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WHY IS ANYONE SURPRISED THAT ICP ARE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS?

 Monday, October 11th, 2010 at 12:30pm by

We’ve gotten a lot of e-mails these past few days regarding this interview, in which the members of Insane Clown Posse reveal that they’re actually evangelical Christians. Apparently, this is shocking news, even to the Juggalos — I guess ’cause ICP, with their open love of weed, booze, women, and violence against women, don’t exactly come across as Christ-like.

Personally? I’m not shocked at all. Not in the slightest! Here’s why:

  • THEY CLEARLY DON’T UNDERSTAND SCIENCE. ICP’s love of “miracles” and refusal to acknowledge simple scientific concepts such as genetics, weather, evolution, light, and gravity has been well-documented. This alone should have tipped everyone off that they were super-religious; I mean, who the fuck else would think that rainbows, dogs, and magnets are miracles? My dog is sitting on my lap right now, and he just farted. A miracle he is not.
  • THEY’RE MORALISTS. They have lyrics about shooting sluts in the face. Seriously. You know who else calls for violent retribution against the allegedly immoral? Yep, you guessed it! Which leads us to the fact that…
  • THEY’RE HYPOCRITES. I’m not saying all religious people are hypocrites, and I’m not saying all Christians are hypocrites, and I’m not even saying that all evangelicals are hypocrites. I’m just saying that a LOT of evangelicals and staunchly religious people are hypocrites. ICP love God, but not the part where He instructed Man to “turn the other cheek” and proclaimed, “Vengeance is mine.” (I’m reasonably certain Jesus never said anything about shooting sluts in the face.) Furthermore, their self-proclaimed love of “clown pussy,” for which they apparently have six different words and phrases, would lead you believe that they actually love the very same sluts they claim should be shot in the face; in fact, in the very same song where they discuss the de-facing of sluts, they boast that they “fuck so hard it’ll break they back.” (I’m assuming that the “they” in question is one of these charming ladies.) You know how it seems almost inevitable now that every violently anti-gay right wing leader is going to get caught engaging in homosexual activities? Well, at least ICP are open about preaching one thing while practicing another. If it turns out that these two are actually fucking each other, I don’t think anyone should be shocked.

So there you have it. ICP are evangelicals. Good for them. I hope it makes them happy, and answers all their questions about why their kids look like them, and giraffes have long necks, and shooting stars, and whatever other queries they prefer not to answer via a simple kindergarten education.

Me? I’ll be in Hell with Dio. HALLELUJAH!!!

-AR

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  • Cryzthormagnusian

    The Unveiling that this “recent” reveleation was admitted was on The Wraith album that came out in 2002. How is this recent or relevent?

    As much as you guys pay attention to this shit I would think you’d have caught wind of something that happened 8 years ago.

    • foobear

      This.

    • matt

      agreed the wraith shangri la is old as dirt already….and the follow up…hells pit…shits brutal…icp has been around for like 20 years…non juggalo mother fuckers need to recognize…look at the stats…these 30 plus year old dudes have sold more records than almost everyband on this site..and make more money than most….in the end..icp has put out solid records..they have more haters than most..but its all good to them cause they have there greatest fans in the music biz….dont think so…goto a concert..recognize.

      and there latest album debut at number 4 on billboard..thanks for the publicity haters

      • Brian

        Yes, but they dress like clowns and don’t understand magnets.

        I’d rather be poor and have my integrity and brains, thanks.

      • boazhimself

        nickelback sells records also juggalo, does that make them super cool like ICP? i read that interview with those two and they literally do function just barely over the level of retarded. the dude who wrote it made the most valid point about this whole christian meaning in their lyrics and the only response he got was “huh?” they sound like a bunch of near 40 year old dudes who never learned ANYTHING in their lives, and their music reflects it. aborted children have more brainpower than ICP and their fans.
        /rant

      • Isaac

        “They make money” and “They are good” don’t necessarily go together, despite what you tell yourself.

      • dieing feetis

        You’re an idiot dude. Nsync and the Backstreet Boys sold tens of millions of records. Michael Jackson is the highest selling artist of all time. Record sales and money made does not mean its good music. I’ve been to an ICP concert and it was of the biggest meeting of woman beating, white trash, middle school drop outs I’ve ever seen, and I live in the Ozarks.

        Oh and Lamb of Gods last cd debuted at #2. Just saying.

    • Adam

      I was just gonna say, I remember this dude I went to college with (this was in 2003) did a presentation on ICP and his closer was “so yeah ICP wanted all their fans to know that the “Dark Carnival” was actually God all along”. And I remember thinking even then, first off I don’t believe they’ve been religious all along and secondly they’re the least christian like christians I’ve ever been aware of based on their lyrics.

  • Unholy Juggalo

    What the hell do they have to do with metal I thought this is a METAL WEB SITE???? hints the METALSUCKS.NET

    • JADEDKID

      Hence dude…. Hence

      • Unholy Juggalo

        same fucking thing you got what I said right

        • JADEDKID

          Um, I got what you said, but it’s definitely NOT the same thing. Would you like a bigger shovel? Might be time to take up underOath considering what ICP has done to your brain.

    • dave

      You must be new here.

      • Ziltoid got caught liking Disturbed

        lol hints

    • TonyT

      Cuz broseph, metal SUCKS hints the name. ICP is dope yo, they blow my mutha fuckin mind

      • http://farbeyonddriven87.tumblr.com Voltron Futura

        I read the last part the same way he says it in the magnets song.

  • Ben

    You know, everyone is a hypocrite for something. But the truth is ALL people are hypocrites. Not just MOST evangelicals or religious people.

    • Blargh

      True but it’s all about degrees. I contradict myself when bitching about McDonalds and then up in the drive-thru when I’m too hungry to pass it by. This is a far cry from being a pro-lifer and then encouraging your knocked-up daughter to get an abortion because it affects you directly.

    • Isaac

      Everyone is a hypocrite in that everyone changes their mind about something throughout their lives. However, it’s not quite the same thing when your music is entirely based around christianity, yet you still talk about killing people and fuckin’ bitches.

  • Matt

    Fucking Christians; How do they work?!

    • Matt

      Rather, how does one completely ignore extremely compelling scientific evidence in favor of a worldview in which God was clever enough to come up with single celled organisms.

      • Justin

        covert hallucinogenic gassing at sunday school for children. i’ve got them all figured out.

    • shpostal

      Strictly on auto pilot. Stupidity loves company and the ritual and repetition the preachers shove down their flocks’ throats is designed to make them mind numbed cliche spouting robots who think nothing of having to fork over 10% of their yearly income to some crooked pastor or priest. It’s just a bribe to maybe buy yourself a nice eternity.

      • dead eyebro

        im a christian and i do believe all the basic proven scientific facts but i dont believe shit like we came from monkeys and i do not know any christians that think magnets are miracles or what ever ya’ll r saying

  • Furkin

    I’m a christian because cool bands like Underoath and As I Pray Crying make it cool for suburb kids like me to get tattoos and listen to metal and still praise the lord! Yipee!, Now I can wear my ICP shirts to church!

    • Unholy Juggalo

      dude Underoath is not cool even if I wasn’t a juggalo I still wouldn’t listen to Underoath

      • HARRYDICKERSON

        REALLY? YOU’RE A JUGGALO?
        I WOULD’VE NEVER GUESSED!!!

      • RomuluXX

        Fuckin’ sarcasm, how does it work?

      • Isaac

        Stop
        Stop
        My sides hurt.

    • intheshadowofa1000suns

      TROOOOOLL IN THE DUNGEON!!!

  • cougar party

    In their defense, logic and evangelicals have never been good friends.

    • False Nate

      This.

  • A2James

    As ridiculous as ICP and their fans are, its only appropiate that they believe in the equally ridiculous concept of organized religion. Wonder how songs like “Blackin Your Eyes” and “Night of the Axe” are supposed to have Christian messages, however…lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Max-Wallis/1378411106 Max Wallis

    Lyrics in one of their songs even said “Truth is we follow God, we’ve always been behind him” and the chorus is “We’re not sorry if we tricked you”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv9JKUjUps0

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Boyd/1682490002 Tom Boyd

    I am a Christian. And if anyone here spends any time reading the Bible, you would know that ICP probably has not picked up a Bible in a loooong time. They are not true Christians; they are the exact epitome of why people don’t take Christians seriously.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Sterner/1335958279 Andrew Sterner

      What would they do if they could pick up a bible, I’m sure they don’t understand most of the words in it. For God’s sake(pun), look at their grammar. if that isn’t damning enough, look at their fans’ ability to turn out poetic genius.

      We just had a simple bastard confuse “hints” and “hence” up there. And in the world of ICP fandom, that’s NOTHING.

      • Unholy Juggalo

        Dude tell your mom she was a bad teacher then she not teach me all to good

        • http://deadpigeonproductions.com/ PaulterA

          “She not teach me all to good.” HENCE the lack of English comprehension.

          • Unholy Juggalo

            that was the point fuck face

        • MasonicWehrmacht

          Die.

    • Genial Gentile

      That’s a pretty typical Xtian comment…and very Christ-like of you to determine who is and isn’t allowed to join your club. Please tell us all what constitutes a “real” Christian.

      • TanyaRocksMe

        To be a christian you must confess it verbally and be ready to stand for what you believe even in the face of adversity, as well as live according to the lifestyle outlined by the bible. So many Christians don’t understand this and those are what everyone thinks of when they think “Christian” because the bad apples leave longer lasting and more powerful memories than good ones.

        • Isaac

          But what do we do about the glaring contradictions that show up throughout? And what do we interpret literally, and what do we interpret metaphorically or otherwise not literally? And how do we know that the bible, thousands of years old, is still accurate to its original text, with the many hands and many translations it surely has gone through?

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tom-Boyd/1682490002 Tom Boyd

            There haven’t been any proven contradictions throughout the Bible. And what you interpret literally is up to you. And think about this; people accept Alexander the Great’s life as well-documented, historical event, but even that, based strictly on the amounts of hands it’s gone through and how long it’s been around, is a debatable fact.
            And also, I made no assumptions of who could and could not ‘join my club;’ but based on their actions, (i.e. 20 years of lying to their fans and speaking/acting in a hateful manner) I can safely assume that they’ve missed the point. TanyaRocksMe got it right. A real Christian is someone who has accepted Christ’s sacrifice for us, and consequently lives according to that. we are commanded to love everyone as we love ourselves, so we do. The Bible also says you will “know us by our fruits”(Matthew 7:18-20) and ICP clearly do not bear “Godly fruit.”

          • TanyaRocksMe

            Most of the bible you can interpret literally, as its teachings are largely applicable to modern society. It’s in Revelation that things get fuzzy, and I am no expert on Revelation so I won’t comment on that. Also, we know the bible is accurate because the Gospels were written and/or dictated by eyewitnesses, people who saw the things written about with their own eyes. In 3000 more years people could still doubt that anything that happened in this day and age really happened, but it did. The same principle applies here-established credibility proves it, and the bible authors establish their credibility when they write.

          • DemonicLemming

            “The Bible says the world is only a couple thousand years old, but it’s all in how you INTERPRET their meaning of ‘years!’”

            Give me a fucking break. Anyone who honestly wants to argue that the Bible is historically accurate in all aspects has no concept of “scientific rigour”.

          • DemonicLemming

            Oh, and since I forgot to include it – when the fuck did the act of describing an act one saw instantly cause it to become irrefutable fact? And how in the hell does that, in any way, establish credibility?

            Just because I see something happen doesn’t mean I saw the entire event, understand the actual concepts of what happened, or would be able to furnish a proper description of the event. Nor would writing about what I saw turn it into cast-iron fact. If you want to use that logic, explain why the Bible is true, but the Qu’ran isn’t, nor is the underpinning of the Mormon sect. Those people saw it; they wrote about it; it must therefore be true too, yes?

            Do you people live in the real world, or the one you’ve created to perpetuate the myth that the Bible is anything but a collection of stories – some true, some not – to act as a moral guidebook for its religion?

          • jxk

            NOTHING in the bible was meant to be interpreted literally. Just read it from a neutral point-of-view and it makes much more sense that it was a collection of stories, not facts. Of the published gospels, two were written by the same person (according to historians), not to mention the dozens of others that didn’t make the cut. It’s a great book, but inspired an absurd religion.

            Alexander the Great’s life and achievements have been supported by tangible evidence without contradictions. Biblical “evidence” is backwards rationalism.

            TanyaRocksMe was absolutely right that many self-proclaimed christians don’t understand the meaning of what they’re trying to be a part of. ICP epitomize this hypocrisy and represent the absolute dregs of american society. Their only religion is money and ignorance.

        • Cary Hutchison

          To stand up for what you believe in, and fight for what’s right. That’s TURTLE POWER!

          • BadMongoMan

            The Bible (gospels) was not written by eyewitnesses. It was written by people who TALKED to people who claim to be eyewitnesses. Sometimes even by people who talked to people who talked to people that claim to be eyewitnesses.

            Also, the life of Alexander the Great and most of the accepted classical history was written by scholars who sought to obtain objectivity.

            The gospels were written by religious fanatics in an obscure hellenistic mystery-religion.

        • http://evilsausage.livejournal.com/ Evil

          You ever heard of the No True Scotsman Fallacy? Here’s how it works:

          When a self-described Christian does something stupid or fucked up (like going on a killing spree, or recording sub-literate horrorcore rap cd’s), other Christians, not wanting to be associated with them, will tell everyone who will listen that those guys aren’t REAL Christians.

          But it IS a fallacy. The rest of the world KNOWS that anyone who says they’re a Christian probably is one. Worshiping Jesus is the only way to gain admission to the club. What you do after that is irrelevant, as long as you still believe. So yeah, if these two nimrods say they worship Jesus, then I’m left with no other choice than to assume that they do, which would mean that they’re Christians, whether or not that fact pleases you.

          • MasonicWehrmacht

            @Tom Boyd “There haven’t been any proven contradictions throughout the Bible.” HAHAHAHA all you have to do is google ‘Bible contradictions’ and you will be flooded with thousands of pages and examples. You tool. It is called Folklore. I suggest you pick up a book by Alan Dundes called “Holy Writ as Oral Lit: The Bible as Folklore”.

            http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Writ-Oral-Lit-Folklore/dp/0847691985

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Travis-Downey/541071247 Travis Downey

    Ask the Double Rainbow guy about rainbows not being a miracle.

    • Colin

      LAWLSSSS

    • matt

      win!

    • Peter Griffin

      Finally, a comment worth reading!

  • DemonicLemming

    If the article in question was the same one I read on the Guardian.uk site this morning, such an abrupt about-face shouldn’t be surprising – from that interview, it’s safe to say they’re about one point above being functionally retarded.

    Fuckin’ eugenics, how’s it work? Real simple, we drown Juggalos at birth.

    • Conrad

      Did your Dad not hug you as a kid?

      • DemonicLemming

        No, he took me hunting.

        The fuck did that one come from?

        • Monkey Knife Fight

          This is fucking gold.

  • Sambo

    I’m a Christian and I hate ICP. But who doesn’t?

  • The Curmudgeon

    I don’t think anyone believes they’re really Christians and it’s a pretty obvious ploy to sell more albums. Their whole shtick is getting quite old so they need a new image to sell.

    • matt

      this story is 8 years old…

      • The Curmudgeon

        So their shtick was old and they changed their image 8 years ago. I don’t follow ICP and this article was the first I heard about them being Christians.

        PS. What are these guys like when they’re not doing their act?

  • Girth Brooks

    faith=superstition. and yah, no one in their right minds take christians seriously. or mormons. or church of christ. or nazis. And keep the juggalo shit off this site unless its fat people in juggolo shirts are something. thats funny.

  • kmfcm

    Yeah, I don’t think anyone took that one song where they came out all that serious. . . .hence the surprise.

    Just makes the whole that much funnier.

  • http://www.theblacklaser.net Joe the Wizard

    I thought I might have something funny to add to this, but I just don’t. ICP fucking sucks. Anyone who takes them seriously is an imbecile. And, really, who gives a shit? Fuck those idiots.

    Wow, I am cranky-pants today. Where’s my new Pig Destroyer record?

    • matt

      icp says it themselves that if you take what they say seriously, you are a fucking retard…its music

      do you take die antword serious???

      • http://www.theblacklaser.net Joe The Wizard

        Of course not. But then you’ve clearly clicked through to my site. I don’t think anyone takes Die Antwoord seriously, but there are legions of Juggalos out there who are very serious about ICP.

        And, really, I couldn’t care less. I don’t even know why I’m typing this.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

          die antwoord shits all over ICP though. as far as gimmicky rap groups go, they’re much more talented. ICP are god awful. that’s kinda close to god i guess. one word difference.

          • http://www.theblacklaser.net Joe The Wizard

            Yes, Die Antwoord slays.

  • josh

    disgusting.they are a perfect representation of typical christians.anyone here see what they did to tila tequila?typical christian misogyny

    • matt

      they didnt do anyhting to her..that invited her to play the gathering…gave her a job….she had her tits out..and like most normal people in america..nobody likes her….add beer…bam!

      • Isaac

        “They didn’t do anything to her”
        “Even though they totally did”

  • Cladgemeister

    Ironically enough, when I was reading this article there was an ad on the side of the page for Bible Software.

    • Captain Derp

      That’s not irony, dumbass.

  • Rudiger

    isn’t a volcano just an angry hill?

    • brandonmetal

      awesome

  • hankmccain

    Axl is really mad at ICP lmfao… You’re pretty sensitive if you let them get under your skin to this extent. Ignore them if you don’t like them. Focus on good posts about good metal.

  • hankmccain

    Furthermore, news about this band ‘following god’ is older than shit. Can you guys also fill me in on who won the civil war?

    • matt

      exactly

  • outcider

    I’m thinking that when they sing about shooting their clown females in the face, they don’t mean with guns? j

  • DemonicLemming

    Saying ICP fans are “typical Christians” is about as accurate as calling Varg a “typical metalhead”.

    No wonder normal people think metalheads are fucking retards.

  • TonyT

    DEATH TO ALL JUGGALOS

    • Unholy Juggalo

      Being it bitch I’ll fuck you up

      • TonyT

        ^lol retard

      • http://evilsausage.livejournal.com/ Evil

        BEING it? LMAO typical jughead.

  • matt

    metallica cut their hair now they suck…oh thats old news too my bad

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Sean-Heron/9391234 Ryan Sean Heron

    ICP are apparently even dumber than they look. and that ; my friends, is a miracle

  • shpostal

    Tell this to the next Christian who tries to shove his faith up your ass and cries about how prayer ought to be back in public schools. “If you won’t pray in our public schools, I won’t use my brain in church.”

    • krunkulor5000

      haha, funny seems like alot try to shove their non faith in my face and whine about petty things. Another note, i believe when prayer was taken out of schools guns came in hahaha (openureyesasshole).This is about the progression of your own spirit, some Christians don’t even know this, as the battle wages, the enemy can infiltrate and only allow the negative to be seen thus others fear and run. btw, FUCK ICP

  • Discipleofthewatch

    I’ll be in hell with Dio also.

    • Shitz Nolte

      Amen.

  • josh

    Fucking repentance, how does it work?

  • Elvis Shot JFK

    Forget what ICP and the Juggalos have become, go back a bit and take a look/listen to The Great Milenko and The Amazing Jeckel Brothers. Sure, there’s maniacal clown shit and the early mutations that helped turn them into that which we love to loathe today, but there actually is some deeper stuff.

    Yes, I know I’m actually defending ICP. Actually, I’m sort of defending what they were talking about well over a decade ago. I don’t know what their views are today and I’ve barely heard anything they’ve done since then, but they actually had some decent stuff at one time that I think was worth listening to.

    Flame on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Serj-Martinez/1457213264 Serj Martinez

    Everyone get angry real quick cause this is eight year old news about a not metal band!!!! 123 GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Rob

    Galatians 5:22-23
    “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.”

    If their music spawning violence, idolatry, gang activities, and murder, I don’t know if their “message” is coming across. I think it is horrible when someone claims to be a Christian when their life is not a reflection of it.

    • BadMongoMan

      List of bands allegedly spawning violence, murder, gang activities etc:

      Elvis
      Rolling Stones
      Beatles
      Led Zeppelin
      Deep Purple
      Twisted Sister
      KISS
      Judas Priest
      Black Sabbath
      Ozzy
      Dio
      Metallica
      Iron Maiden
      Slayer
      Nine Inch Nails
      Pantera

      They should all be banned. Because we all know the major reason people go on killing sprees and beat their wives is because of band-lyrics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

    ICP are about as evangelical christian as chili’s is fine dining.

  • Mason

    Dear satan, I have never laughed harder in my life than I did while reading this interview. What a bunch of dumbasses!

  • fetusbbq

    I read most of these ICP articles for the same reason I can’t stop fuckin with the burnt spot on the roof of my mouth….and if it wasn’t for this unholy ass-hat I wouldn’t have read half the comments on this one….good show

  • L

    Tom Boyd, who believes there are no documented contradictions in the bible: please google the omerides. For contradictions within the bible, please carefully read the coflivting creation stories in genesis.

  • L

    Tom Boyd, who believes there are no documented contradictions in the bible: please google the omrides. For contradictions within the bible, please carefully read the coflivting creation stories in genesis.

  • MasonicWehrmacht

    There is not one single shred of evidence that this Jesus Christ ever existed – just like there is no evidence that Thor existed (though I would much prefer he did). There were hundreds of historians that thoroughly chronicled the years around which Jesus was supposed to exist, yet there is a complete lack of anyone ever seeing/meeting or even hearing of him. Oh, history.

  • kris

    On a bad day, ICP can shit out something thats 10 times better than this nerdy little blog.

  • Unholy Juggalo

    you guys just hate something that you don’t understand this is typical among metals they thing that they don’t understand it’s kind of sad

    fucking metalheads, how do they work?

    • Bean

      Fucking engrish… damn, I lost it. How does it go again?

      • Unholy Juggalo

        well all I know is you fail at life and lets just leave it at the note

  • argpirate

    Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, muslim…whatever. ICP still sucks balls. I’d rather listen to The Lonely Island than ICP. ICP’s only positive is the fact that their songs end.
    That being said, I’m going to drink more beer and listen to Anaal Nathrakh. Cheers.

  • jeff

    ISIAIh 41 BRING forth your IDOLS did they PREACH to you see they can’t speak they can’t DO ANYTHING all they do is cause confusion. spalms 115 and spalms 135 thier IDOLS are FALSE cant speak can’t hear cant smell and those that make them shall become like them. Jeremiah 10 they nail their IDOL down like a scarecrow it can’t move can’…t speak can’t move must be carried these are nothing but the WORK of CON men.john 10 jesus christ sais his sheep hear his voice and another voice thy will not follow and if another person tries to preach to them they WILL FLEE from him. jeremiah 5 the priests bear rule on their own authority what will you do when your judged my word is not inside them. Now here is the kicker john 5 son of man voice goes back in time mathew 16 jesus christ claims to be the son of man.‎1 cor2 mind of CHRIST preached internally and john 16 sais the spirit of truth comes in the future. Ezekiel 13 lying prophets of ISRAEL my word is not inside them saying god sais god sais god sais wrote hoping mankind would CONFIRM their WORDS. all of this is EASILY verifiable.