ALBUM OF THE DAY: DOWNSET EDITION

Monday, October 11th, 2010 at 10:00am by

To understand Downset, you really need to understand the context in which they came up. Back in the 90s, the graffiti scene was no fucking joke. There was a huge influx of what we called tagbangers — crazy kids who were basically gangsters who also tagged, and they scared the shit out of everybody, graffiti writers and citizens alike. Even the legit, non-tagbanger graffiti crews were pretty rough — I grew up with the guys who started the infamous BTM and 3A, who still scare the fuck out of anybody who crosses their path and are currently crushing NYC. The whole West Coast was pretty wild, but Southern California was by far the sketchiest when it came to graffiti. If you lived there in the early to mid-90s, you know what I mean: all the freeways were absolutely covered in graffiti, and people like CHAKA and OILER were pretty close to household names.

Cheesy but accurate segment on tagbangers from ’93 or so — it sounds ridiculous in retrospect, but you could definitely get shot over graffiti back then in Southern California

Note Rey repping SSD and Unbroken shirts in this sick video

Like a lot of other kids, I was into anything that involved breaking rules, which included skateboarding, metal/hardcore, and graffiti. At the time it was pretty rare for anybody to be into both hardcore and graffiti, although bands like Phobia, Spazz, Dystopia, Despise You all had graffiti writers in their ranks. I first heard about Downset from an interview in the legendary graffiti magazine Can Control, around 1993 when their first 7″ came out (“Anger” b/w “Ritual”). They were the purest possible product of crossing the So Cal graffiti and hardcore scenes, with members representing legendary crews UTI, THC, and CBS and coming from the ashes of Social Justice (who shared the stage with bands like Inside Out, Insted and Unbroken). For someone like me who grew up fully immersed in both graffiti and hardcore of that era, it’s hard to find a band that does a better job of capturing what the West Coast was like in the 90s for angry kids like me.


“Pocket Full Of Fat Caps” takes me right back to 10th grade, stealing Mean Streaks and scribing bus stop windows. Also, sick SICK breakdown at 1:40 — YOU’RE MOSHING!

Musically, Downset were way, way ahead of their time and peers, playing a very tight, syncopated style of metalcore that sounded completely unique at the time. They got a lot of comparisons to Rage Against The Machine, but only from people who don’t know what they’re talking about — to anybody with functioning ears and a little knowledge, they were worlds apart. Downset did this style years before RATM (their previous band, Social Justice, started in 1986) and were always way heavier, tighter, and more legit than RATM. Their first two albums are especially great, but all their records are keepers. Maybe it’s my old man, rose-colored glasses, but if you ask me, they still sound very fresh, original and relevant nearly fifteen years later — something you can say about very, very few bands from the mid 90s.

CONVERSE & KHAKIS!

-Sergeant D.

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  • AetherJake

    RATM does Downset better than Downset does Downset.

    • Eddie Von Fuckenstein

      RATM are whiny pussies.

      • AetherJake

        More focus on vocals than music=shit taste in music.

        • Eddie Von Fuckenstein

          Being a RATM fan = shit taste in music

          • AetherJake

            Butthurt HxC kid here.

          • Smoke it up, Pig

            RATM fan = probably not a HxC kid

  • yetzer hara

    this is something i haven’t thought about in years…. i remember having friends who liked downset when i was a kid, but i couldn’t ever get into it. it didn’t sound fresh then, and it definitely doesn’t now.

  • fritz

    Holy shit I love this!

  • Sandy Duncan’s Glass Eye

    One of my favorite college memories involves a fellow college DJ mistakenly playing the album unedited version of this song over the air instead of the radio edit. He started crying thinking he was going to get kicked out of school.

  • SxPxDxCx

    The original 7″ version of Anger has a Zach/RATM dis on it.
    In the above video it’s changed to a less specific dis.

  • redcloudrising

    awesome, thanks for much for recognizing

  • the hate machine

    Wow! That was a timewarp! great band live. They should have gotten much bigger than they did.

  • http://www.theblacklaser.net Joe the Wizard

    I listened to the SHITout of “Do We Speak a Dead Language” in 9th grade. Fucking awesome record. I need to give it another spin.

  • Genial Gentile

    I had some buddies in the early 90′s that were transplant tagbangers from Riverside, CA. The little Midwest college town I grew up in was not ready for that stuff…those kids were fucking maniacs.

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      Riverside is legit #909

  • Elston_Gunn

    I listened to Downset a ton when I was in high school. That was… a while ago. But honestly, I still play that stuff from time to time. And for me, at least the first album — “Downset” — still holds up well.

  • Vinsanity

    fucking boring as hell. two riffs and a breakdown? honestly i find ratm’s music much more interesting if youre using fat caps as an example. maybe for the time they were cool, not impressed at all though. fail

  • http://toeleven.wordpress.com/ Jayson

    I ended up passing on these guys in the day because the only person I knew that liked them was the most angst-ridden “issues” kid I ever met.

  • DirtyWarriorMan

    I love that you embed YouTube clips in these histories. But “more legit than RATM”? Um… no.

    • Bulldozer S.

      um… YES!… you should learn a bit more of the scene back in the days before such blender… RATM even ripped off stuff from early dutch crossovers Urban Dance Squad

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Etan-Rosenbloom/601426 Etan Rosenbloom

    Hell yeah! Of course these guys are special to me since they’re hometown heroes, but those first couple records still rule. Funky, hard, proud, and committed to social justice. At their best, Downset’s riffs shat all over RATM’s. These dudes felt like the voice of the LA Riots to me.

  • Austin Millbarge

    April 29th Florence and Normandy

    • djabthrash

      ANGEEEEEEEEEEER ! :)

  • sYgnal

    Yea…I’m pretty sure they weren’t ahead of Helmet in any way musically and I couldn’t stand Helmet back then,so, Downset sucks even worse.

    Maybe you guys should start calling this site Hardcore Sucks??

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuwillhate Sergeant D

      United forces

  • A2James

    Yes, I still have the original CD back when I bought it as a teenager…this album had some great songs (Eyes Shut Tight, Empower, Fire, etc.). Positive hardcore at its finest

  • A2James

    Yes, I still have the original CD back when I bought it as a teenager…this album has some great songs (Eyes Shut Tight, Empower, Fire, etc.). Positive hardcore at its finest

  • Vasteburai

    Hells yeah, always thought they were great, funny thing…I played ‘anger’ just last night at my metal dj job. And had this whole talk with some folks. Its like y’all read my mind dude.

    • http://Www.Easttexasunderground.net DaylightReckoning

      And thank you sir for playing some of their tunes for me. Good band I hadn’t discovered until recently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joel-Bailey/1624089874 Joel Bailey

    Downset was great.. I saw them live several times and they always brought it.

    I don’t expect “kids nowdays” to get it or respect what they were doing.. The interview with the singer from All Out War helped me come to grips with that.

    Thanks for spotlighting a great band and hopefully they’ll get some more fans. They definitely deserve more recognition for being an important part of where metal, hardcore, punk and hip hop were all coming together in the 90′s.

    • Smoke it up, Pig

      + fuckin’ 1. You said it, Joel.

      • http://twitter.com/stuffuwillhate Sergeant D

        +2

        Kids these days… sigh :(

  • Amanda

    I’ve probably only heard one song by Downset, “Prostitutionalized.” That being said, they’re okay.

    • Smoke it up, Pig

      Since you’ve only “heard one song” your opinion is pretty much null and void. This is the major problem with easy access to music these days…people take a listen to something for a minute and quickly move on to the next. Give their first album a FULL listen, keeping in mind the era, and then decide what you think.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fritz-Pettersen/536945538 Fritz Pettersen

    Yeah man, Downset! We used to listen to them back in the 90´s all the way up in the nothern most parts of Norway. Me an my old buddies in my home town of 5000 people. Nice to hear your story of streetlife and all that stuff that we found so exotic (in lack of a better word) back in the day. We tried hard to be urban bad ass skater kids, but it was kind of hard since everybody new everybodys grandmothers sister, and the fact that we where lackin´n well, eh.. a city. Still lovin´ Downset though. Thanks!

  • http://www.myspace.com/severed Tonberry

    ANGER! What a fucking throwback.

  • Tom Cash

    this is one of those bands i always forget that i actually really really like, and then i randomly hear a song, and then i’m digging out “do we speak a dead language?”. gotta love the mid 90′s closed hi hat break down in “pocket full of fat caps.” it’s like a gangster ass “epicure” by harvest.

  • Sklives

    ^^^ fuck ya Sgt.D!!

  • StixnStoned in OC

    CHECK YOUR PEOPLE!
    great stuff! Man, you got me flashing back to my high school dayz.
    ANGER!
    downset was pretty badass. Really spoke out & was ahead of the game before bands like Hatebreed. (i think downset blows away Hatebreed, “imo”)
    i remeber i caught a small secret gig at a local record store. They barely got through 2 or 3 songs & got cut-off cuz people were gettin crazy. Damn, that was back in the day.
    EMPOWER!
    good one, Sgt D

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      Thanks dude! Would have been a lot of fun to see them somewhere that small

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Colbert/535041444 Dave Colbert

    Still have the first album on casette tape. Never listen to em anymore though.

  • djabthrash

    Nice post !

    Big Downset fanboy here (except for the last album that kinda sucked IMO).

    Do We Speak A Dead Language ? was one of the first cd i bought, i was 10 or so…

    Still one of my fav records these days, and a big influence for me.

    1st and 3rd album were awesome too.