THIS IS *REAL* HARDCORE, FRUITS [via the neighborhood]

Monday, May 2nd, 2011 at 4:30pm by

If you like songs about castles, monsters, and wizards, you are probably a metal fan. And I get it: what better way to escape from the brutal reality of being, well, who you are?? I can’t fault you for wanting to escape, but that’s never been me. I like the way metal sounds, but I can’t get with the ridiculous lyrics, costumes and all that. When it comes down to it I am a hardcore kid, and I will always like bands who keep it real (even if they end up being a little bit lulzy along the way). More specifically, I have a pretty serious self-destructive streak, so I’ve always been drawn to bands who are more about being fucked up, confused and angry than emo/p0litical [via college freshmen].

When a lot of these bands come up, the fanboys come out of the woodwork with third-hand stories about stuff they supposedly did and how tough and “crazy” they are. You won’t find any of that here– I’ll save the gossip for the little girls and Euro fanbois, but if you are interested you can consult the Bridge 9 “Hardcore rumors and myths” thread, Frank 151′s DMS issue, or my interview with Ezec and fap away. This is about their actual music, not addressing your feelings of inadequacy by making up exaggerated stories about guys in bands to turn them into the alpha male you always wished you could be.

In this post, I will share some of my favorite REAL HARDCORE bands- I’m leaving out the obvious stuff like Terror, Hatebreed, etc because we all know about that. I’m also not including any emo, political or artsy bands, so no Chokehold, Converge, Botch, and all that nonsense. And if you want to show everyone that “you really know what you’re talking about” and tell me that I should be into JFA, Violent Children, Impact Unit, and Deep Wound that’s cool too- feel free to leave a comment to that effect!

OLC “Real Domain”

I lived in Cleveland when these guys were at their peak (late 90s), and at the time I just thought they were a bunch of fat, ignorant assholes (although John Lockjaw and Chubby Fresh were always real friendly and nice to me). Now that I think about it, though, they were 100% on point: snot-nosed, know-it-all kids from the suburbs who run their mouth to the wrong people deserve a beating. “You ignorant kid, you punk-rock backwoods fuck / Rebel against the norm, try to rebel towards me” is one of the best lines in the history of hardcore and I completely support anybody who puts some kid with a big mouth in his place.

I may have told this story before, but one of the best/weirdest moments of my life was interviewing Mean Steve in 1997 with my friend Bobby at his tanning salon. It was hard to do the interview, because like every 45 seconds he would have to answer the phone by saying “Thank you for calling Sunbelievable, this is Steve, may I help you?”

Irate “NY Metal”

Don’t know much about this band except that this album is a seriously fucking underrated NYHC classic. As far as I’m concerned, these guys are up there with Merauder when it comes to combining legit metal riffing with the brutality, aggression and groove of hardcore, and this record is a key fixture on my gym playlists. As weird as it sounds, these guys actually have a pretty significant softer side, with songs like “I Remember” and “Depression” getting emo in a brutal kind of way.

Vietnom “Talkin Shit”

My friend who is locked up for murder loves this band. His favorite line is “Stare, beware, bring the motherfuckin hardware. I know you’re scared, I can see you shittin’ in your underwear.” Personally I liked “Takin what you got, blowin up your spot” a little better, but whatever– this track is a banger from start to finish. No idea what happened to these guys but they had some swagger!

Furious Styles “Words Of A King”

When it comes to punk and hardcore, Seattle is mostly known for our shrill, annoying, artsy bands like Botch, Blood Brothers, Murder City Devils, and so forth. That’s too bad, because there were some awesome bands over the years who played real hardcore: Left With Nothing, Everything Went Black, and of course FURIOUS STYLES. They had a couple records, but I liked their 2005 demo best, and this is their signature track in my opinion- mandatory for all gym playlists.

Skarhead “DFF”

When it comes to thugged out party songs, there is nobody better than the one and only Skarhead! I got their first 10″ when I was like 16, and obviously it was way over my head, so the older and sleazier I get the more I love this band. That should probably make me question some of my life choices, but fuck it– if you get what the line “put the straw in the back, fuck breaking the rocks” means, we are bros.

Too Pure To Die “For Me This Is Life”

In contrast to many of the grimy, thugged out bands I like Iowa’s TPTD were a good old-fashioned, no-frills moshcore band along the lines of old Throwdown. I guess they have some other albums, but I didn’t like them as much as this one- I love listening to songs like “X The Fuck Up” when I am drunk/high and finger-pointing while I sing along.

Death Threat “Now Here Fast”

Not sure why so many people hate on this band, but to me they are up there with greats like Terror when it comes to desperate regretcore. Most of their songs are about being disgusted with yourself for being a fuckup, which is something I know a thing or two about. The only cure for self-hatred is to MOSH, and Death Threat definitely brings the mosh! The thing I like most about them, aside from awesomely retarded/true lyrics like “When you’ve got nothing you don’t give a fuck,” is that they have a lot of fast parts to temper the breakdowns so it feels super punk- basically if you were commissioned by the Library of Congress or something to document the blueprint for “real hardcore,” it would be Death Threat. It just doesn’t get any fucking harder than this record!

I love Death Threat so much I got a “Now Here Fast” tattoo (left); on the right is “Forever Blue” (from the Chris Isaak song). I’d like to think it’s the right combination of ignorance and emo pussy-ness

Icepick “Born To Crush You”

Although it kind of came and went without a lot of hype, the Icepick record stands as a classic, and I still jam it on the regular. With a lineup that includes Jamey Jasta, Frank 3 Gun, and Ezec, it’s pretty hard to go wrong- oh, and did I mention guest appearances by ICE MOTHERFUCKIN T?!?! If you don’t mosh around your room and break stuff when you listen to this song, you should probably suicide yourself immediately.

Cold As Life “Cold As Life”

Only a bleak, lifeless wasteland like Detroit could produce a band as hard as Cold As Life. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but there’s something about this band that’s just one notch darker, meaner, and more hopeless than anybody else from their generation except perhaps Darkside NYC. There’s nothing but misanthropy, anger and bitterness here, my friends. Saw them once with All Out War in Cleveland around 1998 or so at this weird place with a glass tile floor, and even though there weren’t many people at the show I was srsly afraid the floor might collapse.

Bulldoze “Beatdown”

You could make a pretty convincing case for Bulldoze being the inventors of beatdown hardcore. After all, they were a DMS band, their album was called “The Final Beatdown” and it had a song called “Beatdown,” and they will make you want to punch someone in the face. It’s not quite as polished as some of the other 90s bands, but it’s hard as fucking nails. Also check out singer Kevone’s later band Terrorzone (featuring one of my favorite lines ever about his stint in jail “I regret what I did, and I had to do a bid”) as well as the highly underrated Agents of Man CD featuring the bassist and drummer for Bulldoze (buy it here from Century Media for $3).

25 Ta Life “Loyal To Tha Grave”

It would be an understatement to say that it’s a stretch to call 25 Ta Life a great (or even good) band. I’m not hating, but let’s be real: 25 Ta Life has quality control practices that make a Chinese factory that produces cheap, poisonous bootleg pharmaceuticals look like they run a tight ship. That said, they have one record that is kind of awesome: the 10″ on Triple Crown. Rick must have convinced someone talented to be in his band for a minute, because this record pretty much sounds like Obituary- and with guest vocals from Ezec and Freddy Madball, how can you go wrong?!

Fury Of V “Do Or Die”

I could write a whole post about these Jersey Shore legends, but I will just say that this video is amazing in so many ways. Specifically, that it so perfectly captures the mid/late 90s: the dreads, the Nautica shirts, the puffy vests, the windmilling… the bottom line is FURY OF V = YOU’RE FUCKING MOSHING!

Merauder “Master Killer”

Last but DEFINITELY not least is maybe my favorite NYHC band of all time, MERAUDER! I have no idea “Master Killer” isn’t held up next to “Age Of Quarrel” and “Victim In Pain,” because it’s THAT fucking good. SOB had riffs for days, Jorge sounded like he would rather be killing someone, and for once the production was actually good. I don’t know that I would call Merauder unknown or obscure, but I definitely don’t think they got the credit they deserve for being one of the originators of metalcore and recording what is likely the hardest album in the history of New York hardcore. You can actually get all three of their records on a 2-CD set [via Century Media] so if you don’t already have it, BUY NOW OR POSE!

What did I miss? What current bands (like Lifeless) are doing this kind of shit?? Why isn’t Merauder everybody’s favorite NYHC band???

  • Aether Jake

    Why is their name “Merauder” and not “Marauder”?

    • Kuranes

      Maybe it’s like Dethklok and short for “Mermaid Marauder”.

    • Jewers

      Cause they’re hardcore.

    • Stu

      We didn’t have spell check back in the early 90s.

      • Dingas McCloud

        someone else probably already had the name.

  • Betelgeuse

    Hey, look everybody! Sergeant D shaves his chest (or is naturally hairless)?!?!? You ARE HARDCORE, twink! You’ll have to get WAY more than a Death Threat tatt to counter balance all those dicks you’ve sucked!

    Your Mom wanted me to tell you to have those moles checked out immediately. And she wants you to quit wasting your life.

    • http://satanicpowerpop.tumblr.com Isaac

      Unwarranted animosity much?

      • Betelgeuse

        Awwww…….are you mad that I’m more METAL than you, ASSWIPE?!?!?

        Anyone else notice his asymmetrical breasts?……….might want to have that checked out too………

        • Guhbah

          Probably Waking the Cadaver’s “vocalist.”

          • Betelgeuse

            Dude, it’s vo-KILL-ist. Duhr.

        • http://satanicpowerpop.tumblr.com Isaac

          …wut

          • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

            LOLd hard @ “asymmetrical breasts” (srs)

          • Betelgeuse

            I do have to admit your right tit looks kinda hot.

    • Alex_P

      Strong butthurt in this comment.

      Also, why does anyone care about moles that aren’t on the face?

      • Betelgeuse

        Because those gross moles on your Moms back make my woody droop.

      • Sergeant D

        Im naturally hairless!

    • Betelgeuse

      HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS

      • Alex_P

        Me too.

        • Sergeant D

          I know for a fact, I can NEVER swallow enough cum.

          • Isaac

            REALLY? I USUALLY FIND I’M FULL AFTER DRAINING THREE OR FOUR NUT SACKS.

          • http://satanicpowerpop.tumblr.com Isaac

            Oh, come on, you troll. I can EASILY take five or six.

          • Sergeant D

            that’s a fact.

        • http://satanicpowerpop.tumblr.com Isaac

          Doesn’t work without the image, bro.

          • Isaac

            OR FUCK, MAYBE IT DOES.

          • Sergeant D

            you can’t get it up without an image? you’re a true victim of the internet age.

          • Alex_P

            No, that would be the poor people who visit MetalSucks.

            ATTENTION: Anyone got a hard cock they want to shove in my ass? I usually don’t like to pay, but I’ll might be willing to make an exception………

          • Isaac

            I might like to make some extra cash……..

          • Sergeant D

            well, what the hell? betelgeuse already outed me as a twink. lets fuckin’ do this!

          • Alex_P

            I also like to get fisted while I eat cat shit out of a litter box. Any of you guys into that?

          • Betelgeuse

            YUM YUM GIMME SOME!!!!

          • Isaac

            SOUNDS. LIKE. A. FUCKING. PLAN.

          • Betelgeuse

            I’M A SLOBBERING SHAKING MESS JUST THINKING ABOUT IT!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHIT I CAN’T WAIT!!!!

          • Alex_P

            This exchange is fucking hilarious. Bravo to whoever is responsible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corey-Cobb/566162517 Corey Cobb

    25 Ta Life fucking blows and Rick is an enormous douchebag, but the rest of this list is alright, I guess.

  • http://satanicpowerpop.tumblr.com Isaac

    I always thought of the “U INSULTED ME SO IMMA PUNCH U” mentality as rather neanderthalic. Personally, I think that anybody who gives a shit if anybody insults them needs to work on their self-esteem a bit.
    Now, if they throw a punch, on the other hand…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corey-Cobb/566162517 Corey Cobb

      That’s because a lot of the dudes in these bands are, in fact, neanderthals.

      • MadetheSame

        haha, that fury of V lead singer may as well been in a ape costume.

    • jondabudz

      Agree 100%.

      • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

        ^ butthurt beta

  • Justin

    I listened to the Furious Styles demo endlessly, and then their full lengths weren’t too good.

  • Wowwee!!

    I like hardcore but what sucks about it is the people involved are mostly racist ignorant peckerwoods, am I wrong?

    • MadetheSame

      Meh. You wouldn’t think as the style seem to emulate a lot of Black / rap culture and dress.

    • Ursu’

      totaly wrong!

    • Purple Reign

      Yes, wrong.

  • MadetheSame

    I guess my old school hardcore/metal boy(z) may have been too metal for ya D.

    You needed to drop duh Hazard. D.F.L. “Cause if you ain’t fucking down?!?!?!? ____ ___!”

    Fill in the blanks

  • nonameisfinetoo

    Nice gyno, bro.

  • A2James

    Vietnom is still together, and will be re-releasing Death Is The Outcome and Thru My Eyes this year, as well as some new stuff. Thru My Eyes was some seriously killer NYHC. Props for including Cold As Life on this list too, R.I.P. Rawn

  • namelessness

    Irate = win.

  • A2James

    Want to read more about Rick Ta Life (25 Ta Life)? Check out Ricktalifeonablog at http://www.jspenceronline.wordpress.com

  • djabthrash

    +1 for Irate and MErauder !

    TPTD kinda sucks though.

  • yzermantiis

    Icepick is fucking hilarious………that song with Ice T is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard.

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      so fucking hard and lulzy!

  • Tom Cash

    i want icepick to put out another record. and whatever happened to http://www.ricktalifeonahorse.com? that was pretty much my favorite website ever.

  • dead end path

    ICEPICK is realer than real life.

  • lost goat

    its like thug rap for white people

    hawdcoah bores me

    mesh shorts belong on the basketball court

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      “mesh shorts belong on the basketball court”

      brah this is so wrong I don’t even know where to start

  • Hass Gottesdienst

    3rd-Wave Crossover Bullshit. Glorifying physical violence and street justice dealt out by a gang of thugs that do little to positively impact their fucked up communities. Perpetuating fear and intimidation is nothing to brag about. Lifting yourself out of a fucked up situation doesn’t require guns, your boys, or flexing for photos. Pick up a book and put down the brass knuckles.

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      LOL U MAD

    • BlowME

      Shut up pussy

      • BlowME

        AND FUGGIN’ KISS ME!!!

  • KHALLID MOHAMMAD

    DARKSIDE NYC – OPTIMISM IS SELF-DECEPTION: VOL. 1

    20 YEARS LATE, BUT YOU WON’T KNOW WHAT HIT YOU.

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      truth- incredibly underrated, pioneering band

  • Cpt. Howdy

    I think metal is more than just fantasy. Lyrics based in reality are bueno, but its the emotion that feeds both hardcore and metal that’s real. And its not as if all hardcore bands are 100 legit. 25 Ta Life’s Bullet for Every Enemy? There would be a lot less readers on this website if that wasn’t fantasy.

  • Josh

    Real Hardcore = beta

    swords, sorcery and wizard metal = alpha

    disagree, and u mad

    • Alex_P

      Strongly tempted to agree. Not sure hawdcoa is beta, but swords & sorcery metal is alpha as fuck. If you have a daughter, Mark Shelton has felt your daughter’s yearning.

    • Mongorian

      i give your trolling 4/10

      thats the best i can do, sorry :(

  • Adam

    what about all out war and sworn enemy, death before dishoner? Cold as Life kicks ass

  • lost goat

    L-O-T-S!!
    Life On The Streets!!
    L-O-T-S!!
    Life On The Streets!!

    I live on the streets day to day
    And night to night
    Life On The streets!!
    Gettin harder to do whats right
    Turn the corner Im in a fight!
    Life On The Streets!!

    Its goin down,another kid gettin jumped
    Its goin down,now dont be a chump!!

    L-O-T-S!!
    Life On The Streets!!
    L-O-T-S!!
    Life On The Streets!!

    Starin out the window
    And what I see aint nice
    Life On The Streets!!
    I thank God every night
    For these beans and rice
    Life On The Streets!!

    Its goin down,another kid gettin jumped
    Its goin down,now dont be a chump!!

    L-O-T-S!!
    Life On The Streets!!
    L-O-T-S!!
    Life On The Streets!!

    You wont ever know just whats its like,you wont ever know if you aint down for life…
    You wont know…You dont know….

    YOU DONT FUCKING KNOW!!!!!

    CUZ ITS-

    L-O-T-S!!
    Life On The Streets!!
    L-O-T-S!!
    Life On The Streets!!

    there,i wrote a hawdcoah song hahahaha

  • Cosk

    I guess I like shrill annoying artsy bands. … whatever

  • lost goat

    “Aether Jake says:
    Why is their name “Merauder” and not “Marauder”?”

    because it looks alot better with an E

    certain letters.like I and E and U and T look alot better to the eye than A and O

    influence is a visually better looking word than abracadabra for example

    • Aether Jake

      Idk bruh, they kinda look the same, to me.

  • alex

    Personally I much prefer the emo, political or artsy side of hardcore but thugcore is okay now then for a laugh and/or drunken mosh.

  • Ka

    Love the fury video. So retarded and so awesome at the same time

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      1

    • Betelgeuse

      Fuck yeah! I like the part where that guy opens the door of a SUV for him. Then the singer starts doing what I do when they get my order wrong at Taco Bell at 1:36 !?!?!? Fucking perfect!

  • lol@youguys

    SGT i love more than this site, and i fully read all of your articles while only scimming over the growingly lame other author’s opinions

  • ferris

    This is a pretty solid list, but I think you overlooked a little band called Green Day. 12 million or so copies of Dookie sold = true INNOVATORS of hardcore. They took it to a whole ‘nother place, dude!!!

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      Haha well I do remember when they were on Lookout and played legit punk/hardcore shows at Gilman back in the day. Say what you want but they were cool guys who were definitely part of the DIY scene back then.

      • ferris

        And what about [the] Offspring? Dex was rockin’ the dreads WAY before Skarhead! They SORTA dabbled in tough-guy hardcore, like in “Da Hui” — “You don’t f*k w/ Da Hui / Da Hui f*ks with YOU!”

  • Stevhan The Invincible

    Stevhan The Invincible says:
    May 3, 2011 at 8:45 am

    good write-up but so humourless for the sarge’s standards.

    that said here’s some bands that he forgot and I’ll state them just as dry

    Neglect
    Next Step Up
    One4One
    Integrity and Ringworm and In Cold Blood (I suspect the were rather left out than forgotten but why?)
    Blood For Blood (dude how could you forget…)
    Catharsis (I can see why they weren’t included but they were hard hitters musically speaking)

    Sinnce I am Euro-cunt here’s some local bands the sarge won’t probably even want to check out but some metalsuckers might.

    Congress
    Backfire
    Hard Resistance
    Crawlspace
    Length Of Time
    Angel Crew
    Kickback
    Deviate
    Out For Blood
    Bolt
    Third Man Down
    Ratfaced

    • djabthrash

      +

      Barcode
      Knuckledust
      Teamkiller
      6. Ft. ditch
      Out For The Count
      Purgatory
      St. hood
      Arkangel

      • Stevhan The Invincible

        How could I forget Arkangel.

    • Stu

      Next Step Up were terrible.

      • BlowME

        St. Hood is fucking amazing. Get some Crackdown in there as well.

  • Adolf Batman

    That list was so fuckin hxc!

    but this list is better, hit me up on it bros.

    http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=149&title=10_heavy_new_bands_to_see_this_summer&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

  • anevilfrog

    I don’t see how you can put Fury of V on this list and not include their Jersey cohorts E-Town Concrete.

    I mean, do you want us to fucking mosh or not?

    • djabthrash

      héhé

      ETC is the shit !!!

  • Nick

    I used to go to all kinds of hardcore shows in the mid 90s, I liked the music but the fans in general were pathetic losers.

  • BlowME

    Well doe on the list, amazing line up of bands and I was blown away to see OLC, Cold As Life, Vietnom and Icepick in there. You clearly are a real hardcore fan and its nice to see that because most metal sites are totally out to lunch when it comes to what hardcore is all about. Only band you forgot was 100 Demons, their album “In The Eyes Of The Lord” was one of the most brutal, violent and negative hardcore albums ever released. Up there with Cold As Life.

    You might ad Blood For Blood as well. Spit My Last Breath was relentless.

    • Sergeant D

      Thanks dude! Good call on 100 Demons, they were sick

  • bobby hayes

    not a fan of wigger metal

  • kmfcm

    OK

    You know I must ask you what you thought of Pitboss 2000

    • BlowME

      Classic band from a comedy point on view of course.

  • ray

    Love me some death threat!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-David-Maniscalco/812510281 Joseph David Maniscalco

    You know besides a lot of the hate which is expected on a metal news site, I really liked your list. Me and a lot of my friends listened to a good majority of this stuff, i was even a pretty big fan of too pure to die before they put out a full length that i THINK was produced by jamey jasta and it sounded really nu metal. Good list dude! I would add maybe Integrity since you did have some crossover stuff in there, maybe santa sangre, or colin of arabia, donnybrook. I know some of those bands I mentioned were newer than your list but it takes me back a little bit. That music was good times for a lot of us. Thanks for the flashback!

  • Kenneth Rader

    I grew up in/around the early/mid 90′s hardcore scene and to be honest none of these bands do much for me besides OLC.

    I’ll stick with my “pussy” hardcore like Redemption 87, Kid Dynamite, Kill Your Idols, etc.

    This tough guy shit is usually a snoozefest.

  • Gray

    Predating all on this list by one generation of hardcore but worth mentioning as their lyrics and musical vision were easily as myopic, Chorus Of Disapproval should get a special mention. I mean, where do you think Earth Crisis got their steez? Chorus.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Carlson/1149750529 Alex Carlson

    I think we should be clear that there is a difference between hardcore and brocore. what we have here is a fine brocore list.

  • Jakob

    Why would you call a tanning salon? Why would you have people working at one in the first place?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Mckeon/528911995 Nick Mckeon

    Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

  • Purgz

    Check out Brutality will prevail, Last Witness and Dirty Money (RIP)
    Ignorant UK hardcore at it’s best. Check it

  • http://www.myspace.com/ruckushc txy

    If this is your shit, you’ll like my band.
    http://www.stereokiller.com/ruckushc

    Plus my LOA style “emo” band
    http://www.stereokiller.com/twitchingtongues

    Listen to: Kickback, Xibalba, Stigmata, Dying Breed, All Out War

  • Jurgen

    “THIS IS *REAL* HARDCORE, FRUITS”….

    REAL HC?

    I dont give a shit if u didnt approve my comment or delete it or anything, but, WHERE DA FUCK IS: WARZONE? CAUSE FOR ALARM? MADBALL? SLAPSHOT? MURPHY’S LAW? SICK OF IT ALL? MOSES? HEART ATTACK? CRO-MAGS? REAGAN YOUTH? KRAUT? SHEER TERROR? etc etc etc etc… For fckin fuck sake,here on that post its a bunch of METALCORE kiddos only..Do NOT compare them to OLD SKOOL HC / N.Y.H.C..

    = HARCORE STILL LIVES / LOWER EAST SIDE CREW =

  • Edward Goodlife

    Nice Post. For those interested, we still have ALL of these band’s albums and some Merch up for sale here : http://www.hardcore.GL

    take care.