It’s only 7 seconds long

Try clicking on the Source Link, you lazy douchbags.

First of all, this band is, and has always been, completely fucking awesome. Second, vmanv, just because they may have a lot of money, does not mean shit. I’m willing to bet that if you’re even old enough to vote, and choose to, that it will be cast for Obama (better be), who himself is pretty darn wealthy. Third, Rage isn’t doing it for the money. It’s gotta be nice to have though, and I’m sure if you were in their position, you would take the offer as well. Their style and sound has not changed for cash, they don’t flaunt their success, they were never on ‘Cribs’, and I’m sure they use a lot of that to help out their causes. So fuck off, all you Rage haters, they’re just doing what they believe in.

7 seconds is 4 minutes in dog years.

THATS RACIST!!!!!!!!!!

IM TELLING OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

vmanv, bands do not always sign to majors to make money. It’s very possible (and probable) that Rage wanted as big an audience as they could have. Which makes sense, considering their intent. As far as DIY bands, I respect them very much as well, but that doesn’t mean that the money wasn’t just a bonus for Rage. Anyone in their position would see it that way. And as for Audioslave, it’s also very possible that maybe – just maaaybe – the remaining members of Rage were excited to make music with Chris Cornell, the singer for fucking SOUNDGARDEN. Who wouldn’t want to make music with him, despite how Audioslave turned out? They were going for a different sound. Whether it’s good or not is a matter of opinion, maybe the band members themselves loved it. And I’m glad you voted for Kerry, but when it comes to Obama/McCain, I would think that less military experience would make a better president than more… I would never, ever join the military, and I’m glad Obama didn’t either. How you could choose McCain over Obama astounds me. Maybe that’s why you’re so pissed off at Rage… Either way, I’m glad we can debate this in a somewhat civilized manner…

I have no problem with bands rallying against war, as is being done in this video. I do, however, part company very quickly with people who rail against a capitalist society, especially a relatively free one, that has allowed them to earn a living and given them the freedom to stage such rallies.

And before you start to type your “capitalist pig” reference, look at your computer monitor and keyboard and internet connection and tell me if you’d have any of them without some form of capitalism.

Hey Zach, why don’t you go live in Pyongyang and seeing how things are so peachy over there?
Faggot.

Anthony is right. Metalsucks faux pas. I love when you guys are wrong.

Sammy hit the nail on the head. This conversation is basically a repeat of the one in the other RATM story. They’re socialists pushing their beliefs while benefiting from capitalism. It’s asinine. Socialism and communism do not work in the real world. And that’s exactly why I’m going to vote for McCain of Obama and that’s exactly why I can enjoy Rage’s music but find their political rants utterly laughable.

So you shouldn’t voice an opinion or rally in America because you have the freedom to?
Are you supposed to just accept anything that you don’t agree with or see dangerous flaws in just because we have more freedom than in other parts of the world?

We don’t live in such a place where we are killed or oppressed for not falling in line, it’s not relevant to us.

So whats wrong with an anti-war protest at John McCain’s big party?

BladeL needs to learn to *comprehend* while reading. I think everyone here believes Zack – and everyone – has the right to protest and is encouraged to do so. That’s what freedom of speech is all about. What people here are saying is that to protest against American capitalism (we’re not talking about war or bad policy here) while profiting from the same is hypocritical.

In this particular video, it appears RATM and the protestors are protesting the war and certain Republican policies. I see no problem with that. However, I’d venture to say that if you polled the crowd in the video, 8 out of 10 couldn’t tell you who the Secretary of State is. And I’d lay 8 to 5 that 7 out of 10 couldn’t tell you the branches of gov’t and their respective responsibilities. The problem with jobless, hipster protestors is that it’s about the PROTEST for them, not the SUBSTANCE of the protest.

It’s called generalization and speculation. If someone could disprove my supposition, I’d take it all back.

And I’d go protest something, but I have this job to go to and mortgage to pay for.

Oh, and in my many years of knowing many and being a metalhead, but not being a redneck, I’d still say, anecdotally (need a definition?), most metalheads I’ve run into are either rednecks or meatheads. Not all, however. Just most. I’ve known quite a few extremely thoughtful, intelligent metal heads, and have noticed quite a few gracing these pages, but they’re not the majority – in my experience. See what I did? Qualified my statements.

That leads me to my real problem with RATM. They aren’t leading people to figure things out for themselves. I’d also wager that the majority of their fans just follow what they say because it’s the “cool” thing. It’s just like MTV pushing their politics. They aren’t helping people figure shit out. They’re just spewing and selling propaganda. Buy the pepsi revolution everyone.

Gabexmosh – no, we can’t 100% assume we know what he’d do, but based on what he did in life, and what most totalitarian dictators do, it’s not really all that unlikely. The whole fact of the matter is, RATM talks shit about a society they ALLOWS them to do it without any repercussions from the government. Try that in a totalitarian country and see what happens. I understand that they have beliefs and ideas that they hold very strongly, but a little common sense – and reality – injected into those ideas and beliefs would make them a hell of a lot better.

The sad fact about politics these days is hardly anyone knows anything – or cares enough to learn – about the people and policies they go out and either scream at to protect, or scream with to promote. As said above, most of it is simply the fact that they enjoy screaming about something – content is irrelevant as long as they can yell.

Like I said before though, I can’t wait until the election is done, hopefully with McCain and Palin in office, but either way, at least I won’t have to log onto metal music blog sites and get yet another dose of election-year bullshit.

I do have to say, though – and no offense to the poster, just a difference of opinion here – that believing military experience would make a worse president is one of the singularly most inane things I’ve seen said in this election year session. I’d much rather have a president who knows about – and thus respects – the power of the American military, rather than one who can’t even tell the difference in an Apache and an Abrams. Just because someone has military experience doesn’t mean they’re a gung-ho brainless Rambo grunt – and when you look at McCain’s experience, well, I don’t like him that much politically but you cannot deny the guy has honor and balls.

DemonicLemming: Actually, Che, when he held positions of power on Cuba, did a lot of things in ways that Fidel Castro didn’t agree with, amongst others trying to cut reliance on Soviet manufacturing industry. I’m not saying he definitely would’ve turned Cuba into a socialist democratic wonderland, because that’s purely speculation, and pointless.

Besides, state-based society is by its very nature coercive. When you’re born in a country, whether socialist or capitalist, you’re not actually given an option to opt out. Rather, you’re expected – practically required – to take part, with your survival possibilities practically held hostage. There’s nothing hypocritical about making a survivable amount of money in a capitalist system even when you’re against capitalism, because at the end of the day, you’ve still got to eat and pay your rent. And I highly doubt that Rage Against the Machine are living in mansions in Beverly Hills. Zack himself has been known to spend time in the Mexican state of Chiapas among the Zapatistas. I don’t want to speculate, but it’d be interesting to see if he invests any money in their communities.

To give another example: rapper Immortal Technique is probably more radical than RATM in his opinions, and he admits that he makes good money. You know where that money goes? So far, he’s helped build an orphanage in Afghanistan and he owns a farm in his home country of Peru where he can make a difference.

There’s nothing hypocritical in buying the noose from a capitalist.

Revrant, do you know McCain’s stance on foreign policy and his stance on the use of military? Or did you just jump on the bandwagon that chose to totally misconstrue the “100 year” quote? Did you watch his acceptance speech at the RNC? McCain is nowhere near a hawk. How could someone who spent 5 years in a pow camp possibly like war? He, in fact, has a very tempered view to when military power should be used. He is neither a hawk or a dove. He is a realist. Unlike certain presidential candidates this year who would rather we bury our heads in the sand and hope with all our might that no one blows us up, he realizes that military action is sometimes needed. But he, by no means, endorses it as a cure-all. Now, I am by no means, saying that I agree that military service is always a positive for a president. But it’s definitely not a negative either.

Also, if you believe that the administration has anything significant to do with the current economy, I’d have to wholeheartedly disagree. Clinton had a great economy because the economy was on an upswing, not because he did anything great. And if you buy the dems’ line about being for the working people, I don’t even know what to say to you. The only thing the dems give a shit about when it comes to the working class is whether or not they can trick them into punching that hole for their party.

Sheesh, would RATM be relevant anymore if they didn’t pull this political shit all the time?

The misconstruing of the republican’s view of war all the time is really starting to piss me off. Republicans do not like war. They know it is a necessary evil. They live in the real world where there are bad people, leaders, countries, and that means there will always be reasons to defend our country OR ANOTHER COUNTRY, our allies.

I am so glad you people weren’t around when we were fighting for our independence. God would this country be different. We’d all be walking around wearing the white wigs.

Best quote I’ve ever seen (and I have no idea where I’ve seen it and this in no way the exact words, just the jist of it.) Democrats live in a world where this is no war and no matter what bad you’ve done, rehabilitation will always work. Republicans live in the real world.

So, when/if the Obamassiah gets in, we’ll live in peace for the next 4/8 years by appeasing every damn person/country we can. And then a republican will get in and have to clean up the shit the previous administration created by thinking they were living in peace for 4/8 years, only it was allowing our enemies to become stronger.

@rob, I’m glad you were able to participate.

You celebrated “activism, non-partisanship, sustainability and awareness”. I have a few questions, and they’re honest questions, not sarcastic.

~I’m not sure how one celebrates “activism”. What does that mean?
~I believe in non-partisanship. I’m libertarian. However, I don’t imagine RATM would demonstrate against the other political party.
~Sustainability – is this in reference to the environment? You didn’t specify.
~Awareness – of what? Again, you’re painting in very opaque colors. Specifics, please.
~You want to march until “it” is won. What is “it”?

Were you marching for a specific cause or set of causes? Or just in general “awareness”?

You’re right. DNC. Shame on me. Still haven’t answered my other questions.

Ethics and Aesthetics do not belong in the same sphere’s of thought. Life and morality destroy art. The number 1 concern of art should be to provide pleasure, whether it be intellectual, sensory or another kind of pleasure. When an artwork’s priority leans towards something other then providing pleasure then it ceases to become pure art and it becomes something else. Rage Against The Machine have provided some great art over their careers however their music should be appreciated in the realms of aesthetics rather then as a political manifesto (which is what their music is designed to be). I’ll listen to anything that Rage Against the Machine puts out however I will not indulge in their political viewpoints and discourage others who pick up a socialist political perspective purely because RATM holds those views. All great art is quite useless and hopefully this will continue as art produced for the art’s own sake will always provide the purest forms of pleasure.

@Revrant

Not sure I should respond to a person that cites Wikipedia to prove a point, but here we go…

Let’s start with the retard remark. I’m not sure if you’re a liberal, but that would be their typical response. Instead of just throwing facts, just call the guy/gal a retard, or talk about their hair makeup. You seem to have done both.

You can not compare the democrats of the last 2-3 decades to democrats like John F. Kennedy and Harry S. Truman. I would not trust present-day democrats to take us to war. If Obama does win the election, I hope he does the right thing with Iraq and pulls out, but not without making sure we stabilized that country as much as possible. I hope there’s peace for the next administration. But I want to also make sure that the next president can handle things if they go south, much like 9/11. You can’t tell me there aren’t still cells in america trying to start shit. I hope the next president doesn’t have to find out.

God, looking back over your post, I could go on forever.

Raised our taxes, who? In Bush’s first 2 years in office I’ve not only been making more money, but getting more of my income tax back than I ever was with Clinton.

Great economy after Clinton? You’re joking right? Clinton taxed the shit out of you and me. Thanks to a republican-led congress, they gave us some release half-way through his term, which he fought tooth and nail. That’s what gave us the strong economy at the end of his term.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm

Pass down morals to us without our consent. huh? I tell you, I have never met the man, so I can’t say how he would “push” these morals on me first-hand. But over the 8 years I certainly haven’t been pushed to any kind of standard from a podium he would talk behind. Does he seem like a moral man, seems to be. Does Obama seem like he has much the same morals? Certainly seems so. Obama is a christian and seems to be a moral person. He believes in God and attends church regularly. Should I be afraid of him also?

Sorry, can’t stoop to the retard remark, Bush has pushed too many of his morals on me. ;)

@Revrant, You’ll have to excuse this part of the response…

Great economy after Clinton? You’re joking right? Clinton taxed the shit out of you and me. Thanks to a republican-led congress, they gave us some release half-way through his term, which he fought tooth and nail. That’s what gave us the strong economy at the end of his term.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm

I misunderstood your post and responded badly. After reading over it, this has nothing to do with your response. :(

Well, as far as my extreme political bias noted due to the way I refer to the parties. If you notice, I refer to conservative and liberal(within the same sentence). I refer to dems and as far as I see no reference to “republicans”. It’s just the way I refer to them dem and rep for the party, conservative and liberal for the stance. So, either you can’t read or choose to see what you want. For the record, if you want to go back a couple weeks to Dallas’s political blog you can read about me referencing conservatives as “neo-cons” so to be blunt you’re way off fucking base on that one.

As far as my political leanings, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again here, I consider myself a libertarian, I’m undecided on my registration, and I’ve voted on both sides of the party lines in the past. I don’t vote third party because I feel it’s wasted. At this point, however, I’m tired of the way that the DEMOCRATS’ answer to domestic issues seems to be socialize everything and throw a bunch of cash that we’ve taxed from the middle and upper class at a bunch of people who don’t deserve it so that those people will vote for us and their answer to foreign policy seems to be to let everyone do whatever the fuck they want no matter the consequences because, well, we want to be liked. I haven’t felt any negative effects on my rights from the patriot act despite what LIBERALS state(not that I don’t agree that the possible dangers are there). I have however felt negative effects from all the bullshit PC crap that they push.

Now, to my feelings on Iraq. My biggest fault was that the bullshit reasoning of wmd’s was shoved down everyone’s throats. In my opinion, it should have been stated that, “He may have wmds he may not. But fact of the matter is that Saddam is not complying with sanctions set out by the UN to show that he doesn’t. Since the UN is to impotent to act at this point in time if falls upon us to punish Saddam for his lack of compliance.” Would it have flown? No. Would it have been PC? No. Would it have been more truthful and also a much much better reason in the long run? Absolutely. Next up would be my issues with the equipment and ability of out troops to be allowed to get the job done in the most efficient way possible. I hate to point it out, but the equipment problems fall back to the previous administration’s desire to strip and burn the military to the extent that it had been. The troops being able to get the job done efficiently is a bit of a hazy issue. We get into a bit of “Vietnam” territory. But what it really boils down to is that since WWII people have become increasingly uncomfortable with the realities of war. This has lead to a miilitary that has to tip toe around at the expense of the lives of US soldiers. Obviously, the solution to this particular issue is a tough one. I don’t agree with just doing a “trash and burn” of Iraq. But I believe that the situation we’re in could have been prevented with an approach less hindered by concerns of lowered public opinion.

So, if you think that’s extreme political bias, eat me. I really don’t care at this point. I know we’re not going to agree. I also know that at this point in time I’m not happy with either party but I feel that the DEMOCRATS are on the verge of fucking things up a lot more than the REPUBLICANS. I see a lot more danger to my rights and my safety from the side of the DEMOCRATS. I know that’s not the popular view. I know LIBERALS love to get all doom and gloom and “Orwell is coming” with a lot of CONSERVATIVE policies. But I just see a lot more danger in some of the things that the DEMOCRATS are pushing. Some of my views may seem extreme. Whatever, I don’t believe in holding up the bottom at the cost of the individual’s ability to succeed. I understand the need for some socialized systems even in a capitalist society. In my opinion, the DEMOCRATS just push it too far. To the point that that bottom rung we were talking about ends up toppling the whole ladder. Like I said, I may be down there, but I manage on my own. I simply can’t respect people who fall back on their government to save them. That’s not coming from some silver spoon fed, country club going, anglo. That’s coming from someone who’s down there.

So, if you just want to write me of as some extreme neo-con because I feel that one party I don’t like is going to lead us down an even darker road than another party I don’t like then respond, don’t respond, or just eat shit for all I care. Because it’s a moot point as far as I can see because the people who determine this election aren’t going to be anywhere as informed as either you or I. We’re merely bitching about the weather here.

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I skimmed through your response. So, eat shit. You’re a pathetic excuse for a human being. Buck shot tastes like gummy bears, go try it. Your mom should have put a coat hanger to some good use. There hope that made your day. Rock on with your bullshit, solve absolutely jack shit, while fucking your sister’s mouth point of view. Juvenile enough for you, you blind cunt? Because that’s what you deserve, twist shit however you want. Hell, twist on your father’s cock for the next 40 years while you work your shit factory jobs. I really don’t care. You’re unable to have a grown up conversation with anyone that disagrees with you. Insults? Where the fuck did I insult you? You fucking brought the insults you impotent bitch. So, go back to getting mouth raped by everyone out there who realizes what a dickless retard you really are.

Told you that you were going to get nothing but juvenile insults. Enjoy.