HAVE SOCIAL NETWORKING SITES ALTERED THE METAL SCENE FOR THE WORST?

Wednesday, August 11th, 2010 at 1:20pm by

likeIn the latest entry on Ask Earache – the blog on which Earache head honcho Digby Pearson opens himself up to reader questions and promises “straight answers… without the bullshit” and defends re-thrash as a forward-pushing genre – Dig takes a stab at quantifying the effects that social networking sites like MySpace and Facebook have had on the metal scene. His argument is that the social networks have changed what it means to be a fan from going to the show and hanging around for all the bands to simply pressing the “like” button, and as a result the metal scene is suffering. As with the past Ask Earache blog posts I’ve read, Dig’s premise is sound but his logic leads to a false conclusion. Check it out as Professor Neilstein dissects his argument one point at a time.

Here’s Dig’s main argument:

Back in the recent past, say up to 2006, there was still a cohesive scene where fans felt a belonging to a style of music. A fan felt a natural affinity to a whole scene and pretty much embraced most of the bands within that scene. Not anymore- the new crowd go to a show to see one single band only. Things are getting fragmented to the point of absurdity. Its worth pointing out that in my experience its mostly the new teenage Deathcore bands who seem to act like this- young Thrashers and the new young HM fans do thankfully seem to embrace the whole of the scene, not just one fave band.

Fair enough. I might counter that I haven’t really seen fans leaving after one band at shows I’ve been to, but I don’t go to deathcore shows; presumably Pearson is talking from experience so we’ll take his word for it. I might also argue that deathcore is a genre particularly associated with young “scene” kids, and that “scene” sub-genres have always been this way… but for now I won’t. Let’s just roll with Dig’s argument and see what happens. Now, here’s where things get sticky:

Its sickening for me to see, and the root cause is undoubtedly the massive rise and scale of the social networks in the last 5 years.Myspace/Facebook/YouTube have given instant power and information to anyones fingertips.Between them, they have actually changed the way millions of people go about their daily lives, and their cultural impact on the entire music scene is only just unfolding.It’s altered what being a ‘fan’ actually means – clicking the LIKE button on Facebook is the new ‘bought it on the day it came out’

Wow, wait a minute. How can you say “undoubtedly”? Lots of things have changed in the past 5 years besides the rise of social networks: musical trends have changed, our entire culture has changed as a result of the Internet, recording technology has gotten cheaper, metal has splintered even further into a thousand micro-genres, the economy has tanked… how can you point to ONE trend as the absolute reason for what you perceive to be the “entire music scene unfolding”? To me, there’s plenty of doubt. It could well be a factor, but way too many boring Communications lectures in college taught me that there’s no way to draw a direct causal arrow when so many other factors are involved.

I’d argue that the social networks have HELPED the scene; they allow bands to get their music out there to any potential receptive ears, and by making the means of distribution so easy they allow for these micro-genres to be created rather than having to cram so many different sounding bands into one label. If anything, I’d say MySpace and Facebook have strengthened the connection between band and fan and created a more direct revenue stream, be it going to shows, buying an album, or buying merch. It’s not surprising to see a record label owner arguing this, though; used to be you could spend marketing dollars in a certain way and bang, you could run a band up the charts and create a success. Not so anymore; you’ve got to take the slow approach, the product has to be genuine, and it takes time — several albums — to build a real act. Label owners don’t like this because there’s less immediate return on their dollar.

Digby also argues that the bigger acts are getting more popular and cites Lady Gaga’s success as an example. Sure, Gaga is huge, but 5, 10, 15 years ago there were way more pop acts dominating the charts than there are today. Pop has become relegated to a niche of its own, and huge pop success stories like Gaga are getting rarer and rarer. Gaga is the exception these days, not the rule. Instead what we’ve got is a much more healthy middle class of bands and, in turn, a much more healthy middle class of fans for those bands. Metal is a particularly large benefactor here because by its very nature metal is never going to be a huge genre.

Anyway, what do you all think? Are social networks good or bad for the metal scene? Sound off in the comments section.

-VN

  • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/e6ce833e47fab512202107ed2cf6e9c0.png jaymewv

    good and bad, for bands who actually have some talent and are not just rehashing the same old thing, then good. its a great way to get your music to people. On the other hand shitty bands that rehash the same old shit also have that ability. Now as a big fan of metal music and music in general, i get overwhelmed when i try and find new bands, cuz everyday or actually every couple hours i get friend requests from bands who either suck or are just plain generic. I have found some killer bands on the web but unfortunately some real crappy ones found me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

      as a rule, 99.9% of bands that go around requesting “friends” are gonna be shit.

      • http://slowlyweblog.wordpress.com Cody

        I do a review of bands who send me requests on myspace every friday on Slowly We Blog. Some are shit, but some aren’t that bad.

        • themotherofallthingsholy

          Seriously Cody, enough with pimping your blog.

          • http://slowlyweblog.wordpress.com Cody

            seriously, what the hell are you talking about? This is the first time I have mentioned the name in a comment.And “pimping” refers to when you deck out something to make it appear that you have loads of money.

        • Death to bro metal

          +1 for the Obituary reference… Slowly we rot

      • Josh

        Agreed. My band only adds other bands we like and want to network with, and other people whose services we can make use of(merch makers, promotion, etc). Once in a blue moon we’ll come across a profile of someone we think might dig us, but that’s on a rare occasion.

        Sure it means we have fewer “Friends”, but we’re not whoring ourselves out spamming either.

  • Honeynutzz

    I think they are a mute point. We where here before they came along and we will be here after they are gone. We’ve used them to our advantage to help spread the music and bring bands and fans closer. As for the scene kids most of them probably found metalcore and deathcore through myspace and were never real fans in the first place. All we got to do is wait them out.

    • gauche

      you lost me at “mute point.”

      • stu1

        I lost him at “We where here.”

      • http://www.suckit.com Satanicbrutality

        haha “mute”

  • brian roach

    agree, very helpful for new bands, and for fans. I’ll use myself as an example. 40 years old, corporate job, wife, 2 kids. Not really geting out to a lot of shows that go until 1:00 am anymore. But still love the music. So i’ll read a review or about a band at a site like this, go to Myspace to hear their music, if I like it, order it or go buy it. So in that sense it’s very helpful.

  • Ryd1ZZ

    I agree with you, Vince. But it is kind of a double edged sword. It lets people find awesome bands that they would probably never hear about or see live. On the other hand, every single band can put their music on line, making it hard to sift through the garbage. Over all, I prefer the post myspace era.

    • Someone

      I prefer having to “sift through the garbage” to find great new bands to growing up in a place with no Metal scene pre-Internet and wondering how the hell I was supposed to even find out about good bands. Better have too much & need to separate the wheat from the chaff, than to be starving.

  • robocop420

    I’ve only seen it help my band; everyone that follows us on facebook/myspace knows when we have a show coming up, or have new music. I know for a fact that people have gone to shows because they heard about it the day before on the internet. I also know that because of the internet/social networking sites people in different states/countries have checked us out.

    I will say that the internet killed actual physical flyers, though. But I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing. “Here, you throw this away.”

    • Genial Gentile

      Just posted the same sentiment. Hedburg reference ftw.

    • the opposition machine

      fucking mitch hedburg ruined flyers for me with that line.

    • Anthony

      If anything it’s much easier and much more common to find out about shows and tours when they’re announced, and not having to look for flyers or through magazine ads or hear radio commercials promoting a band you like coming near you. Especially for Metal where only the big name bands get mentioned as “coming near you” on your radio station or music tv channel.

  • Joseph Schafer

    Every time this man posts on that blog, I want to buy an Earache record less and less. The man makes himself sound long-in-the-tooth, not dyed-in-the-wool. Or does he not realize that facebook and myspace have been easily as beneficial to the neo-thrash movement as the much-maligned deathcore movement?

    Here’s a thought: If people want to come to a show to see one band and skip out on the rest that is completely their prerogative. Who are we to judge these scene kids?

    I’m willing to bet more than a few readers of this webpage, including some close friends of mine, began as metal scenesters and grew to love the genre in an organic and legitimate way–the scenesters are an asset, not a detriment, to metal as a whole because they function as a pool of potential contributors to the scene in the future. They should be cultivated, not cast down as heretic.

    This elitist, draconian attitude toward what does or does not contribute to the art form is precisely what crippled the growth of Black Metal and Hardcore before it. The true spirit of this music we love is experimentation and a disregard for the ‘norm.’ People trying to shoehorn it as one particular sound only hurt the rest of us listeners by making it more difficult for more creative bands to flourish amidst such animosity.

    What the internet has done is made such animosity weaker. Thanks to the internet you get bands like Revocation and Cormorant, who are as likely to uphold the tenants of a particular style as completely disregard it, and are all the better for it.

    All social networking has done is flattened the genre, made it more even, more fair to the newcomer, and given us as fans many new ways to express and celebrate our fandom. We don’t have to feel like oppressed martyrs anymore–we can network and share our ideas more easily, and make a more supportive environment for what we all love–good fucking music.

    AM I RIGHT?

    • BC

      This^ This right here never has a more true sentiment been spoken.

    • NoNameNoSlogan

      well said

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jimi-Hite/732925706 Jimi Hite

      this is full of win

    • Anthony

      I agree with the part about the seeing only one band at a live show. I’ve done that a number of times when a headliner that i’m not a fan of has taken 1 or more bands I really want to see as support acts out with them. I still usually show up early to catch the bands before unless I’m in a schedule conflict. I’m still paying full price for the ticket that goes to all the bands in varying percentages. Plus i’m sure the fans of the headliner don’t mind if non-fans choose not to stick around. More room to move around and there aren’t a number of people staring with blank faces and their arms crossed at the back of the room while they’re still thinking about how awesome the support acts were.

      I also don’t buy the whole “you have to sift through the garbage” with the social network rise in the last 5-6 years. Why? If anything, it’s no different than 10-20 years ago when you would have to wait through a bunch of songs on your FM radio station to hear a song you like, or watching MTV and Muchmusic when I was younger and have to sit through videos from N Sync and Britney Spears to catch the Freak on a Leash video from Korn. Then again I don’t sit at my computer and go through Myspace music to find bands I like. I already listen to enough bands, and get into new bands every few months it seems, but that’s usually only if I stumble upon them somehow, catch them on tour opening for a band I like, check out tourmates of bands I like to see If i’ll dig them at the show, or if someone says “Hey Anthony, since you like so-and-so, check out so-and-so cuz they play a similar style of music”

      • dallascowboyfromhell

        lol Muchmusic… i feel old now

    • metalrenee

      In regards to scene kids – “They should be cultivated, not cast down as heretic.”
      Excellent point. I grew into the metal scene by listening to Slipknot and Mudvayne, bands whose fans are instantly disregarded by those within the metal circle. I have since flourished into a full out metal fan, attending many shows and even starting my own metal blog.

      With a bit of education these current scene kids have the potential to become full fledged metal fans. Sure, some are only into it because their friends are but those casual fans have a way of weeding themselves out.

    • http://www.suckit.com Satanicbrutality

      Very well said! Elite douchebagalism is not needed!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Harrison-Hatcher/100000832693214 Harrison Hatcher

        I like the way you said that renee.
        I started out on pseudo-metal/mainstream/screamo acts like Atreyu, The Devil Wears Prada, System of a Down, and Avenged Sevenfold before I found myself listening to the ear-bleeding, headbanging music we call metal. It’s good to have the transitional band(s) there to help and entice new listeners. Remember, metal is like beer: some people love it, some people hate it, some people drink because their friends are drinking it, and some people just need time to acquire a taste for it.

  • Genial Gentile

    As much as I loved collecting show flyers as a teenager, being able to access the tour schedule of a given band through these sights is a major convenience and has definitely changed the way that I find out about shows. Before, unless a band was HUGE, you could very easily not know about a show in another city that is only an hour or two away.

  • Type-O-Positive

    I agree with everybody else on this one. Myspace and facebook has leveled the playing field to the point where anybody who can write and record their music can get heard by somebody. It is both good and bad. Bad because there is a lot of crap out there and it’s usually the crap bands who have the time to spam everybody every 5 minutes to make sure people are paying attention. But at the same time, all these underground bands who are working hard to make something worthwhile are able to find a worldwide audience. As a musician I find social networking useful as a way to get our name out to a bigger group of people regardless of whether they would seek us out or not. But as a music fan I think myspace is dead, facebook is starting to go the same direction… I think blogs like this one and others are where it is at. It is almost like the tape trading scene where you can find good bands that are all related to each other.

  • kmfcm

    I think the only thing social networking has actually helped at all is underground music.

    • kmfcm

      . . . . . But the nice thing is now there are sites opening up that’ll help ger your music out to the people without all that pesky social netwoking.
      Places like Bandcamp and gimmesound.

  • http://www.theoppositionmachine.wordpress.com the opposition machine

    its definitely leveled the field…and you are seeing a lot of garbage come out but the good stuff will always rise to the top

  • http://piercingmetal.com PiercingMetal Ken

    Looking at this as a writer I think all of these avenues have their good and bad sides to them. Friendster was my first foray into Social Networking stuff and I had to say that I loved MySpace when it first launched because I could maintain a personal profile and one for my website. It was a quick way to learn about bands that really had no publicity team or record label working in their behalf. Then came Facebook.

    Facebook for me is a weird little place because while I love hearing from bands I write about or business contacts that I enjoy, I dislike former work colleagues from jobs that were terrible, or from classmates that never did more than taunt and be negative during those early years. Of course the nature of the network compels you to add everyone no matter what and now with this “like” option, everyone “likes” everything, but are they buying the releases or attending the shows? I don’t think so. The “in-thing” now is to be on Twitter and lock in as many followers as you can and I have yet to be fully convinced of its effectiveness. I’ll admit I dont know how I could possibly keep up if I was following 15,000 people, but there are folks doing that so I give them credit.

    With my website I am trying to play in the same waters as established peers and up and coming providers of resource and while there is some response in them I don’t see anything that would make me a die hard proponent of these sources alone. I find it funny when you mention what you do and what you offer to get “oh ok, but how many people follow you on Twitter” as a response. It’s amusing. I think these things at best raise some awareness of the scene, the genre and the bands along with the resources that are offering information about all three. Like someone said before, there are good sites/blogs and there are bad ones as well. What the fans or providers take from that is anybody’s guess. I just wonder what the next thing will be and how it will be handled in the larger music community.

    • David

      You know what? When you get older, all those jerks who picked on you in youth actually do want to be your friend:

      (high school bully): Hey man, how’s it going? I’m a recovering addict and seven months sober!!!

      (me), pushes the hide button

  • Stolas Trephinator

    There will always be a scene; a scene is just a bunch of people, which is what a social networking site is. There will always be someone who leaves the show after their favorite band has played, because there will also be tours where awesome bands open for shitty ones, and a true fan doesn’t feel the need to sit through a band they hate. Yeah, internet haters and Facebook addicts are infuriating, but turning it into a whole scene/no scene thing just makes you a grandpa. ‘I liked it better when it was like this! These kids today, blah blah blah.” Aw.

  • trappedunderice

    It’s funny because I usually only leave shows early when it’s awesome bands opening for trendier shit bands, Cynic before Dragonforce and Gaza/Cattle Decap opening for JFAC.

  • Slaughterhouse

    Definitely a double edged sword. Gives you the ability to hear music from some amazing bands and preview it before you go out and spend your money on their cd’s but at the same time, it takes much more time shuffling through shit to get to the gold!

  • Clement

    I guess I would count as a “young Thrasher” to him, but I’ve always gone to as much of a show as I can (usually the whole thing) and social networking sites/Youtube just make it easier to follow and listen to a band.

  • Malamor

    Fuck MyFace, Tape trades and clipboards with written mail info forever! It was all so much more meaningful back when.

    • soy el niño más bonito

      naaaaaaaaah.

    • http://~ B. Ewing

      im with you in the sense that your connection with a bands music was more meaningful compared to the overload today…but i now listen to a much greater number of bands, i have instant access to learn about new bands i might be interested in, and i don’t miss shows i didnt know about. Social networking has allowed metal to become a full-time hobby! much better than the “buy and hope this band is good” days of mail in orders; i think we’re much better off

    • Someone

      If you were one of the <1% of the population to live somewhere where there was an active scene. No active scene, no way to explore the music. And thus a catch-22 for any sort of local scene developing.

      Now, anyone who becomes interested in the music has a way to explore more of it. Thus, you can discover music even without a local scene. Which makes it easier for a local scene to emerge.

      For those of us outside of the five or six cities that had thriving scenes, "The good old days" weren't so good.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alejandro-Aldana/683878171 Alejandro Aldana

    i think social networking has made the connection between fan and band closer. nowadays i can email/message my favorite musicians and get a response from them. maybe before social networking there was writing of letters, but this is much faster and easier. plus, because of the internet i know about shows months before the date. without the internet i wouldn’t know jack shit.

  • Vlygar

    I do agree with the man’s bitching about people hitting the “Like” button instead of being actual fans, but the ‘net has brought so many actual fans directly to what they’re looking for that this “Like” issue really isn’t a big deal. My only real complaint about internet and music is that I miss going to actual record stores, sifting through albums, making guesses based on band names and artwork, and enjoying my discoveries. Also, the social interaction “IRL” is so much better than websites. Yeah, I’m a fucking curmudgeon and I’m not even 30 yet, deal with it and get off my damn lawn ya whipper snappers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alan-Sacha-Laskow/839335493 Alan Sacha Laskow

    The problem comes with oversaturation; sometimes it becomes difficult for people to seperate the wheat from the chaff when they are constantly bombarded with content. There still has to be filters for taste such as the function the media or whatever may have used to perform, but hopefully not in corporate hands.

    I have definitely noticed progressively less response to my ‘self promotion’ in a lot of aspects compared to when internet promotion was relatively young with sites like MP3.com etc. Either my music has gotten shittier or people are just over stimulated and don’t have time to listen to all the music crammed in their faces…

    I know I feel it too, there’s great great bands that I haven’t listened to in months due to the sheer number of quality acts being released. Add to that the enormous flows of ‘less than quality’ acts vying for your attention and it gets hard to keep up.

    Overall though the internet has been a positive I think both as a fan and a musician. Social networking is still young and I just hope that it gets shaped in a way that is ultimately more progressive for creativity and individuality.

  • http://myspace.com/discordiatech Joe

    I think you guys should go check out my band at myspace.com/discordiatech

  • http://www.masterful-magazine.com/ Choronzon

    Speaking as a writer for a small metal e-zine I can tell that the Facebook, Netlog and MySpace and other networking sites have pulled open the proverbial floodgates for mediocre and plain horrible bands to find an avenue to work and sell their music-product with relative ease.

    Given that I hear about 500 records each year, it only amounts to 10 spectacular-good records in every 12 months. It seems for every accomplished forward thinking metal band, there are about 50 idiotic slam- or garage black metal bands that (somehow) managed to sign a record contract, while the truly great acts are left in the cold, because they don’t immediately fit into some pre-defined (sub)market. Labels no longer develop artists, they just cram out whatever is popular in the “scene” that week.

    As pointed out earlier, technology had made recording easier and it seems about every week some basement label wants to sent us their promos, physically or digitally. The problem is the “democratisation” of the scene and genre – everybody can start a stupid band, get a scammy record deal that will put them in poverty row years from now and tour regionally/internationally. Are bands still “paying their dues” like in the old days? That seems to have vanished.

    Labels used to be a beacon of a certain quality and they had their specialisations. That no longer is the case, everybody wants a bite from everything.

  • Astral Zombie

    Dig can blame the internet for whatever he wants…he’s been ruining metal with almost everything he’s released after 1993, save 5 or 6 albums.