SAD BUT TRUE: DOC COYLE WEIGHS IN ON SERGEANT D.’S “BAND LIFE IS FOR LOSERS” THEORY

Friday, March 18th, 2011 at 4:30pm by

 

I was inspired to put some thoughts down after reading Sergeant D.’s post about what a terrible decision it is to commit yourself to the band life at a young age, because eventually the wheels will fall off and you’ll end up just like some morose version of the Anvil story: Sad, old, broke, and disillusioned by shattered dreams of rock stardom.  I know his blog was supposed to be funny and sarcastic, and was even sprinkled with a hint of sour grapes: Not getting to be that “cool band guy,” but justice being served down the line by seeing how those guys ended up. But I have to say that post hit home for me, because in many ways it was about me. I mean generally, not specifically. I’m pretty sure Sergeant D. didn’t follow me around and base his post on me autobiographically.

I graduated high school mentally unprepared for the real world; I never really grasped the idea that I would have to get up everyday and work a job I didn’t feel connected to for the rest of my life. Being a “grown up” was something I didn’t want any part of and couldn’t relate to.  Music was the only thing I really loved, and I seemed to be good at it, or, at least, it seemed to come easier to me than most of my peers in the local scene I was involved in. I didn’t picture myself being a musician for a living, either. My heroes, like Pantera and Megadeth, were mythical to me. The idea that you could actually do that with your life just didn’t seem real at the time, so I just went with the flow and didn’t really set any long term life goals or follow any solid decrees. I only lasted one semester in college, and left to work to focus on God Forbid because it felt like we were on to something. Within a year of leaving school, the band was signed to Century Media, and within two years, we all quit our jobs and transitioned to being a full-time touring band.  That was ten years ago.

I just turned 30 in October 2010, and I spent my 20’s mostly on the road experiencing things I never thought were possible.  There was a moment the first day of Ozzfest 2004 when Mark Morton from Lamb of God and I stood at the soundboard watching Black Sabbath, and we looked at each other and toasted our beers to the fact that, just six years earlier, we hade started out doing basement shows together, playing to only one person, and were now on tour with the band that started heavy metal. It wasn’t a moment of everlasting victory, but it did signify that if it all ended the next day, we at least got to say that we did something special. Unfortunately, reminiscing about these moments, where we choose to stop and smell the roses, doesn’t tell the whole story.

I and the rest of God Forbid have achieved a relative amount of notable success. Selling over 300,000 records globally, hitting the Billboard charts, sharing the stage with legends, seeing the world many times over, getting videos played on MTV, and actually making a mark and connecting with a significant amount of people who legitimately love what you do are achievements to be proud of.  Being a moderate success can, ironically ,stifle you in some ways, because you get some of the same hype and press the vastly bigger bands, but you are truly in a different class. We did well enough to make ends meet while touring, but once we came off the road for a significant amount of time, we would have to find odd jobs to live. That always reminded you that you were never really too far from who you were before the hoopla began.

One thing that struck me is how people are kind of vicariously invested in your success. They really want to believe that you had made it, and it disappoints them to see you working a regular job, even if it’s temporary.  That occurrence adds insult to injury, because no one should really have to feel bad about just doing what they have to in order to survive (unless maybe you’re sucking dick for cheeseburgers). It’s hard enough to go out there and man up by getting a low-end, low-pay, low-respect job to make ends meet ,which is in stark contrast to doing what you love for months or even years on end.

So here I am, 30 years old, with no degree, no significant normal work experience to put on a resumé, no wife or kids, not much money, and still not sure what I would do if I gave up music. And I’ll tell you this, that documentary on Anvil was like a horror movie to me. That would be my worst nightmare, to in my forties or fifties and still trying to make it big. Luckily, although I’m an optimist, I also have a great streak of realism and pragmatism built into my psyche. If I can’t lay a path to be a real deal, sustained career musician in the next three or four years, I will certainly start exploring other options.

With all of that said, I have no regrets. I wouldn’t have done it any different if given another chance. If you only look at the things you don’t have, you will lead a very depressing life. I’ve had the amazing opportunity to create and perform as a living on a very grand stage for most of my adult life. That makes me a very lucky person. You would not believe how many guys come up to me who have good jobs, kids, wives, and mortgages, who tell me to never stop, because they wish that they could have had just a taste of my life.

No disrespect to the Sarge, but luckily for all of you prospective “band guys” out there, there is not only one way to do this whole music thing. For every rock star wannabe/has-been, there are probably 5-10 guys who toured for a year or two and decided that it wasn’t for them as a career, and went and got a regular job and started families. These guys might not do it full-time, but they still play because they love it. I think a lot of musicians are even more artistically legitimate when they don’t have to make a living off of it.

There are also guys out there who do it full-time, and are moderately successful, like me, but are smart and just straight-up hustle. These guys do well with their bands, but also start merch companies, recording studios, labels, or management companies, or maybe they teach guitar on the side or tattoo or do graphic design or maybe a business that has nothing to do with music. They get the fact that if you aren’t in Metallica, you may have to create other revenue streams to live a somewhat comfortable adult life.

Speaking of Metallica, let’s not forget the bands that actually do make it. It is the rare exception, and becoming even rarer in this modern age of the record industry, but if you get to the inner circle, you can make a great living. But be prepared to live on the road, which you may end up resenting.

Last but not least, there are the straight-up lifers. These guys may be in their 30’s or 40’s, and in a band that’s not very successful, but they live and breathe music to their very core. They don’t really even have aspirations of being a rock star. These guys often end up working for bands as roadies just to be close to the action. They just want to be around it, because not being a part of it is symbolic death. I actually have the most amount of respect for the lifers, even if it’s not who I am, because they know exactly who they are and where they belong. They are committed in the face of scorn.

Ultimately, the truth is that there is not only one way to live life. Not all of us will be gratified by the “go to college, get a job, get a wife, have kids, house and picket fence” narrative that’s been sold to us. I guess I just don’t want any up-and-comers to be dissuaded from following their dreams. I could be wrong, but it’s just my two cents on the matter.

-Doc Coyle

Visit God Forbid on MySpace.

 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Cunningham/100000167213200 Brandon Cunningham

    its good to read an optimistic article on this site for once! good job, and i hope it influences some snot nosed kid to follow his aspirations.

  • Hetal

    Word.

  • yzermantiis

    This was very good. +1

  • Driven9

    your the man Doc.

    • D’z

      *you’re

      • TomithyTTomilson

        Get a life you arrogant fuck head and stop searching comment sections so you can correct people’s spelling mistakes.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Austin-Pearl-Nutter/1418565949 Austin Pearl Nutter

          Overreact much?

        • cocksucker

          Get educated, so that no one get’s corrected.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Robson/1375985482 Ben Robson

            *gets

            :P

          • future deleted post

            nice educated response. ha

          • jeff

            ^
            fucking trolled
            :D

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathan-Wisdom/507819479 Nathan Wisdom

        **You are

      • Driven9

        wow kids… calm down.

  • Dingas McCloud

    You are the man Doc, well done.

  • Cpt. Howdy

    Great band, great man, great words.

    • djabthrash

      1

  • REDSKY
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Keith-Brown/537636633 Keith Brown

    Yes. Yes. A million times, yes

  • MikeForbid

    “I’m pretty sure Sergeant D. didn’t follow me around and base his post on me autobiographically.”

    *biographically

    “And he slayed in God Forbid.”

  • Matt S

    *tips hat*

  • Isaac

    I’m going to go to college THEN start a band so I have something to fall back on.

    • Justin

      same here buddy. a lot of people don’t realize being in a band costs you exponentially more money than it makes you. Im taking a break from full time banding right now, just working on my chops and studying my ass off. I’m about 6 units away from an A.A. 2 more years i’ll have a degree and all the time in the world to start a band

      • Vinsanity

        same here ill have a b.s. in biology this may, still play, and would love to get together with old band mates and do something. im working on my chops and songwriting too. not looking to make money, just to make art and have fun. great article though; its cool getting insight like that.

        • David

          This shit all sounds cool but most people graduate in debt in a flooded job market. Have fun trying to pay off a student loan with the income from a band.

          You can start a band for fun in your off-time after college, but unless you have someone to live off of, you’re not going to be doing anything but playing to myspace and local bars.

          • Justin

            bet i got less debt than you, and i play better gigs

    • CrownofWorms

      That worked for Dream Theater

  • Vakarm

    Gave that bitch a cheesburger

    Bitches love cheesburgers

  • Nick

    Everything you are saying makes alot of sense and I would have loved to be in a band and toured the world and stuff, but come back to us in 10 years and tell us how you are. Maybe you will be doing great and have a great career going, but maybe you won’t. I think not having a backround in something can hurt in the end. Its like someone who plays sports till they 30 but never makes it to the big leagues. If you don’t have something to fall back on you are screwed, in the end very few make it and I see alot of guys in bands that I thought were so cool when I was younger and that I looked up to and now I wouldn’t wish to be in their shoes for a second. It obviously goes both ways. I have seen God Forbid I a number of times at the Wayne Fire House, Obessions in Randolph NJ, Dingbatz in Clifton and you guys were great, I wish you the best of luck.

    • jadedkid

      What you’re saying here is exactly where i’ve put myself in my life and it’s a scary place to be. I’m 23 and the only thing i learned how to do is play music. I’ve been working medial jobs since high school with eyes fixed on taking advantage full time touring opportunity. When i was younger i was definitely naive to the reality of the financial situation that creates but as Doc said, some people just know in their hearts that they need more to satisfy themselves than a 9-5. I am where i am and there’s nothing for me to fall back on so at this point, regardless of where it puts me in the end, this is what i did with my life.
      I’ll figure my shit out the best i can but i don’t want to be the guy who’s 50 and says/thinks “man i could have been on tour with the people i love seeing things most people never will. But i traded it for 2.5 kids a mortgage and a 3 car garage.”

  • JB

    4/6 people in my band are in college, not a single one the same college, and only two in the same state even. Two are full time workers, one with a nursing and music degree and the other with no college experience but has become a professional chef. We dont make our living off music, which i think is why we are able to put forth our best efforts into it.

  • Sergeant D

    Sup brah- good post!

    Just to be clear, while I’d like to think my posts have some truthiness in them, I am a comedy writer and nothing I say should be taken too seriously.

    Also, pretty sure you sent me a god forbid demo back in like 1999 when I had a zine. Congrats on sticking with it for so long! (srs)

    • Doc

      Thanks. You’re articles kick ass! I think some of the best comedy is riddled with revelations and truth. That’s what makes the “did your ever notice” lines funny. I’m sure we did send you a demo. We were straight hustlin’ back in the day!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shane-Falco-Quinlan/57003613 Shane Falco Quinlan

        I love this moment that happened in the space above me.

        • Matt

          +1 for bro love.

  • No-ghost

    Who asked you doc? Jesus. Me me me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Robson/1375985482 Ben Robson

      god forbid he give his opinion on a relevant issue.

      …lol geddit cause he’s in GOD FORBID

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Butler/100000300276967 James Butler

        this had potential… but then you ruined it with the “hey look, im trying to make a joke”…

  • Anthony

    I’m 1 month away from finishing university and getting my Bachelor of Commerce, and I still don’t know what the fuck i’m going to do with my life.

    • somedouche

      fascinating.

      • Anthony

        Fuck you.

      • pete

        What a fitting name.

  • nepenthe

    that was very well written

  • GOMEZ FSU

    FSU IS COMING TO BEAT ALL YOUR ASSES NO ONE DISRESPECTS THE DOC HES DOWN WITH THE CREW

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alexander-Jacobs/100000030228475 Alexander Jacobs

      Well said, sir.

    • djabthrash

      hahaha :)

  • ITTOA666

    Well said.

  • Beat Stall

    Loved the Trailer Park Boys reference. Cheers!

  • AB

    Hey Doc, this article really hit home for me. Cause I directly experiences that ” vicarious investment in success” type thing with a member in your band, I ran into him in Edison,NJ in a Children’s department store I won’t mention and had to pick up a bike . He was the one that gave me that item, and it was so weird to see him working a regular job. But, now that I think about it, my naiveness is the only thing that really should have shocked me that day……

  • Jewers

    Great read.

  • CJ

    Great article, Doc.If I ever manage to get my shit together enough to start really making music I’ll keep this essay close to my heart.

  • Booker

    Interesting post. It’s been said many times before, but the music scene has become much more diverse and really when you look at something like the ‘big 4′ it’s very unlikely bands are going to make that level of popularity any more, the scene is so much more diverse with sub-sub-genre-core-djent-technical death-jazz-fusion-cross-over..etc.. so I’d imagine there’ll be a lot more bands working on the side in order to keep following the music dream. As you say, nothing wrong with that.

    Also, for a post from the other side… I’m about to graduate with a PhD in neuroscience, I’m 32, got a girlfriend (no wife & kids), a house but really it just belongs to the bank, and if I got laid off next week I’d be pretty screwed financially.. so don’t worry taking the ‘other path’ of getting an education, work experience, etc. isn’t really all it’s cracked up to be! Having said that, although putting it in those words makes me look like I’m following the ‘college, house, wife, kids, picket fence’ theme, I have no desire to live that path, and never have…. it’s not the 1950s anymore, there’s so much more diversity, so many opportunities.. it’s that the life you want, go for it, but for me that’s someone else’s dream.

    I enjoy what I do (really every job/career has pros and cons, but overall being a scientist is good for me), and most important.. I still fucking love metal \m/

    All the best with God Forbid

  • Will

    Awesome read!

  • Johnny

    I’m going to go as far to say as this is one of the best posts I have ever read on this website. Hit home pretty hard. I’m 21 and just beginning what will hopefully be a successful career in music, and a lot of your thoughts have ran through my head multitudes of times.

    I refuse to watch that Anvil movie because I fear what it contains.

    Great post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alejandro-Aldana/683878171 Alejandro Aldana

    that anvil movie was scary as shit to me too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mikey-Vee/502827008 Mikey Vee

    “I think a lot of musicians are even more artistically legitimate when they don’t have to make a living off of it.”

    SNAP!

    • paganheart

      This. This. This. This. This. (Did I say This?) ;-)

  • Officer Layhee

    Totally hit home or me, props to the trailer park boys quote too!

  • thegreatadrianing

    Hey doc. Please write more articles and records

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mjllnir-Loudermilk/1237301216 Mjöllnir Loudermilk

    “can i fix your watch?” – dan spitz

  • paganheart

    Damn, this guy gets it.

    Doc, you have a great attitude and a wise soul. I’ve been a metal (and music) fan going back longer than I care to admit, and this piece encapsulates a lot of things that I have been thinking recently but haven’t been able to articulate well myself. Very, very well said. Based on what you’ve written on this site, I think you could easily find work as a writer down the line. Thank you for your words.

  • halloway

    Not to mention the greatness that this music inspires. That is the true (by)product of these sonic creations.

    As previously mentioned, Doc, you kick ass. Thanks for being a legitimately awesome dude.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dan-Burton/784250631 Dan Burton

    Some of my good friends have been in moderately successful bands, to the extent of playing Download, high profile supports and having a general buzz about them in the late 90s/early 00s. None of them have any university education or, as Doc pointed out, no significant employment history to add to a CV, they’re all in their 30s and they’re now starting to realise that things are going to be tough for them now. All they know is music, a few of them are starting up new bands or reforming their original outfits, some of them teach music and one guy does art for bands. But, one thing that always strikes me, is that despite their profile being relatively large in the past, they’re now just living a normal life. Bands who you think are huge, and are raking in the money, realistically, aren’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Martijn-ter-Haar/1666278076 Martijn ter Haar

    I noticed that a relatively large percentage of the members of Scandinavian metal bands work as teachers. It’s the perfect job for a musician: long fixed holidays which can be used for touring and no rat race for promotions which you miss out on if you’re away often.

  • reznik

    God forbid need to pick themselves up and start shredding again, 4 real

  • trence75

    I play in a band and have for a long time .sometimes my family will ask why I dont just quit? If I’m not trying to “make it” whats the point? They dont get it. My brother is a golfer. I asked him if he was gonna make the pga tour ?he says no “i just like playing golf” . I told him to just quit. Theres no point to play just cause you like it.he thought I had lost my mind… Oh I guess I fit in the “lifer”category

  • snacrifice

    Hey, BOOKER you got laid off next week? Do you own a time machine?

    • Booker

      ha ha I wish… * if I get laid off next week

  • Ray Peterson212

    This is exactly why I love metal so much. Many guys do it not because they want to drive a nice car or live in a fancy house, but because they love what they do. I think that it shows in the music. I have much respect for metal bands, because most of them don’t make a lot of money and don’t have families back home etc. I know when bands are on tour they make enough money to live, even though everyone says they are broke and cant afford to eat. Good for you Doc, I am not biggest God Forbid fan but I appreciate the mentality and optimism you have for your job.

    • Aaron R A

      Well, you’ve obviously never toured in a band.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Drew-Zalucky/9021682 Drew Zalucky

    Great Article Doc- very well written too- your point about “symbolic death” is exactly right

  • betterthanezra

    You had me until “Visit God Forbid on Myspace”

  • Rob

    Great article.

  • James

    Hey what are you doing now? Oh yeah nothing. Your solo shit you write will never even sell 1000 copies and you’ll never make another “semi-successful” band.

    Time to join the normal workforce you lazy fuck, maybe you can tell a co-worker in the break room about how you were friends with Lamb of God and impress them.

    Go smoke pot.

    • TT

      Huh??

    • Ben Robson

      uhm, it was DALLAS coyle who left God Forbid. not Doc.

  • VyceVictus

    MS plugged a documentary made by the vocalist in Carbomb titled “Why You Do This” awhile back which I caught in a New York film festival recently. Very related to this subject, as it chronicles the bands few highs and soul crushing lows of touring and being broke. It really highlighted how utterly pathetic a band can feel touring for weeks in shit conditions, playing to no one, and coming home in debt.

    It did touch upon the brighter side of things such as their tour with Gojira and interviews with Randy Blythe and other metal heavyweights. In the end, he concluded that leaving some type of small mark or legacy on others who truly dig his art was worth more than all the years he worked at his job which would ultimately be forgotten in the face of his inevitable layoff. I highly recommend tracking that film down if you get the chance.

    • http://www.leopardmoon.com lilah wild

      “In the end, he concluded that leaving some type of small mark or legacy on others who truly dig his art was worth more than all the years he worked at his job which would ultimately be forgotten in the face of his inevitable layoff.”

      I came around this as well – most artists are going through it – what kind of regrets are you most comfortable living with, because opening one door means a couple of others will close no matter what you do. The thing about all that time playing but no resume experience, right. (A shame, because touring shows you’re a damn hard worker)

      But, day job, so what, as long as I get to keep writing stories. Those will be what’s left of my life when I go, not TPS reports.

  • Dissolution

    Way cool. Great article by Seargent D and Doc, kudos to both of you!

    I’m in a band – and have been since I’ve been 18. Switched bands a few times but Ive been in Proven for like 3 years now. We’ve toured, released a full length since I’ve been in the band, and are getting ready to drop another EP. We’re also in the studio working on new stuff too.

    Its a blast. We’ve never played with Sabbath but we do get to open for all the bands that I love coming through town – Times of Grace (got to meet 3/5ths of KsE), Chimaira, Shadows Fall, Dillinger Escape Plan, Terror, Emmure, Amon Amarth, Bury Your Dead, Biohazard, etc.

    The full length we just dropped was recorded with Billy from Biohzarard.

    Instead of going 100% in band – I got a job as a helpdesk tech so I could buy merch and gear. I didn’t want to be a dead beat. I wanted my band to have nice shit. I bought the drum set, owned 90% of the bands entire gear, etc. (Not proven, but my first band). Saw my old drummer the other day – he’s still using that same drum set I bought 10 years ago.

    Anyway, I’ve progressed my career to the point that I make over 70K a year while being in an ACTIVE band. We’ve toured the US, Ireland and play out alot. We’ve had a drummer issue which has prevented us from touring the last year but once we get that worked out – we’ll be touring again.

    Its working out to be about $1000 per song for a good sounding recording so our 10 song full length cost me about $10K. Fucking expensive but guess what – THATS WHY I HAVE MY JOB! Fuck having a label – we don’t need one. Shit doesnt’ move as quick but it makes every time we accomplish something just that much more special – it was because of my hard work and band members hard work.

    And our band won’t get signed. I have no illusions but we’re doing exactly what we want to. Our crowds are getting bigger and bigger and more and more people know and respect us. Fucking A right. And when it comes time to hang it up – I’ll probably be at $100K a year. Not too shabby.

    I could do the band thing….or own guns/motorcycle. Haha. Fuck that noise.

  • Spanky

    Excellent post. I am married and have a professional career and still play in a band. We don’t tour, nor are we really interested in touring, but we love playing and are dedicated to creating music. Isn’t that what really counts anyway?