By: metalrenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>metalrenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still in the old school mindset in regards to the music industry. I love metal and appreciate the artists who make it, and I just can&#039;t bring myself to give up purchasing physical music. This weekend, I shit you not, I acutally BOUGHT Focus by Cynic AND Void by Intronaut. I&#039;m also purchasing a ticket to see this show in Toronto. Can&#039;t wait!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still in the old school mindset in regards to the music industry. I love metal and appreciate the artists who make it, and I just can&#8217;t bring myself to give up purchasing physical music. This weekend, I shit you not, I acutally BOUGHT Focus by Cynic AND Void by Intronaut. I&#8217;m also purchasing a ticket to see this show in Toronto. Can&#8217;t wait!</p>
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		<title>By: I, Monarch</title>
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		<dc:creator>I, Monarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that if I have a chance to see some of my favorite bands play for FREE cost to me, I don&#039;t care who the fuck sponsored it, I will do my best to go. It&#039;s fucking hard being a loyal music fan when you listen to the amount of music as I do. I always try to support the artists as best as I can by buying CDs/LPs/T-shirts, but it&#039;s hard to attend so many shows and buy so much shit, when it all costs so much! I think that these free Scion/Converse shows are excellent since it gives the true fans a break from the fee of the show and lets us spend it instead on merch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that if I have a chance to see some of my favorite bands play for FREE cost to me, I don&#8217;t care who the fuck sponsored it, I will do my best to go. It&#8217;s fucking hard being a loyal music fan when you listen to the amount of music as I do. I always try to support the artists as best as I can by buying CDs/LPs/T-shirts, but it&#8217;s hard to attend so many shows and buy so much shit, when it all costs so much! I think that these free Scion/Converse shows are excellent since it gives the true fans a break from the fee of the show and lets us spend it instead on merch.</p>
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		<title>By: thecrypticyeast</title>
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		<dc:creator>thecrypticyeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;d love to check out some shows but when I have to buy to $15.00 tix from ticketbastard and pay $30 in fees and shipping costs, it&#039;s not gonna happen.  I don&#039;t see why their fees are so high.  All you do is print out a ticket and mail it to me.  That costs $30?  Get real.  

And with any larger bands, you can&#039;t even get good tickets....scalpers buy em up all and inflate the price $200 on craiglist or ebay.  You should be required to present your id with your name on the ticket when you go to a show.  It&#039;s ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;d love to check out some shows but when I have to buy to $15.00 tix from ticketbastard and pay $30 in fees and shipping costs, it&#8217;s not gonna happen.  I don&#8217;t see why their fees are so high.  All you do is print out a ticket and mail it to me.  That costs $30?  Get real.  </p>
<p>And with any larger bands, you can&#8217;t even get good tickets&#8230;.scalpers buy em up all and inflate the price $200 on craiglist or ebay.  You should be required to present your id with your name on the ticket when you go to a show.  It&#8217;s ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: TMeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>TMeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this brings up all sorts of interesting points. Part of this goes back to the never-ending (and how could it ever end?) underground/mainstream debate. Does having a corporate sponsor undermine underground cred? To at least some extent, sure. Does it also bring in people who might not otherwise have heard of the bands/show? Sure. So, then, at what point is the line drawn between &quot;spreading the word&quot; (or some similar euphemism) versus &quot;selling out?&quot; Does it depend on the sponsor? The bands? The location of the show? The frequency of the show(s)? It makes for interesting discussion.

Also, how about the whole idea of corporate entities entering into the picture of &quot;underground music?&quot; Can it be TRULY underground if Converse or Scion is sponsoring it? Maybe not, because all of these sorts of music are supposedly (to various extents) anti-corporation, anti-capitalism, etc. Then again, aren&#039;t we still talking about bands who have, for the most part, paid their dues, written music they&#039;re passionate about (which is largely &quot;unsuccessful&quot; in terms of overall sales compared to pop music)? Does the word Coverse undermine that? What if all tours were sponsored by a corporation and, in turn, free? Is that what companies like Scion and Converse are working towards? If so, would that be a bad thing?

FUCK. SO MANY QUESTIONS. SO MUCH  CHANGING. SO MUCH METAL THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE KVLT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this brings up all sorts of interesting points. Part of this goes back to the never-ending (and how could it ever end?) underground/mainstream debate. Does having a corporate sponsor undermine underground cred? To at least some extent, sure. Does it also bring in people who might not otherwise have heard of the bands/show? Sure. So, then, at what point is the line drawn between &#8220;spreading the word&#8221; (or some similar euphemism) versus &#8220;selling out?&#8221; Does it depend on the sponsor? The bands? The location of the show? The frequency of the show(s)? It makes for interesting discussion.</p>
<p>Also, how about the whole idea of corporate entities entering into the picture of &#8220;underground music?&#8221; Can it be TRULY underground if Converse or Scion is sponsoring it? Maybe not, because all of these sorts of music are supposedly (to various extents) anti-corporation, anti-capitalism, etc. Then again, aren&#8217;t we still talking about bands who have, for the most part, paid their dues, written music they&#8217;re passionate about (which is largely &#8220;unsuccessful&#8221; in terms of overall sales compared to pop music)? Does the word Coverse undermine that? What if all tours were sponsored by a corporation and, in turn, free? Is that what companies like Scion and Converse are working towards? If so, would that be a bad thing?</p>
<p>FUCK. SO MANY QUESTIONS. SO MUCH  CHANGING. SO MUCH METAL THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE KVLT.</p>
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		<title>By: XariaK</title>
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		<dc:creator>XariaK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yah but thats venues they also have a pretty good security system from keeping people from burnin down the place... But at the outdoor events is when it juss gets bad

Last free show i went to there had to have been 2-3 fights every hour and heard some rumors bout somedude with a gun runnin around some bullshit IDK but still kinda juss brings a downer on the whole thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah but thats venues they also have a pretty good security system from keeping people from burnin down the place&#8230; But at the outdoor events is when it juss gets bad</p>
<p>Last free show i went to there had to have been 2-3 fights every hour and heard some rumors bout somedude with a gun runnin around some bullshit IDK but still kinda juss brings a downer on the whole thing</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds great Sacha! Already bought my ticket, and planned on buying some merch anyway. Can&#039;t wait to finally see Intronaut!</description>
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		<title>By: Justin Maranga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Maranga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ticket prices are not making up for album sales.  Ticket prices are increasing drastically because of the constantly increasing fees attached to them by ticketmaster, ticketweb and other ticketing outlets.  Even the venues are trying to take more money; some even trying to take a cut of the bands&#039; merch for the night.  All in all, everyone is making more money except the bands.  And people wonder why we never play their town...it&#039;s because we can&#039;t afford to unless some stupid corporate sponsor flies us out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ticket prices are not making up for album sales.  Ticket prices are increasing drastically because of the constantly increasing fees attached to them by ticketmaster, ticketweb and other ticketing outlets.  Even the venues are trying to take more money; some even trying to take a cut of the bands&#8217; merch for the night.  All in all, everyone is making more money except the bands.  And people wonder why we never play their town&#8230;it&#8217;s because we can&#8217;t afford to unless some stupid corporate sponsor flies us out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul Dukenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raoul Dukenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea, the Ultimate Warrior never cried. Leave that for Mustaine.</description>
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		<title>By: DirtyWarriorMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirtyWarriorMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really not buying this--sounds like you&#039;re looking a gift horse in the mouth. If a band rocks it at a free show and inspires the audience, that audience will pay to see them at their own gig the next time they come through town. Seems like a win-win to me, for the artists and the fans (especially considering that the lineups at these free fests have been REALLY GOOD). As for the not wanting to play a corporate sponsored event, that&#039;s a nice punk rock attitude and if your ideals are just too important, then congratulations, you don&#039;t have to play. But this is the real world, people have families to support, and I would think most artists are not in a position to turn down a gainful paycheck just because they don&#039;t respect the corporation fitting the bill. Take the money, or don&#039;t. Play the shows, or don&#039;t. Life is full of compromises. Quit crying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not buying this&#8211;sounds like you&#8217;re looking a gift horse in the mouth. If a band rocks it at a free show and inspires the audience, that audience will pay to see them at their own gig the next time they come through town. Seems like a win-win to me, for the artists and the fans (especially considering that the lineups at these free fests have been REALLY GOOD). As for the not wanting to play a corporate sponsored event, that&#8217;s a nice punk rock attitude and if your ideals are just too important, then congratulations, you don&#8217;t have to play. But this is the real world, people have families to support, and I would think most artists are not in a position to turn down a gainful paycheck just because they don&#8217;t respect the corporation fitting the bill. Take the money, or don&#8217;t. Play the shows, or don&#8217;t. Life is full of compromises. Quit crying.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulterA</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulterA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know. I&#039;m just speculating from my utter failure to find the shows I want to see. I didn&#039;t know Boise had a new venue. I&#039;ll have to look into that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m just speculating from my utter failure to find the shows I want to see. I didn&#8217;t know Boise had a new venue. I&#8217;ll have to look into that.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulterA</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulterA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep.</description>
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		<title>By: djabthrash</title>
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		<dc:creator>djabthrash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 08:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post</description>
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