DEFENDING DANZIG, DAY ONE OF FOUR: MISFORTUNE

Wednesday, October 26th, 2011 at 2:00pm by

Glenn Danzig gets a lot of shit.

The singer-songwriter is probably the most diverse talent to emerge from the old-school hardcore scene. He wrote the lyrics and music to practically all the awesome songs from the Misfits, Samhain and Danzig. And when his backing bands weren’t executing his vision in the studio, Danzig would step in and perform plenty of the tracks.

Think about that: Could Greg Ginn have put together an entire Black Flag album himself? Could guitar prodigy Brian Baker have recorded an entire Minor Threat record? Ian MacKaye and Roger Miret are legendary frontmen, but just listen to Misfits songs like “Vampira” and “Death Comes Ripping” — as a hardcore singer, Danzig was without peer. And look what he did after his salad days.

Both of Danzig’s Black Aria albums crashed the Billboard Classical Music top ten (the first took the No. 1 spot). He wrote tunes for Johnny Cash and Roy Orbison. He penned two of the last four truly mandatory Metallica songs. Guns N’ Roses covered one of his many classics.

And what does that get him? A lifetime’s deluge of haterade.

Danzig is an icon to some. But over the last decade, he’s become a punchline for former fans and keyboard warriors with no life experience, who  have never accomplished anything. And the h8rz are wrong. Usually.

Anybody who’s actually done something in this life has made some questionable judgment calls. Nobody bats .1000. And nobody’s always wrong. So now, 35 years into an unparalleled career, should Danzig be the object of ridicule, scorn, or awe? Let’s settle it once and for all.

In honor of the Samhain season, MetalSucks is taking a fresh look at Danzig’s eleven most dubious distinctions. And we’re rendering judgment. Over the course of four days, we’ll look at the biggest bumps in Danzig’s long, dark road. Let’s start with a look at some misfortunes from the last decade. Danzig has suffered his share.

 

Incident #1: Danzig Gets Knocked the F*ck Out

Charge: Danzig, a Reported Tough Guy, Cannot Fight.

The Case: In July 2002, Danzig made a prophetic statement to Metal Hammer: “I don’t really get in many fights. And when I do, they don’t last long.”

To wit, Danzig went viral in 2004. A perfectly framed video surfaced, in which a backstage confrontation between Danzig and North Side Kings bandleader Danny Marianinho rapidly escalated into a shoving match. Marianinho hit Danzig with a giant haymaker and dropped the singer, who has a background in martial arts and amateur (read: real) wrestling.

This is the moment when Danzig bashing became a major indoor sport.  When the video broke, Cleveland radio programme The Metal Show posted the clip and reported a server-crashing 112,000 downloads in seven hours — a number, at the time, nearly three times greater than the sales of Danzig’s previous album, 2002’s Danzig 777 I Luciferi.

Internet commenters still get a kick out of the incident, and they can’t help but mention it whenever Danzig’s name comes up.

But anybody who’s been in an actual fight or two — as opposed to talking shit from the safety of your computer — knows it’s easy to get your ass handed to you in a real brawl with a bigger dude. Anybody who never lost a fight hasn’t been in many. Laughing at someone losing a fight is like saying an outfielder who strikes out seven times out of ten is a shitty ball player.

Danzig has repeatedly claimed the entire incident was a setup, and that sounds right. If my behind-the-scenes knowledge of America’s Funniest Home Videos has taught me anything, it’s this: When the camera perfectly captures the shot, it’s probably staged.

Verdict: You Don’t Know What You’re Talking About.

Incident #2: Danzig Gets Older

80s DANZIG:

90s DANZIG:

Charge: Danzig Is Fat.

The Case: Over the ‘90s, Danzig became well-known as a fiend… for fitness! But since the mid ‘90s, detractors claim the Jersey icon has looked like a tubby John Travolta. But try to name one skinny dude with a voice that big. In fact, when he was still ripped, he delivered a tune truly worth of Fat Elvis, the oldies-style ballad “Blood and Tears.”

Verdict: Let’s See How You Look When You’re 56.

Incident #3: Danzig Falls Off Stage

 Charge: Haw-ha!

The Case: In 2007, footage surfaced of Danzig allegedly falling off stage in Baltimore. After performing a show in a shoulder sling — you try it, badass — he wound up canceling a concert due to a injury sustained in the tumble. And internet nerds snickered about it for weeks.

But nobody considered another distinct possibility: Maybe he didn’t fall. Maybe the sinister power of “How the Gods Kill” created a vortex that suddenly SUCKED DANZIG DOWN INTO HELL.

Verdict: It Only Looks Funny.

(OK, the shout and sudden disappearance sound funny, too.) [This is funny because physical slapstick is funny, not because it’s happening to Danzig.]

Should Danzig have been more careful when he fell off the stage? Would you have ducked that punch and totally laid out the guy from North Side Kings? Let us know in the comment section!

-Ferris

D.X. Ferris is the author of 33 1/3: Reign in Blood, the first English-language book about Slayer, which is available cheap in hard copies and for the Kindle machines. (He’s been know to send bonus swag in exchange for a proof of purchase.) You can friend it on the Facebook, or follow his bullshit daily on the Tweeters: @dxferris and @SlayerBook.

 

  • waffle balls

    people can talk shit all they want. id say danzig is one of the most influential artists of heavy music, in the last 20 years.

  • Elohdaeh78

    batting .1000?  Did you mean 1.000?  Been a Danzig fan since the early 90s, takes a lot of flac but his catalog of music is more impressive than most.

  • Justin Foley

    You’re wrong about Ian MacKaye, dude.

    Danzig get shit because he’s an artistic one trick pony.  

    MacKaye was a frontman, then went on to be singer/songwriter for the best and most influential underground band of the 1990s.  Add to this that he did so by creating a political personality that was thoughtful and batted 1.000 closer than anyone has since the Sermon on the Mount.

    Fugazi expanded their musical voice over the course of their career and MacKaye’s been in other bands, from the Industrial Pailhead (which some people like, but I don’t) up to the quieter and more insistent Evens.  

    Dude is still relevant and he’s a fine reason why one old, revered hardcore dude is a joke and the other one is pretty much deified by people like … well, like me I guess.

    Also, MacKaye would probably have just floated above the stage (because he walks on water and doesn’t give a fuck about gravity) and he would have out-thunk the haymaker (actually, he’s smart enough not to hang out with anyone from the Northside Kings).  Or something.  

    But still.  Ian MacKaye is awesome.  

    = Justin

  • butt

    the fight was a set up?  looked to me like danzig pushed him out of nowhere

    • Stu1

      Trolling? Sarcasm?

    • TheHateMachine

      It was not set up. I have known Danny for decades and he is a super cool person. Usually not prone to violence either. He was sticking up for the bands that got fucked on that gig. They were in tuba city AZ . way the fuck out on the rez.was a several hour drive for all the bands to drive and not get to play. He called danzig on it and then shit blew up. FACT.

      • Stu1

        Then why did he have a camera rolling? 

        • TheHateMachine

          You must not have ever been in a band? I film everything for every show I play. including backstage. Especially if Im hanging with other touring bands. PLus how did he have the camera rolling and punch Danzig at the same time?

  • McThulhu

    this will be an awesome set of posts, Danzig does get too much shit. I think its because it is so easy to make fun of the misfits that people get carried away.

  • Elohdaeh78

    Ian Mackaye was an annoying douchebag.  Sure Minor Threat and Fugazi did some cool things in their day, but he was an over politically jerkoff and he has not been relevant for a long long time.  Nobody gives a shit about him anymore.  Danzig was and still is more relevant than some over opinionated dork.

    • Anonymous

      lolololololololololologasm

    • Stu1

      I’m not comparing the 2, but, you are very very very wrong on him not being relevant and no one giving a shit about him. Very wrong. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=520503461 Josh Kruk

    This is the longest article on Danzig anyone has ever written. Kudos 

  • http://twitter.com/non_sensei M. R. P.

    I think when people are unnecessarily cruel to Glenn Danzig, it’s because they are confusing him with Jerry Only for some strange reason.

  • raiseyerfists

    I put him in the same league as Dave Mustaine. Talented genre pioneers that made awesome music and take themselves way too seriously, so it’s funny to give them tons of shit.

  • http://www.thrashhits.com/ Hugh

    I love Danzig, but I love laughing at him even more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corey-Mitchell/660352330 Corey Mitchell

    But try to name one skinny dude with a voice that big.

    P.J. Harvey.

    Should we expect a book on Mr. Danzig, D.X.? if so, when? And congrats…

    • The Uncool Guy Down the Hall

      Rick Astley.

    • Murdercorpsethrash

      PJ HARVERY IS A GIRLLL!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corey-Mitchell/660352330 Corey Mitchell

        Wow, really?!?!

        • Prettyinblack

          PJ stands for Polly Jean, so yes, PJ Harvey is a chick. 

    • cougar party

      Dio.

      RIP

      • http://www.facebook.com/ken.wilhelm Ken Wilhelm

        The ultimate tiny dude singer.

  • pringlebells

    Kinda glad someone stepped up to bat for the guy. Also weird that metalsucks did something nice for such an easy target. Approve.

    • The_I

      Yeah, definitely. Danzig’s one of the most talented guys in metal, so it’s pretty annoying to see his name turned into a joke so often.

  • Anonymous

    That header photo made me rofl. I don’t know what it is, but Danzig carrying groceries and cat litter cracks me right up…..I srsly don’t know why!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1315346890 Phil Freeman

    If anything, Glenn Danzig isn’t influential ENOUGH. He’s got more stage presence even now than 99 percent of bands – especially the kind of “stroke your goatee as you calculate this riff” bands worshipped on this site day in and day out. I don’t love everything he’s ever done, but the keepers from his catalog – the Misfits’ “Walk Among Us,” the first five Danzig releases (everything from the debut through “Thrall/Demonsweatlive”), Samhain’s “November-Coming-Fire” and the song he did for the “Less Than Zero” soundtrack – are fucking untouchable.

  • cougar party

    I think people make fun of Danzig because he’s been singing like Elvis for his entire career.

  • Canea

    Danzig kind of sounds like a wiener when he says, “Fuck you, motherfucker.”  Like he didn’t put his full manliness into the insult.

    Other than that, the fight video never looked very staged to me.

    • Stu1

      Of course it was. Dude confronted Danzig with his friend holding a camera. He intended to hit him.

      • Slurpeepee

        Being staged implies both parties were in on it. That fight was definitely not staged.

        • Stu1

          Fine, then it was a set up, if the term “staged” isn’t correct.

          • Slurpeepee

            It wasn’t a “set up” either. Danzig pushed. Danzig got hit. Danzig got knocked down. End of story.

  • El Pathos

    If by peerless you mean no other punk (hardcore? please.) sang louder in the wrong key than Glenn, you’d be right.

  • Anonymous

    Danzig’s a pop songwriter without peer and also bit of a tool who through his own self-importance finds himself the butt of the occasional joke. Both things can simultaneously be true.

  • Wha?

    Two things about Danzig:  (1) I met him at the San Diego Comic-Con in 2009 (he was manning a booth for his comic book company). He was polite, accommodating and geniunely a nice guy; (2) I once met Melissa Auf der Maur and asked her about her collaboration with Danzig… among the stories she related was one that Danzig owns a few cats and at the time, was rehabilitating an injured cat from a shelter.  Anyone who takes the time to be nice to a dorky fanboy like myself and does that is alright in my book.
    Besides, he was responsible for the Misfits, Samhain & Danzig, for Chrissakes….

  • MT-400

    Re: Falling off the stage

    There’s a youtube clip out there where he’s playing a show the next night in a sling and tells the audience, “Now I get to park in the handicap spot, hahaaaaa”. 

    I love that little dude.

  • http://twitter.com/DerelictAdvent Christian Lemus

    Danzig rocks! I couldn’t care less if the guy is bat-shit crazy or getting his ass kicked… He’s still laying some pretty awesome tunes and plus the first 3 Danzig albums are some of my all time favorite albums to Jam to. 

    I laughed so hard when he fell. But I was singing along until it happened. If that happened to my mom I would probably still laugh, so who cares…

  • ColinJ

    Everything Danzig has done since ‘Danzig 4′ has been flaming whale shit.

    I mock him because of that.

  • Bloodbird26

    This is seriously the best post I have ever read on Metalsucks. Danzig deserves so much more respect as an artist and pioneer in punk and metal scene than he gets. It is so lame reading the same dumbass insults lobbed his way everytime there is an article about him on any metal site. I formerly would attempt to defend but I may just link this article in the future. I was just able to check out the Danzig Legacy show (classic Danzig set, Samhain set, and Misfits set) in Chicago and it was seriously the best show I have ever seen live. Looking forward to the other three posts.

    • Gagged

      Haven’t seen many shows, huh?

      • Bloodbird26

        Seen hundreds of shows, thanks though.

        • Gagged

          Touring with Justin Bieber Deadhead-style does not count.

          • Bloodbird26

            Dude you are so funny, like seriously lol level funny. Justin Bieber, wow, I wonder why no one else has ever thought to insult someone else’s musical taste by referencing Justin Bieber. What a doozy of a comment. Post of the millenium perhaps. You sir are offically my comedy idol. Like a resurrected George Carlin

          • Gagged

            Tissue?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002189573344 Jim Slim
  • Rmwolfe79

    It all started with the blackacidevil cd and a new danzig line up. As far as danzig getting knocked out, that could happen to anyone.

  • David

    Ah Danzig, always so hostile towards the Bay Area.  Saw him in the 90s with my friend Travis.  Travis jumps up on stage, ready to stage dive.  Danzig cold-cocks him, no warning.  Dude falls into the arms of security who kick him out.

    Danzig earned that haymaker, at least as far as I’m concerned.

    Secondly, old people should not bulk up.  That’s a young man’s sport.  Old people need to exercise, stay fit, and maintain an optimum BMI.  Skinny/trim is the way.  When your old, all that muscle mass turns into flab, and then your skin hangs on you like a bad pair of pants, and you look….old.

    Sorry Danzig, but you’re not much of a singer anymore either, and your lyrics suck.

  • Phil Anshlomo

    You can’t deny the man’s contribution to metal, nay, music in general.

    • Sumerian Nuts

      True, but we can easily deny his relevancy.

  • http://twitter.com/CoryJWKamermans Cory Kamermans

    Danzig has been around for 35 years and made alot of great albums and yes even past Danzig 4. Think i’m wrong? listen to Deth Red Saboath which was an awesome album where are the northside kings these days hmmmm? i’ve never heard their music and they look like a body count cover band. 

  • Mrbooze

    SNOORE!  I wrote almost this exact thing almost a year ago: 

    http://misterbooze.blogspot.com/2011/02/glenn-danzig-in-retrospect.html

    You goddamn hipsters have to recycle everything.

  • Reddragonnz99

    Punch looked like it missed, most rock stars get fat, everyone has fallen off or slipped at least once

  • http://inkpervs.hyperboards.com/ cKHAVIKk

     Truth be told, I’d REALLY rather see Jerry Only get knocked the fuck out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/akshay.gollapalli Akshay Gollapalli

    eh most internet nerds can’t fight either so it doesn’t make sense, and there’s nothing wrong with being fat so long as it doesn’t get in the way of making music, but falling off stage….actually not all that hard for an intense guy like danzig

  • http://twitter.com/Cronos_262 Desdinova Imaginos

    This article is serious business! How could we (D4 h4t3rz), not have seen that the fight was all WWE? That’s obviously the bottom line cuz Danzig said so and of course it was staged because someone was there with a camera phone! Wut sound logic that is! This just proves to me that everything ever captured on a cell-phone is obvious staged. I has been so naive! It is true what you write oh wise D.X., we has no real life skillz. I now repent my sins through this art which I believe coveys the meaning behind this article…. this is how we all should remember the things that Glenn has given us all! I now feel as though I finally has real life experience. 

  • Satan

    Danzig is one of the greatest artist i’ve seen in my life. Ignore those shitty haters…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A4BCAZIAXOEOJS2LJ46IQYJNGM Noah

    Fair enough article. Addressing “Danzig is Fat”: Danzig is not necessarily fat. What he is, is old. And Hell, we are all heading that way. The problem here is not that he is old or fat, rather it is that he is still trying to pull off the young and fit unsuccessfully. Now, let me say that the entertainment business has got to be a difficult one to navigate as well as Mr Danzig has done and that I am not saying I could do it better, not at all. BUT, he is the one going out on stage dressed in a skin tight mesh shirt every night and still trying to pull off the long hair look of his 30′s in his 50′s. It just doesn’t look great. Sorry. He needs to adapt to his age and go with it, rather than hanging on to that old look, which he can no longer do. My suggestion, shave your head and wear a floor length leather jacket Al La Rob Halford. There we are. Problem solved. 

    • Founding66

      Glenn Danzig doesn’t have to change his “look” for you- it isn’t a look, its real. And human bodies change with age- as appalling to you normal people as that seems. It’s tough for keyboard critics to fit authentic artists into little packages and accept the reality of someone’s awesomeness. You owe a huge debt of gratitude to Glenn even if you don’t agree with his vision.

  • Sachadunable

    What metallica songs did he write? or are we talking about the covers?

    Ps- danzig rules.

  • Beer

    Danzig is the man. 

  • http://www.londonprintco.com Jordandarbishire

    This rules, fuck the haters, Danzig for life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/George-Speth/100001873347842 George Speth

    These are all incidents that can happen too anyone. He is a human and because he got punched out or fell off the stage it is stupid too label him aloser over some stupid superficial shit like this. Danzig is in a league of his own and no one can touch his music. He does not give a damn about trends and doing what is “popular” at the time. Do u think that Blink 182 will b here in 30 years like King Glenn is? He wrote a great symphony with Black Aria. He is a very intelligent educated man who does not frolic in the superficial realm like most people. Hail KING GLENN!!!!!!!

  • Sonofsithis

    well he didn’t skip a beat after getting back on stage, and yeah the punch seemed like a set up to me too. we have all lost fights at some point and we have all been sucker punched. all in all he is still hard core and has done a hell of a job with his art. to this day Black Aria is one of my all time favorite albums.