MY NAME IS AXL ROSENBERG, AND I USE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL TO NUMB MY PAIN AND DEAL WITH MY PROBLEMS
Tuesday, May 5th, 2009 at 3:00pm by Axl RosenbergMetal Injection’s Rob Pasbani sent me a link to the below trailer for Edge, a documentary about the straight edge movement (apparently, it’s not a lifestyle) that is not to be confused with The Edge, that David Mamet movie with Anthony Hopkins, Alec Baldwin, the dude from Lost, and a giant fucking bear.
Look: I don’t give a fuck if you “party” or not. I do give a fuck that you feel some need to announce it to the world – in fact, I’d argue that as soon as you do announce it to the world, it is a lifestyle. Just go to the party and don’t drink and don’t do drugs – there’s really no fucking reason whatsoever to tell everybody within shouting distance that you’re clean. That “X” on your hand looks suspiciously like a cross, fucko. You’re basically part of a cult, which is how you deal with your personal shit. I and my friends deal with it with drugs and booze. It’s the same thing, really, except we have way more fun, and sometimes go home with someone ugly and have to figure out a way to sneak out in the morning.
-AR
a jew deals who likes iwrestledabearonce deals with his problems with drugs and booze.
sounds about right.
I don’t drink or do drugs. I’m strongly against drinking and doing drugs. But seriously, fuck straightedge. It’s a fashion statement, not a movement. Live your life and get the fuck over it.
Dude you’re totally wrong.
A fashion statement is something people go by for a short period of time because it seems so “cool”/”trendy” at that time. Then those people move on to the next trendy thing.
When a band like Earth Crisis is still spearheading the straight-edge movement after decades, it’s a movement, not a fashion statement.
Though i clearly agree that some people go into it cuz’ they think it’s so cool and then quit after 2 years and move on to the next cool thing (like not giving a fuck and getting high for instance :) ). But REAL straight-edge people (i.e. people who are and have been and will remain straight edge for years no matter what) aren’t in this case.
p.s: i’m not straight-edge
Kye, you hit the nail on the head.
word.
AXL- I couldnt agree more ( especially about the part of taking home fat ugly broads). People who are straightedge are fucking weird and think they are making a statement. Like you said if you want to be straightedge fine. Dont announce it to the world because NO ONE GIVES A FUCK.
Whoa Axl just said “someone”, he never said it was a woman he took home
If those people never announced it to the world as you say, nobody would have heard about it. Then maye you’ll say “so what ?”.
Well, now let’s take an example. The first people who discovered smoking cigarettes can damage your lungs. Do you think that would have been a good thing to shut them up ? And even if you let them speak, they won’t force you to follow their way, but at least you’re aware of it and you have a choice.
pussies
i agree with all u above….I drink…and used to try tons of shit….but i grew older….and grew outta that phase…thats all SXE seems to be is a phase ppl don’t grow out of…and yes AXL it defintly is a cult….
It’s not a cult, it’s just a dumb little club/fashion show. If you want to be straight edge that’s fine, come and hang out, but if you want to bum everyone out with it then I’d rather you just stayed home.
Ha…This is just a bunch of whiny pussies who think they are better than everybody else just because they don’t do drugs or drink booze. If someone chooses not to, that’s great, I party to have fun and relive stress. They make it sound like if you drink one beer eventually you’ll end up in prison strung out on heroin. NOT FUCKING TRUE. Also, If you don’t drink and do drugs, I find it hard to believe that you are being oppressed. Considering most adults my parents age I know don’t use drugs at all and drink very rarely, your not the fucking rebel you think you are, so really all their trying to do is make being lame seem cool. Hail the Leaf.
I remember interviewing Karl from Earth Crisis about 10 years ago or so, and he said he’d been straight edge since he was 16. I remember thinking that I didn’t believe in anything I believed in when I was 16, and was kind of amazed at the lack of mental growth that demonstrated. I, too, neither drink nor do drugs, but you won’t hear about it unless you offer me a drink, and then my response will be five words long: “No, thanks, I don’t drink.” End of conversation.
SE’s really piss me off. At least the ones that are overly in your face about it (which is 99.9% of them). They’re no different than gays who like to prance around and advertise to the world that they’re gay. It’s fine if that’s your deal, but in shoving it down peoples throats you become more of a mascot than an actual ambassador for your beliefs, and that’s just fucking annoying. My favorite are the ones who become SE because their friend drank and drove and killed himself. It’s one thing to honor your friend by not doing it, but I feel like most do it to take a stand against drugs and alcohol, because THEIR FRIEND, not them, THEIR FRIEND had no self control. Thanks SE’s for punishing us all with your obnoxiousness because of your own bad decisions and lack of self control. I couldn’t agree with you more Axl, next drink’s on me!
Seems like a movie that would air on Lifetime…. I’m just sayin’
This should be interesting… In a really fucking stupid kinda way.
the most unfortunate thing for me as someone who may be classified as “edge” is how many fucking awful bands came out of that whole community. save minor threat or fugazi, i really couldn’t give a shit about any of them. dumb jock music by glorified religious fundamentalists or nazis…
I’m technically “straight edge” I guess.
But you bet your ass I’m not gonna be a douche and announce it to the world like that.
you just did, douche.
I don’t drink, smoke or do any drugs. Big deal, it’s my choice. I’m not gonna put it in everyone’s face and make a statement out of it. Why does everything have to become some sort of movement? Can’t people just be who they are without feeling the need to wave a fucking flag about it?
No they can’t. Sorry.
You guys announce that you smoke pot all the time so what´s the problem about somebody announcing that they´re not?
Do you feel threatned by it?
Why?
I was going to bring up the same point. He seems annoyed that some people announce what their lifestyle is yet a constant theme on this site is all the drinking and weed smoking they do. Pot meet Kettle?
I didn’t even bother watching the vid, nor do I care that the editors love alcohol and weed, just found it funny one guy that likes to discuss his habits ranting about another guy that likes to discuss his habits.
In defense of the guys responsible for this site: There’s a huge difference between discussing your habits and proclaiming that your habits are correct. Axl never said that his way of doing things is the best, or that straightedge kids shouldn’t exist, he just shared his own personal views to spark a discussion/debate. A lot of straightedge people, on the other hand, don’t merely discuss their habits and views. They actually say that they are right and you are wrong. When the guys on this site talk about smoking a bowl or drinking, they’re not telling you that you’re wrong for not doing that. They’re not bragging about getting fucked up the way straightedge kids brag about not getting fucked up. That’s the difference.
Exactly. Fuck both ends of the spectrum.
My thing is I don’t like people coming up to me randomly, without me acknowledging them as human beings and going “If you’re not SE, then you are…” insert posi hardcore way of saying fag. (But of course they would never say that cause they’re against bigotry.)
ya, but then again, those who drink\smoke will often do the same. just playing devil advocate.
I have never met a militant stoner or alcoholic. I have never had one of these individuals tell me that because i didn’t drink they were going to fuck me up. I have had edgers tell me they were going to fuck me up for not being straight edge. I’m not even kidding.
And it IS a lifestyle. Anytime you point to something and decide that it is or isn’t going to be a part of your life, then that’s a lifestyle decision. The problem is everybody feels the need to label that choice.
I agree. A life style is anyway of living your life. If you live your life according to the Bible, that’s a religious LIFESTYLE.
The definition of LIFESTYLE has nothing to do with the STYLE part. Lifestyle has to do with a set of standards, rules, or social norms we personally follow. It does not matter whether its a sociological standard or religious, or has popular culture ties… anyway you live your life that you code and standardize is a lifestyle. I would say people who don’t do drugs or drink are not necessarily STRAIGHT EDGE, but they’re certainly living some type of “Clean Living” lifestyle.
The only thing I would say in this world that isn’t a lifestyle is being homeless or poor… unless of course you choose to be. (Not saying being poor or homeless is something people who are poor or homeless choose… but i do know some hippies who just enjoy living in tents or cars… and thats a choice.)
yea dude, i am one of those hippies, though my shitty ghetto house has electricity, i am happy poor. and i must say that some of those SE homos dont do drugs because they are too pussy to handle them to begin with, so they turn completely against them since the cool drug addict kid fucked his ex-girlfriend he is still whining over. not to say that being a drug addict is cool, but to a noob like that who cant handle a fucking beer i would imagine druggies would be on a thrown to them since a drug addict can handle all these things he cant. kids (and i specify the word *KIDS*) like that dont have the mental stability to handle something like acid, they would jump off a fucking balcony or turn gay.
i read pretty much every message in here and realized that alot of you are smart motherfuckers. just goes to show metal is not the mindless screaming, guitar wailing, and drum slamming like most people portray it is. i live for metal. it controls me sometimes, i hope thats not satan. haha
“Straight edge” is something else nowadays but it was the real deal back in the ’80’s. By that I mean there were usually gnarly punk bands who refused drinks and drugs and truly fucking meant it. Meaning they would beat your ass if you poked fun at their decision or attempted to dose them, or snuck a weed brownie in their lunch. It was all over the songs sure but for a stretch there were some youth crews who felt they truly fit with these edge folks, that you could live your life free of troubles (poison is the word I guess) and learn to deal with your problems on your own terms without these aides and their side effects. They write X’s on your hand when you’re underage at shows, so eventually that took hold in the culture and became sort of a why to acknowledge to yourself and others that you know what decision you are making and that you stand by it. Of course, being shoved around, shouted at, you name it, you would want to band together with people who shared your same view. Then of course these people suit you well and you become their friends. If anything that’s what the whole “movement” is about: acceptance and tolerance.
Well, that what it was about at any rate. You started getting the militant folks, the dude who took hardline as more than a philosophy and as a way to carry yourself and help others be carried. Then as the years went on more and more youth were attracted to it, if for nothing more than feeling accepted in a now somewhat large subculture. Once it became a largely youth thing it lost most of the value being straight edge used to have. Nowadays it’s every other kid you see is straight edge, then you have to determine the standard hardcore kids from the punk kids from the emo kids from the edge kids…. but they all have the same fashion, same outlook, same worldview, same niavete. In 2009 I don’t know what it is, but it’s certainly changed from it’s original purpose. There still remain “hate edge” groups that were picked up on by the media a couple years ago. Basically the militant straight edge people forgot tolerance, forgot acceptance, forgot basically everything that made them straight edge and started to go after people who weren’t edge, who “poison” themselves without thinking of the effect it has on those around them. These groups are nothing more than gangs, meatheaded morons who blindly think they’re doing something right in the world at large, or their tiny little subculture. Or their tiny suburb, if you really want to get into it.
And that is my problem with hardcore/punk people these days. It’s fine and dandy to dress up all raggedy with patches all over but you know why people dressed like that in the first place? They were dead ass fucking poor, they wore those fucking clothes every damn day not to look cool or fit in with a different crowd, but because they were the clothes they had. Go look on the streets, go to some shitty downtown road, or the bad area of town with all sorts of pierced and tattoo’d motherfuckers. The hobos look more like punk and hardcore people than us jeans and t-shirts dudes. Suburban teens think they’re problems are bad, so there’s this neat little nook to cram yourself into where you can dress differently, have cooler looking hair, ridiculous colors, showcase the bands you like, and meet others just like yourself. Punk kids these days grow up into scarf-wearing hipsters, and the old school guys are either putting their family through life or rotting away in that bar or side alley they’ve been rotting in for the last 20 years. The straight edge hardcore and punk that came about in the 80’s were products of social unrest and intensely shitty living situations in the city. Almost always in a shitty, huge city full of crime. Nowadays people in po-dunk towns in the desert have that rage, that’s why Salt Lake City is so full of gnarly ass fucks.
Anyway, straight edge is a personal decision, and you’re an asshole if you have to proclaim it on the mountaintops or force your dogma down others throats. Of course, we’re also assholes for not accepting their culture at all, for not understanding the decision they make, and reacting accordingly when we feel threatened (as slight as we do) by their views. It’s easy to say “fuck straight edge” just like I say “fuck that crappy ironic-core band” or “fuck communism” or “fuck eating casserole.” What’s harder and more manly is to go to lengths in understanding what is going on with the culture, in realizing not every straight edge person is hardline or up front about their lifestyle. In fact, most so-called “straight edge” people aren’t the idiots you see in this documentary, but regular dudes and gals who decided not to. Being straight edge doesn’t make you a terrible buffoon no one wants to behold, that no one wants to enjoy the company of. No, you’re who you are and if you feel like putting another little tag on your personality, so be it. It doesn’t make you someone else.
Straight edge has a simple aim: clean body, clean mind, and clean hearts. This means taking care of yourself by not just cutting out all drugs but by eating well and eating things that fit in your idealogy. This means vegetarianism or vegans for a lot of people. Clean mind means the It’s also rejecting the frivolous nature of sex, realizing it’s meaningless but also saving it’s meaning for what is true for your heart. This isn’t saving yourself for marriage and this isn’t writing silly love poetry to the girl in your class with the sideways bangs who occasionally likes to give you a handjob when she gets bored. No, this means not sleeping willy nilly with anyone, like you and I do at bars, and to hold enough respect for yourself to not tinker with others emotions for absolutely zero gain.
Okay, enough bullshit. I’m not a straight edge and never have been, it’s just unfortunate to see folks react to a blown up commericial version of a scene. I’m not aiming for the high road, I just don’t want people who have problems with straight edge to showcase their issues in ways that made the straight edge people reject drug culture in the first place. That’s all I have, my two cents. The rest of the comments may end up being as intolerant as us all/.
Is writing a fucking novel in response to some shitty trailer really necessary? Jesus man, step away from the keyboard.
It took fifteen minutes maximum, I sit on my ass in front of a computer. So sorry I gave the “intelligent discussion about metal” this site was created by.
ignore that knob end. more intelligent expression (even if verbose) in the comments is never a bad thing
This. Every word of it. I used to be straight edge. Now I’m not, but not because I suddenly changed my principles and started doing drugs or whatever, but because I hated the straight edge crowd that I used to hang out with. They would confine their musical taste not only to hardcore, but old school straight edge hardcore, not even wanting to listen to anything slightly “metal” or influenced by it. They were the most close-minded people I’ve ever met. They were all about appearances. They started to wear girl pants when they saw the dudes in Champion wore girl pants. So I say FUCK YOU not to the straight edge lifestyle or its principles (which I follow myself, and are as valid as any other set of principles), but to the people who claim to live by them just for appearance’s sake.
Axl’s got a bit shouty and annoyed ? Period time ?
To be straight edge one would have to cease getting utterly wankered/stoned every weekend? FUCK NO !
seriously, i hear ya. i cant eat or sleep without pot.
I think I was straightedge for about 3 months in High School because my girlfriend at the time talked me into it…then I grew the fuck up and stopped being such a damn scene kid. I don’t do drugs, but I’ll drink like a fucking fish and love every minute of it…so screw you sXe for making 3 months of my life REALLY boring.
“I don’t give a fuck if you ‘party’ or not. I do give a fuck that you feel some need to announce it to the world”
Couldn’t this exact statement have come just as easily from someone who DOESN’T ‘party’? And in that case, do I have the right to get upset when someone who does drink and do drugs announces it to the world? I don’t care if you drink or do drugs, I do care that you feel some need to announce it to the world.
Yes you do have that right. I also hate people who tell stories like “Dude I was soooo wasted the other night that blah blah blah.” To those people I say, if you can remember enough to give us all a detailed account, then YOU WEREN’T THAT DRUNK! Listen, drink or don’t drink, nobody cares! The bottom line is people who get too high on themselves (pun INTENDED) for whatever it is that they choose, just plain suck!
I enjoyed the pun very much
Apply that logic to the video. If this video was a bunch of grown men and women taking pensive walks on the beach, talking about the day the decided to drink a beer and smoke a cigarette, we’d be laughing at how ludicrous it is.
Defining yourself by what you put in your body is incredibly shallow. If your personality is based on your relationship with alcohol, you’re a waste. The same goes for you vegans out there. It’s one thing to make a choice about consuming a certain thing, it’s an entirely different thing to make a huge emotional stand and draw a line in the sand between yourself (who is totally fucking right about that particular consumable) and everyone else (who’s wrong enough to get their ass kicked).
Define yourself by what you do, instead of what you put in your body (or make a fuss about *not* putting in your body).
Greg, nice post. You pretty much nailed it.
good call! nothing worse than a “more vegan than thou” mindset!
Yeah, whether or not you do drugs is your business (I’m lumping alcohol in with “drugs”). I think it’s a bit juvenile to have X’s and shit on your hands or wear straight-edge t-shirts or whatnot, and vice versa, with promoting alcohol or pot culture like we see so often. Just be comfortable with who you are and experience life how you want to experience it. There’s no need to be a walking billboard.
The drug culture is a pretty powerful persuader for a lot of us, and far too many think it’s way too cool and they go way too far with it. I know plenty of individuals personally who would be much better off if they consumed less drugs (incl. alcohol, again). Sadly I can’t convince them otherwise and shouldn’t have to. These drugs can change how people behave, usually for the worse, and can control their lives and decisions that they make when they start to consume habitually and regularly. As you should know, Alcohol and Marijuana are both depressants and it exhibits in habitual user’s daily behaviours. There are other drugs, other than alcohol, marijuana, and tobacco, that I think are mentally beneficial to experience OCCASIONALLY when done properly. They can be quite therapeutic. I encourage anyone to seek them out on their own, research them, and experience them using the proper methods. They can give new perspective on life and the world.
Lecture over, discuss. ;)
Why even waste time on this crap? It’s not metal. Those bands usually suck anyway.
1. Their music sucks and the guitarists cant do anything unless its a power chord with the same pattern
2. So one day when these kids grow up out of their phase and have dumb fucking Xs tattooed all over them, what happens if they want to be an adult and responsibly drink at a wedding, bar, golf, party,etc?
3. Most of the straight edge people I know ONLY hang with their D-bag scene and shun anyone who touches booze…they also beat the shit out of someone at a local show for being drunk and stoned having a good time…I FUCKING HATE STRAIGHT EDGE KIDS! SUCK A COCK
4. Many of the ones I know who proclaim themselves as edge, DRANK AND SMOKED POT WITH ME YEARS PRIOR!??!?!?!?!?!?!? WTF!!!! “O, Im a reborn edge” Yea fuck off lol im pissed about this dumb fucking movie….
MAYBE IF THEY SMOKED A DOOB THEY COULD ACTUALLY PLAY A TRIAD CHORD OR A SOLO OR SOMETHING! haha
Smoke weed everyday.
amen to that
It’s safe to say Phil Anselmo has accomplished more with his life than anyone who is “straight-edge” ever has, and his body was a toxic waste-dump during the entirety of it. Moderation is of course the key to everything, I’m just making the point that success and recreational drug use are not mutually exclusive.
Also – If you don’t drink or do drugs there’s very little chance that you make worthwhile art in the first place.
Lol very bad example IMO !
I mean i’m a huge Phil Anselmo fan but he’s the typical example of how drugs can fuck somebody up !
Recreational drug use my ass !
You could also have picked Ozzy Osbourne :)
And there’s also a shitload of straight-edge people that have accomplished way more in life than “not giving fuck let’s get high” people.
So your point is not even a real and worhty one.
No. Art is not related to drug use, it’s related to passion. If YOU can’t produce anything worthwhile without drinking or drugs, it might be time to think about your life for a minute. Not saying drinking or drugs can’t make you produce worthwhile art, just saying they are not necessary for it.
+1000
Axl, the one thing you really nailed about straight edge people is that is does seem like some kind of cult. I drink, smoke pot, and occasionally do other shit and I don’t really care what people think about it. I don’t become this crazy person when I am drunk or high, just me, drunk and high and I like how it feels. It’s not ruining my life so what’s the problem?
Some people just don’t do drugs or drink and that’s totally cool. I don’t really care what people do as long as it doesn’t fuck with me. The problem with people who identify themselves “Straightedge” is that they often act like they are on a pedestal and are somehow better than everyone else. It’s as if they have been enlightened and if you don’t do what they do then your just a bad person. Sound familiar? Yeah it’s how a lot of hyper-religious people act too. Like an Asshole and no one likes an asshole.
I call bullshit, Axl. As \m/Eluveitie\m/ above stated, YOU announce to the world that you drink and smoke pot on a weekly basis. I’ve heard countless people (and I probably did the same thing at one point too) brag about their partying. So who the fuck cares if the “other side” makes a pronouncement.
lol if people wanna be edge more power to them.I got friends that do drugs and friends that are sxe but my edge friends aren’t these faggots that go around shoving it down peoples throats and acting all high and mighty that shit is so lame and trendy.My name is Nick Carosello and I drink and do drugs.
I like my drinks quite a bit, not much of a smoker but to each his own but I gotta say, people who talk constantly about drinking or smoking and try their hardest to let everyone know that they are pot heads and proud of it are pretty damn close to being as annoying as the people that run around waving their “edge” flag. We get it,you smoke pot. We dont care. You dont have to validate your position as resident super pot hero to us everyday,it is no more enjoyable to hear than it is to hear these fucks tell us how ridiculous it is that people think straight edge is a life style. Quit acting like a 16 year and trying to let everyone know how cool of a pot smoker you are all the time and writer about some metal and quit with bullshit like this and reviews of Wolverine just because you didnt like the movie.This isnt moviessuck.com or axlsucksbluntseveryday.com
^ What he said.
I have to say, that video was embarassing. I am one of those people who has decided they don’t want to drink or do drugs, and I have my reasons, but those people all either sound EMO or they sound like they’re just pushing propaghanda (basically saying that if you DO drink or do drugs, you’ll die, hurt someone or end up in the gutter, which even I know is not accurate)
I do find it annoying when I tell some people that I don’t drink and they are like “WHAT?!” like they can’t fathom the concept that a human being other than themselves DOESN’T get shit faced at every available opportunity. We are not all booze hounds and we are also not all wanker emo “I deal with my problems the natural way” fucks.
I may choose not to drink 99% of the time, but even I may still enjoy a drink on the rare occasion that I decide I want to. It’s not black and white. And the whole X’s on the hands thing, that is seriously a fashion statement and someone crying out for attention. You want to be noticed and you want someone to care about you. I think if you need to draw Xs on yourself you still don’t even know who you really are.
What is it with not doing something that makes people so much more inclined to brag about it? Same goes for atheists and vegans. Yeah, you don’t drink/believe in god/eat meat. Good for you. Stop telling me about it.
go swedish if you want hardcore, i bet they fuckin drink…
Please let this movie make it to theaters. I would love nothing more than to go fucked up out of my mind. Its the only way I can tolerate pretentious straight edge people.
did he say “angel dust laced with marijuana”?
straight edge is sooooooo gay.
people are so fucking pathetic is hurts. this trailer played out like a fucking anti drug add. fuck these faggots and their one sided beliefs, grow the fuck up
They announce it cuz’ they stand for it and they try to convince the non-straight edge to change and understand what they’re about, and in a way maybe change the world a bit, in a good way…
I don’t feel “harassed” by them since straight edge is seen as a minor/underground movement, and you never see them in the mainstream media anyway.
Anyway i feel more concerned by their message than the “go party let’s get drunk/high and not give a fuck” message that’s so “cool” nowadays.
I don’t give a fuck about what is “cool” actually. Fuck “cool”.
That guy will be drinking in a week
Who is “that guy” ?
The guy in the video with the funny hair and red shirt
Ian Mackaye will come fuckstart all your heads
being straight edge and making shitty hardcore music are synonomous
actually, the whole “straight edge as a cult” thing is laughable anyhow given the fetishization of pot iconography or the importance people place on their particular brands of beer. just different types of sheep no matter how you slice them. i can’t stand drunks and stoners just as much (if not more) as your average edge warrior, so who really gives a shite….
That was kind of… weird. Something about their level of conviction is creepy. I totally believe they’re sincere, and I believe that *they* believe they’re sincere, but I dunno… That trailer and the testimonies of the people sort of reminded me of the testimonies of people who’ve been “cured” of being gay, you know? In their eyes I see sadness and longing. A desperation, of sorts, I guess.
i totally agree with that one. but im not one to talk.
All of you are faggots. Now go smoke a blunt.
This.
Story Time:
A buddy of mine went to a hardcore show back in the late 80’s, and there were these Straight Edge guys there. These guys were grabbing beer bottles out of the trash cans and breaking then, and then trying to cut anyone that they saw drinking/smoking. Finally, the band saw them, and stopped the show, and the audience and band formed a wall and just pushed the Straight Edge guys right out of the club together. Then the show went back on.
Three thoughts:
1. It isn’t as much a lifestyle as it is a subculture. Or really a subculture of a subculture. An offshoot of the hardcore subculture. I mean straight edge people are all into the trappings of hardcore culture; dabbling with veganism, protesting corporations, political radicalism, short hair, studded belts, and horrible three chord hardcore punk music. So is a lifestyle a subculture?
2. Funny that on one hand it “isn’t a lifestyle” and on the other the term “lifelong” is bandied about. I wonder why people jump to the “lifestyle” conclusion?
3. The ancient Greeks didn’t have a word that meant drug abuser or alcoholic. It didn’t exist, even though they had all kinds of wine and drugs; cannabis from Africa and opium from the far East. In a way, aren’t the straight edge kids a reflection of the worst part of Occidental culture in the modern era? The stigmatism against substances used for a variety of recreational purposes; relaxation, relieve boredom, spiritual or religious experiences is signs of a repressive, authoritarian society instead of the open, tolerant one most hardcore folks pretend to adhere.
Also, my lifestyle determines my deathstyle! hahahahah!
haha AWESOME!
omg that’s hilarious.
Jesus H. titty-fucking Christ! Seems like people have a lot to say aboot this subject.
if you dont do drugs thats cool, thats your thing, try not to brag about it, if you do do em, same thing, thats cool whatever, dont brag, and by brag i mean making an ass out of yourself and leting it get to the point where people will think that you think your better then everyone.
i drink lots of beer and vodka, like a fucking pro, just about every weekend, but i dont let it effect the other important things in my life, like work, family and shit. you only live once, have fun with it
I used to drink a bunch and smoke lots of the budda, but I gave it up just because I turn into a real jerk and shit. I don’t feel the need to broacast it to the world that I don’t partake in the festivities (execpt at this very moment). I still go to bars, parties and other festive places. I still take home large women from the bars I don’t care. Get drunk, get high and have a good time.
Why would you care if somebody cared in what they believe in?
Does it matter if someone is edge or not?
Does it matter if someone smokes or drinks everyday?
Why do you care about someones decisions in life?
Why do you care?
animal rights, public health, car accidents and all the shit due to being stone/drunk, and so many more
I know I want the stoners to answer unless they are to fucked up enough.
animal rights? what the fuck does that have to do with being stoned or drunk?
i kinda mixed up the SxE & Vegan thingie, since there’s a lot of straight edgers that are vegan as well…
that’s why
Because people who are straight edge are pussys. smoke a fucking bong.
I can kinda see where Axl is coming from… for instance, my girlfriend does not eat RED meat (couldnt think of the term). But she won’t introduce herself as, Hey I’m Kim and I dont eat red meat. If it is offered to her she just declines and then thanks the offer anyways. I think people that BRAG ABOUT HOW LONG THEY HAVE DONE IT is fucking annoying. There are a few “sXe” kids at my college and they change their facebook status’s every month to like “23 months of sXe!” <<< who the fuck cares??
Beginning of clip:
“So any time someone says to me so you live the straight edge lifestyle I think, its not a fucking lifestyle.”
2 Minutes Later:
“it puts an interesting spin on life”
“if you consider yourself straight edge its going to be for like a life long thing”
“…it is a lifetime commitment, it is liberating…”
Stupid Americans and your non-tolerance towards others, that’s all i gotta say. Now go back and listen to your retarded deathcore, scenecore, emocore, crapcore or whatevercore!
^Hilarious. I’d love to know where you’re from. Europe? Isn’t that where the racism is worn on your sleeve? Where running out on a check is called “pulling the moor?” So enlightened. Oh, maybe Asia or Africa. Both beacons of tolerance.
After reading a bunch of these comments, I have come to the conclusion that most people who post here are retarted.
Yes, like your fucking stupid pea brain. YOU CAN’T EVEN FUCKING SPELL RETARDED CORRECTLY. Oh the irony.
well i guess that means you are retarded. since half the people here have expressed their points and opinions validly in almost every instance… i guess its the people who send stupid messages like the one you just sent are “”"retarted”"”
“You’re basically part of a cult, which is how you deal with your personal shit. I and my friends deal with it with drugs and booze. It’s the same thing, really, except we have way more fun, and sometimes go home with someone ugly and have to figure out a way to sneak out in the morning.”
Truth.
Drink. Don’t. Whatever. Anyway you cut it this preview feels like an ad for church. Works surprisingly well if you substitute “straight edge” for “religion.” Just sayin…
You cannot compare “church/religious clout/pressure” vs “Straight-edge clout/pressure” IMO…
Indeed all the church/religious bullshit prevails in international politics (see US foreign politics, some arab & muslim countries foreign politics, …), the way most people judge you, laws (i.e “this “thing” is forbidden cuz’ the bible/coran/whatever says it’s evil”). Not to mention church people knocking at your door or coming at you in the street to make you one of them.
You can’t deny religion/church has a huge CLOUT nowadays, and is very oppressive (in case you’re not religious at all, like i am).
On the opposite, straitght-edge movement has no real clout in public politics, and i’ve never felt adressed/threatened/harassed by straight edge people, unless i decide to check out a SxE band or something…
And actually i think we would be better off if some of the straight edge concerns (animal rights, health, sustainable environment stuff) were taken seriously in politics/law/public attention than the religious stuff, which has 5% of good but “obvious” stuff (do not kill/steal your fellow, etc) and 95% of bullshit that do not make sense (and if i want a good heroïc fantasy story with miracles and shit, i’d better watch Lord of the rings than read the bible…).
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oh jesus, they’re both dumb. relax.
“And actually i think we would be better off if some of the straight edge concerns (animal rights, health, sustainable environment stuff) were taken seriously in politics/law/public attention”
^^ Those are not “straight edge concerns,” they are human concerns. People that are straight edge may also be interested in these types of causes, but straight edge has nothing to do with it. Straight edge means not drinking/ using drugs (and I have heard some people really stretch it to include not having promiscuous sex as well), period.
when i meant “straight-edge” concerns, i mean a lot of SXE are vegan, care about animal rights an stuff… maybe my choice of words wasn’t right but you get my point…
and when you say they’re human concerns, i mean they SHOULD be human concerns but for some reason (money ? not giving-a-fuck attitude being easier than giving-a-fuck ?) most people do not give a shit about those concerns… so even if i don’t like the “we’re SXE and we’re superior than you non-SXE people” thing some SXE people have, at least a lot of those SXE people bring out some of those tremendous and “human” concerns to the public (gig crowds to start with). And I’d better listen to those SXE people, even if i don’t 100% agree with them, than the opposite “i don’t give a fuck, i like to drive when i’m drunk, i smoke in front of my kids, i don’t care if the meat i buy has something to do with animal cruelty” type of people.
I don’t understand why you group straight edge with animal rights or environmental concerns. Just because I drink doesn’t mean I don’t get fired up for those things: they’re not synonymous with straight edge. You are aware that there are people that drink that give a shit, yes?
The only thing straight edge people bring to the public is their lame attempt to coerce people into buying into their *lifestyle,* and that does nothing but piss the vast majority off. Getting back to my original point- just like religion. Nobody makes friends by yelling or acting holier than thou.
Vegan people are fucking nuts too. Some fucking douche taint at a concert once was handing out PETA stuff and was like “You’re poisoning yourselves with the blood of innocents” and i told him that i enjoyed veal and baby cow was my favorite thing next to munching on his mother’s box.
this guys seems really young and naive.. you will learn
o btw not you crapmcpoopin, i meant the straight edge tard is naive. what you said was funny
I went to plenty of hardcore shows in Mass in the late 90’s, and was never too bothered by any sXe people. I’d say at least 75% of those people that were so militant about it have gone “mainstream” and given up the “lifestyle,” but that’s to be expected. To hold it against them would be ridiculous, as I was never sXe in the first place.
Having said that, this movie looks terrible, simply because the trailer shows absolutely no hint of any conflict or resolution, it’s simply “We are straightedge — here’s our story.” That’s not a movie, that’s a statement, and a really boring-looking one, at that.
In England we have binge drinking – now that really is a way of life. Not a great one admittedly.
Both sides of this are retarded.
“SMOKE WEED ERRDEH GET FUCKED UP” is just as annoying as that straightedge bullshit spouting.
2 things:
- Who was that band in the video?
- And the bad thing about certain “straight edge” people is the leaps in logic that they make. Like that one guy that was interviewed that quickly equated drinking/ drug use / partying with winding up “on a sidewalk” or some such nonsense. Not every drug user is irresponsible. Not every drug user hurts themselves and those around them, which was also assumed by one of the people interviewed. I think MANY (not all) use their straight edge “philosophy” simply to look down on others, create animosity, and gain a feeling of moral or intellectual superiority. Those are usually the ones that make letting everyone that will listen know that they are straight-edge their number one priority in life. If straight edge is your philosophy, great, more power to you…just don’t look down and judge others that lead a different lifestyle.
White people are hilarious.
I thought Ian Mackaye “broke edge” (as all those cool kids call it). And it is a lifestyle no matter how he tries to explain it.
just what I’m thinking.
I’m on of those who just say it if they are asked and I dont even see me as edge, I just don’t do drugs. I need to group of people behind me for that…
The straight edge kid who preaches about how being drug-free is rad is just as annoying as the stoner who swears that all the answers to life are in a fucking plant. I’m straight edge but I don’t force it on anyone, it’s my fucking choice and if you wanna drink a beer, I COULD CARE LESS but I’m not gonna bash you for it, either. Here’s a little secret about straight edge: it’s filled with people and most people are fucking sketchy so you’re bound to run into a few that piss you off and take it too far. Life’s like that. Is every stoner I meet a burnout hippie piece of shit? No, they aren’t. Goddamn, this is stupid.
“It’s even more a part of your life now that can’t touch it….”
I’m 24…don’t drink and have never used drugs in my life.
Shit is expensive, kills your brain, beer gets you fat and is something I will never embrace.
If you want to waste your money/health/life on those things, so be it. Most of my friends are pot heads and semi-drunks but we all co-exist.
I know plenty of people who don’t drink or do drugs. They, however, do not consider themselves to be “straight edge”… or announce it everywhere they go.
I knew of sXers who jumped a kid because he was drinking coffee.
COFFEE.
Fuck that movement good and hard.
The thing I don’t understand about straightedge is this: Every straightedge person I’ve met is against self destruction, but extremely pro-violence. From my own experience, many straightedge kids are also pretty racist. I don’t know if that speaks for the whole scene or not, but I’ve certainly witnessed my fair share of racially motivated straightedge violence, at shows and otherwise. Bad violence too, I saw a Puerto Rican guy getting stomped in the FACE by a group of six or seven straightedge kids wearing steeltoed boots. The cops, when they finally decided to do something about it, had to break out the nightsticks on these motherfuckers. So I don’t understand why it’s not cool to damage your own body with drugs and alcohol in the name of a good time, but it’s cool to fuck someone ELSE’S body up because he’s dark-skinned and drinking a beer. Like I said, I might have witnessed the exception rather than the rule, I don’t know, but if that’s what a lot of straightedge people are like then straightedge people fuckin suck.
They must not have been straight edge… I’ll argue in their defense that SXE kids, as militant and proviolence as they are, are also against racism. I don’t know if you met just a bunch of fringe sxe nazis or something… but the majority of insane sxe’rs will punch you in the head for making a Black joke.
I figured the racism was probably incidental. They were definitely neo-nazis as well as straightedge. But still, there’s something kind of ludicrous about abstaining from drugs or alcohol to protect your body but not thinking twice about ruining someone else’s. Like many people here have said, abstinence from substance use is a perfectly respectable lifestyle choice, but self-righteousness and bragging are not. There’s something a little cultish about turning a personal decision into a movement.
A man named Sage Francis said “you shouldn’t define yourself by what you don’t do.”
The straight-edge idea, which was what it was when it started…actually it wasn’t even that. It was a goddamn SONG before faggots fucked it up.
Anyway…The straight edge idea seemed interesting on paper…but utterly pointless. You can choose not to do drugs or alcohol without being straight edge. What next? “The No Cussing Club” & The “NO-BATION” movement?
There are also sober people out on the sidewalk being broke and poor as shit as well. So you CAN’T tell me drinking booze and smoking weed will put me out and render me useless.
Some hardcore people are convoluted as fuck anyway. They want to include themselves in metal circles…yet will do their damnedest to fuck up a mosh-pit with their invisible ninja fighting. They attempt to infuse metal culture in their shit WHILE saying fuck metal culture. They talk about how they’re true to themselves and don’t adopt the mainstream tendencies when its mostly THEIR subgenres clogging up the mainstream tubes.
They also like to instantly add titles to their hardcore once you talk about the some of the mad faggotry involved. “OH NO, THATS NOT HARDCORE…THATS ULTRA BEATDOWN SLAMCORE”
So this Straight-Edge fashion statement is not surprising…
Also, Fuck Ian Mckaye…He’s got no room to say anything…he created EMO. You can come at me with the “No, he created Emotive Hardcore” shit, but Music was Emotive from the beginning…HE created Emo…and then it grew into the even worse shit you see now.
I’ve also noticed the argument that Axl has no room to talk because he talks about how he smokes weed and whatnot. SO? He’s not trying to make a goddamn movement out of it. He isn’t calling you a faggot for not smoking weed. He CERTAINLY isn’t beating anyone up for it either. Also, he talks about what he DOES, not what he doesn’t do.
I mean really. How interesting would it be to hear someone go. “So, I went home and I didn’t have a beer…I didn’t smoke weed and I didn’t inject heroin.”?
Not interesting at all. Not because he didn’t do any of those things, but why in the FUCK would he talk about it if he wasn’t doing it?
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amen to that.
its beyond ass backwards if you ask me
DRINK AND FUCKING SMOKE DOPE YOU WIMPS. STRAIGHTEDGE IS THE GAYEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD OF. LISTEN TO BRUTAL DEATH, DRINK PBR AND BLAZE THE SMOKE.
STRAIGHT EDGE FUCKING PATHETIC……………
ok you dont wanna do drugs and drink…whatever man..i dont care thats your thing…
but when you fucking pussies start bitching cus im drinkin my fucking beer and smoking my weed in your presence and bitch to me with your “hey dude, you better cut that shit out. we are straight edge” blah blah blah
fuck you… dont preach your shit to me, you live your life.. ill live mine
and yes booze and drugs do make things way more fun!
The moral of this story is that people really like talking about drugs and alcohol. Whether they do them or not, it is a topic people can’t help but bloviate their stance, or lack of stance, and how its cool. You might be thinking “How can you get all verbose about your lack of opinion?” to which I would reply “If you’re talking about intoxicants, anything is possible.”