AVL’s emotional content and songwriting is 100x better than BTBAM’s, genres aside.

And before you say anything to further solidify that you know absolutely nothing about this, I will say that I have a degree in audio technology (live and studio sound mixing and engineering), and know a lot about what I’m saying. You, on the other hand, don’t seem to have much of an idea, even if you continue to act as though you do.

You have a degree in audio technology? Did that come with the FruityLoops manual? Or did it come with a software update to Reason? They write their own songs? Whatever you say, man.

Uhh, no. It came from hard work and studying, two things I’m sure you know nothing about. I’ve studied music theory, play several instruments, and have recorded several bands. Does that mean I’m a better person than you? No (though let’s be honest, you seem like a pretty horrible person). It DOES mean that I know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than you, and you should stop talking out of your ass about things you have little to no knowledge of (which is fairly obvious from everything you’ve posted).

YouTube “Between the Buried and Me studio”. Everything I’m saying is 100% accurate, everybody. They can’t play the shit they “wrote” for more than a few measures.
I do understand a little better why everyone here seems to love them so much after watching those videos though. They look and act like absolute dorks. This is exactly how I imagine most MetalSucks commentators look and act. I guess the “fantasy factor” plays heavily into this bands popularity. There’s nothing wrong with that, it just seems sad to like shitty music because you could imagine yourself as a member of a band.

Who’s REALLY dumb again? “They simply record them bit by bit” and “They DON’T put their songs together in recording programs”?!? How does that work?
Like I said YouTube it, everybody. I can’t help that I’m right.

You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying (not surprising, you don’t seem to understand much of anything).

What I’m saying is, they enter the studio with songs written, and they are perfectly able to play the songs all the way through. They record these songs bit by bit, to make sure each part of the song sounds the best it can sound. Many bands do this. It’s pretty standard practice.

They DO NOT play bits and pieces and than go “Okay, let’s see how we can arrange these to make a song”, as you seem to be suggesting.

So, no you are not correct, nor are you anywhere near correct. Sorry you’re so oblivious to that.

And if you’re claiming that the way they record makes them bad for some reason, than you’re pretty much speaking about a lot more bands than just them.

Maybe try learning about something before you shoot your mouth off about it. M’kay? Thanks.

And, uh, do you NOT recall when I said I play several instruments? I am a musician, you moron. The fact that THAT seems to be a point you bring up to invalidate others’ opinions leads me to believe that either you KNOW you have no valid points and have to scrape for whatever you can to throw out there, OR you yourself are NOT a musician and think by saying that, you can fake like you are and try to shut up the people that are so obviously more intelligent than you.

I’m not an idiot (and by the way, it’s “you’re”, you asshole).

And I know the videos you’re talking about. I don’t know what else I can say to make you understand. What I’m saying is correct. What you’re saying is your lack of understanding for what you’re seeing.

Let’s see…who would know what’s going on here…guy who knows all about the processes of recording, both as a musician and as an engineer…or guy who saw a YouTube video and assumed something most likely based on a pre-existing bias…hmm…

How are you not getting this…

And here’s one of him playing very well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snGxAUBMZHY

Stop being a little bitch and just accept that you’re wrong. It’s not the first time. It won’t be the last. Maybe if you work on your ability to admit when you’re wrong, people won’t hate you as much.

Here’s a video showing the EDITS on a computer screen…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82WY761fOxM&feature=related

Like I said, “Metal by mouse click”.

Hmm, what? Sorry, I was too busy having a life to bother with sitting here all day to try to bash the truth into your mind.

I’m guessing this is how it works in your fantasy world you live in: Bands go into the studio, Do everything in one take all the way through, and then they’re done.

Here’s how it really is: They write their songs. They record them, doing several takes and sometimes taking it part by part. These songs are then edited, mixed, and mastered.

Since you haven’t seen them live, you can’t say anything at all about their ability to play the songs. I have. They play the songs flawlessly. Listen to Colors Live compared to Colors. You’ll see what I mean.

And as you don’t seem to understand that there’s a difference between playing in studio and playing live, I’m guessing YOU aren’t a musician. And even if you do happen to play an instrument, I’m guessing you’re not anywhere near good enough to be in a band and record in a studio to see how it works. Otherwise you wouldn’t be acting like such a fool right now.

You constantly going to YouTube for “evidence” is pretty sad. Guess what else is on YouTube? Videos of cats talking. I suppose you believe that’s true too, ehh?

At this point, you’re just embarassing yourself.

I’m bored with this now. I had around sixty replies in my inbox. It must be nice to have so much time to wast. I guess if you listen to BTBAM you get used to it.

I’m still right, by the way. Have fun.

That’s right! I DID quit reading your pointless comments. Figure that out all by yourself, did you? I got tired of reading lies from someone who had NO idea what he was talking about. Your not a musician. You don’t have a degree in “audio technology”. You’ve never recorded anything in your life. You’re just a liar. Let me make this REALLY clear: I KNOW you’re a liar. I feel bad for anyone here who might think you know anything, but there’s nothing I can do about that.

Oh, and BTBAM is ProToolscore. So I’m still right.

I said I was bored, I didn’t say I was going anywhere.

A couple days after posting, my email is still overloaded with emails telling me that Betel has restated thats he’s right, reshown his ignorance, and insulted more people for not having lives every hour or so

Betelgeuse is pathetic. And still wrong.

Mental retardation (MR) is a generalized disorder appearing before adulthood, characterized by significantly impaired cognitive functioning and deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors. It has historically been defined as an Intelligence Quotient score under 70.[1] Once focused almost entirely on cognition, the definition now includes both a component relating to mental functioning and one relating to individuals’ functional skills in their environment. As a result, a person with a below-average intelligence quotient (BAIQ) may not be considered mentally retarded. Syndromic mental retardation is intellectual deficits associated with other medical and behavioral signs and symptoms. Non-syndromic mental retardation refers to intellectual deficits that appear without other abnormalities.

People vs. Jackson (full case name: 1133603: The People of the State of California v. Michael Joseph Jackson) was a 2005 trial involving recording artist Michael Jackson. The accuser was a boy, Gavin Arvizo, who was 13 years old at the time of the alleged crimes. Jackson was indicted for four counts of molesting a minor, four counts of intoxicating a minor, one count of abduction, and one count of conspiring to hold the boy and his family captive at his 2,700-acre (11 km2) Neverland Ranch. He denied all counts and asserted that he himself was the victim of a failed extortion attempt. On June 13, 2005, the jury found Jackson not guilty on all charges.
Contents
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1 Early events
1.1 Bashir documentary
2 Rebuttal video
2.1 DCFS interview
2.2 Plans for a trip to Brazil, final departure from Neverland
2.3 Mother of accuser seeks legal advice
2.4 Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department investigation
3 Arvizo family
3.1 J.C. Penney: alleged assault, litigation and psychiatric analysis
3.2 Gavin Arvizo
3.3 Father of Gavin Arvizo
3.4 Mother of Gavin Arvizo
4 Arrest and investigation
4.1 Warrant and arrest
4.1.1 Jackson complains against the police
4.2 Charging
4.3 Arraignment
4.4 Court sessions
5 Grand jury proceedings and indictment
5.1 Alleged co-conspirators
6 The trial
6.1 Prosecution witnesses’ credibility
6.2 Jackson’s finances
7 Allegations of media bias against Jackson
8 Court dates
8.1 Verdict
9 See also
10 Notes
11 Books
12 External links
12.1 News
12.2 Police and courts
12.3 Interviews

[edit] Early events
[edit] Bashir documentary
Main article: Living with Michael Jackson

In a Granada Television documentary[1] entitled Living with Michael Jackson, British journalist Martin Bashir interviewed Jackson extensively. The film was broadcast in the UK on February 3, 2003, and in the U.S. three days later. The boy is shown holding hands with Jackson and resting his head on Jackson’s shoulder. At trial, the boy testified that Jackson initiated the hand-holding, but that he had put his head on Jackson’s shoulder because he was “really close to Jackson” and Jackson was his “best friend”. Both he and Jackson testified that they had slept in the same room, but not in the same bed. They also agreed that each had offered to sleep on the floor and let the other have the bed.

Later, the boy complained that he had not realized that the footage would be broadcast all over the world and that, after it aired, he was teased by his friends. His mother stated that she had not given Bashir permission to film her son and was not even aware of it prior to broadcast. Jackson stated in the documentary that many children, including Macaulay Culkin, his younger brother Kieran, and his sisters[2] had slept in Jackson’s bed; all maintained that nothing inappropriate occurred.

Responding to criticisms of the broadcast, Santa Barbara County District Attorney Thomas W. Sneddon Jr. stated that, under California law, the distinction was irrelevant. An adult sleeping in the same bed as a child is not a criminal offense, unless “affirmative, offensive conduct” occurs.[3] Jackson and his aides were indicted for conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment, and extortion. Some sources were critical of the indictments, believing them to be an attempt to ameliorate PR damage caused by the documentary. Jackson was also indicted for child molestation, based on the accuser’s allegations of events subsequent to the documentary, when he and Jackson had already been friends for several years. One defense to this accusation was that it contradicted logic, i.e., that Jackson would not have molested the accuser after the documentary aired. As his attorney put it,

The Bashir documentation was aired in the US on February 6, 2003; Gavin Arvizo’s given time frame for the alleged molestations was February 20, 2003 – March 12, 2003. The family was acquainted with Michael Jackson for almost 2 years, but the alleged victim claimed he was molested after the footage was filmed and at a time “the whole world was already watching”.

[edit] Rebuttal video

In response to the Bashir documentary, a second video called Take Two or The Footage You Were Never Meant to See, was aired. The production included Bashir praising Michael’s qualities as a father and his relationship with children in general, while in the other production Bashir said he was “disturbed” about Michael’s relationship with children. Further, the production included an interview with the family, filmed on the night of February 19, 2003, in Moslehi’s home. This part of the footage was not aired because the videographer Hamid Moslehi refused to hand it over, following a financial dispute with Jackson.[4][5] It was found by police in a search of Moslehi’s home in November 2003, and it showed the accuser’s family praising Jackson, with the accuser insisting no molestation had occurred and that Jackson was “innocent”.[6] Arvizo, his sister Daveline, brother Star and mother Janet were “upfront” and said that inappropriate behavior had “absolutely not occurred” while also calling him a father figure.[6] They also insisted that they slept in Jackson’s bed although Jackson himself always slept on the floor.[6] To further the rebuttal Janet Arvizo issued the statement:

“The relationship that Michael has with my children is beautiful, loving, father-son and daughter one. To my children and me Michael is part of the family.”[6] She also stated that she was thinking of taking legal action against Martin Bashir.[6]

[edit] DCFS interview

On February 20, 2003, Janet Arvizo was interviewed by the Sensitive Case Unit of the Los Angeles Department of Children & Family Services (DCFS), as part of an investigation jointly carried out with the LAPD. A school official from the Los Angeles Unified School District had lodged a complaint out of concern for the boy who would later be Jackson’s accuser, and his younger brother. The official did so out of general neglect by their mother and sexual abuse by Jackson, after watching the Bashir documentary. The entire family insisted that no inappropriate contact with Jackson occurred; moreover, the mother said that the children were never left alone with Jackson. The case was closed and the charges marked as “unfounded.” Afterwards, in November 2003, when there was outside interest in connection with charges against Jackson, a report was made.[7]
[edit] Plans for a trip to Brazil, final departure from Neverland

In mid February 2003, Marc Schaffel, Michael Jackson and Janet Arvizo decided on taking a trip to Brazil for one week while the Arvizo family was to be moved into a new apartment and children checked into a new school district. This was a result of the negative attention received by Michael Jackson and the Arvizo family after the Bashir Documentary. Marc Schaffel instructed Jackson’s employees to help with preparations for the Brazil trip and the new apartment move and Arvizo children being checked into a new school district.

After the child services interview, Janet Arvizo brought a Jackson employee to meet with Karen Walker of the Los Angeles DCFS. Walker advised the Jackson employee that the Arvizo family are being heckled by the media resulting from the Bashir Documentary and need an apartment suitable for a family as well as the children checked into school. The Brazil trip was disclosed to Walker and the apartment change and school district check-in would be made when on vacation in Brazil.

The family planned a trip to Brazil. These plans play a role in the allegations and more specifically the conspiracy charge with the unindicted co-conspirators. Janet and the Arvizo family wanted to go to Brazil with Michael Jackson on vacation. After all of the preparations were made for the Brazil trip and the new apartment move, Janet decided to call off the Brazil trip and it was immediately called off. According to witnesses, the Jackson camp told the family that there were death threats related to the airing against the family. The Arvizos claim that Jackson planned to trap the family in Brazil to keep them from making allegations. However, the defense asked why Jackson would buy the family a two-way ticket to and from Brazil if his plans were to “trap” the family in another country.

The children went back to Jackson’s Neverland ranch, and a day later, their mother came as well after making preparations for the trip to Brazil, although, she says, she did not really want to go. From February 25 to March 2, the family and some of Jackson’s staff stayed in a hotel in Calabasas, California, and they went shopping in preparation for the trip to Brazil. After that, they stayed at Neverland again. On March 10, the mother and the accuser went from Neverland to Kaiser Permanente Hospital with a urine sample of the accuser, Gavin, for a scheduled medical check-up. On the way to the hospital, Janet spilled the urine sample on the passenger side car floor. When asked by the Jackson employee what happened, Janet said that she spilled the urine accidentally. At the hospital, Gavin received numerous tests for his kidney including a dye test. The urine sample was not enough for one of the tests and it came back inconclusive. Afterward the accuser went back to Neverland, while the mother went to stay with her fiance. It would be their last stay at the Neverland ranch. Apparently, the accuser was very angry with his mother that she would not allow him to return to Neverland.
[edit] Mother of accuser seeks legal advice

Janet approached Larry Feldman, the attorney who represented Jordan Chandler (first accuser) in 1993.[6] This made some believe she was intent on getting money because she went to an attorney before the police. The child psychologist Stan Katz told Santa Barbara sheriff’s investigator Paul Zelis that “Mr. Feldman actually referred these kids to me. Because they had come to him in this lawsuit.”[8] Other people believe that she sought legal advice because she was afraid that she could be charged with child endangerment when the abuse accusations surfaced. It would have been difficult for Janet – or any other parent – to explain why they allowed their sons to sleep in the same room with a middle-aged man. It was also the same attorney who helped get an out-of-court settlement for Jordan Chandler for a reported $20 million. Feldman then sent the family to a psychologist, Dr. Stan Katz, who was the same psychologist that assisted the first accuser’s family to uncover whether there might have been sexual abuse. The accuser’s brother told him that he had witnessed Jackson touching his brother. Katz reported this to the authorities, as is compulsory for someone of his profession in such a case, being a “mandatory reporter of child abuse”. He later said in his opinion Jackson was not a pedophile but a regressed 10 year old.[8] Feldman and Katz were later focused on by the defense, stating that the mother (Janet) went to the same people that triggered the first investigation on Jackson back in 1993.
[edit] Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department investigation

In June 2003, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department started an investigation. In July 2003 they first interviewed the family. On November 18, 2003, a team of more than 70 investigators from the Santa Barbara County District Attorney’s Office and Sheriff’s Department executed a search warrant upon Jackson’s Neverland Ranch. These actions were criticized because more law enforcement personnel ‘raided’ Neverland Ranch than for any murderer or serial killer in American history.[6] The district attorney opened a website for an ‘open casting call’ for anyone who has been molested by Michael Jackson and/or who has any information against Jackson.[9]
[edit] Arvizo family

Jackson’s attorney alleged that the charges were made in retaliation by the family after the family members realized that Jackson was not going to continue supporting them financially indefinitely.[10] The family was portrayed during trial as exhibiting a long history of attempting to extort celebrities.[11]
[edit] J.C. Penney: alleged assault, litigation and psychiatric analysis

In August 1998, the Arvizo family was detained on a shoplifting charge at a J.C. Penney department store in West Covina, California. According to J.C. Penney, Gavin and Star Arvizo were sent out of the store by their father with an armload of stolen clothes, the family was detained and Janet started a “scuffle” with the security guards. The shoplifting charge was dropped, but Janet filed a lawsuit for US $152,000.00, saying that when she was detained she was “viciously beaten” by three security officers, one of whom was female.[6] The psychiatrist hired by J.C. Penney to evaluate Janet Arvizo found her to have rehearsed her children into supporting her story and to be both “delusional” and “depressed,” although Janet’s own doctor found her to be only the latter.[6] More than two years after the original alleged incident, Janet added a further charge that one of the male officers had “sexually fondled” her breasts and pelvis area for “up to seven minutes”.[6] Ultimately the department store settled out of court with the family for US $75,000.00.[6]
[edit] Gavin Arvizo

Gavin Arvizo was born in December 1989. He was 13 years old between February 20 and March 12, 2003, when the alleged crimes were said to have been committed, two weeks after Bashir’s documentary aired in the US. In 2000, the accuser was diagnosed with cancer and had his spleen and a kidney removed. Jackson organized a blood drive and accommodated transport for his chemotherapy treatment.[6] Soon thereafter, Jamie Masada,[12] the owner of a comedy club called Laugh Factory, fulfilled his wish to meet Jackson, and the boy visited Neverland eight times, where in two occasions he and his family met Michael Jackson as on the other six times Jackson was not home or not available. In 2001, there were no visits but he and Jackson had 20 or so telephone conversations regarding his recovery as the cancer had remissed. In 2002, the documentary Living With Michael Jackson was filmed, and aired February 6, 2003. Until February 2005, the accuser was officially anonymized as “John Doe” by the court and the media, although his full name was already available all over the Internet.[13]
[edit] Father of Gavin Arvizo

Gavin’s father, David Arvizo, visited Neverland several times in 2000, sometimes with the whole family, other times with just the children. After 2000, the accuser’s parents were divorced, and his mother had custody over him and his older sister and younger brother. In 2002 David Arvizo pleaded no contest to spousal abuse and in 2003 pleaded no contest to child cruelty.[6] After having completed classes in parenting and anger management, David Arvizo applied to have a three-year restraining order against him temporarily lifted, to allow him to see his three children.[6] He claimed he wanted to see for himself how his son’s health was, and hoped to find out whether the boy and Jackson had sexual contact. He blamed his ex-wife for allowing the boy to sleep in the same room with Jackson, and also claimed that she had been in a mental hospital. As of late 2004, David insisted: “My children are routinely rehearsed by their mother Janet to do or say whatever she wishes.”[6]
[edit] Mother of Gavin Arvizo

When the Arvizo family and Jackson were on good terms, Janet Arvizo encouraged all the children to call Jackson “Daddy,” even though he had three children of his own.[6] The accuser’s mother, Janet, has been identified as the most problematic of the prosecution witnesses. Before the trial, she had committed welfare fraud. Her behavior of snapping her fingers and staring at the jurors was criticized by jurors after the trial.[14] There were often instances when the court erupted in laughter over her answers.[15] She claimed that she and her family were held against their will at Neverland Ranch. Despite the claim, during their supposed days of captivity, she and her family had gone out to shop at the local Toys R Us, visited the beauty parlor, had braces removed at the dentist, and had gotten visa forms for a trip to Brazil in downtown Los Angeles. Domestic staff testified that the idea that the family were prisoners of Neverland was ludicrous, as there is no fence surrounding the property and opposite the busy main road were two schools. In fact, the housekeeper testified that the Arvizo family enjoyed their stay at Neverland, often at the expense of the host. She insisted that Jackson’s associates wanted to keep them there because of the negative impact of Bashir’s documentary on Jackson’s image, and, due to damage control, that they were forced to stay to film a rebuttal documentary. Her plan to escape Neverland by hot air balloon was met with widespread laughter in the courtroom. She was often unresponsive to questioning, even by the prosecution. She seemed to argue defensively over seemingly small issues, such as whether she had a body wax or only a leg wax. She even accused the defense of altering a receipt for the body wax. Questions were often answered with speeches or catch-phrases, rather than answers. She made repeated use of a few catch phrases, such as “It’s burned inside my memory”, “Money doesn’t buy happiness”,[15] and testified to the sheriff that Jackson wanted to kidnap her and the family with a “hot air balloon”.[16] Janet Arvizo was convicted for welfare fraud in February 2006. She had to serve 150 hours of community service and to pay US $8,600 in restitution.[17]
[edit] Arrest and investigation
[edit] Warrant and arrest

Along with the warrant to search the premises was a warrant for the arrest of Jackson. Jackson was in Las Vegas, Nevada at the time recording a music video for his most recent hit single “One More Chance” from his Number Ones greatest hits album, which had been released at midnight, just hours before the warrants were issued and the allegations broke to the media. On November 20, Jackson flew in a leased jet to Santa Barbara Municipal Airport and surrendered himself to California police. Driven by police to the Santa Barbara County Jail, he emerged from the police vehicle in handcuffs. Many lawyers and Jackson supporters saw it as a police and media attempt to convince the public of Jackson’s guilt, while some saw a racial element to the police’s actions.[6][18][19] He was charged with “lewd or lascivious acts” with a child younger than 14 under section 288(a) of the California Penal Code.

Jackson posted $3 million bail, later requesting a reduction of that amount. The prosecution opposed this as they argued that Jackson might consider going to live in another country as a fugitive, citing Andrew Luster as an example: he fled to Mexico, notwithstanding his $1 million bail bond. Many argued that Jackson had good reason to be angered at the high level of bail as Phil Spector only had to pay $1 million in his murder trial; the high amount was seen as racist by some.[19] The bail was later ordered returned by the judge after Jackson’s acquittal.[20]

The Judge was Rodney Melville, 62. Jackson’s lawyers included Mark Geragos, until Jackson replaced his team with Thomas Mesereau Jr., who briefly represented actor Robert Blake. Jackson had been temporarily exempted from the requirement to stay in the US, for a possible trip to Britain ending no later than January 6, but he did not use this exemption. Shortly after being arrested, Jackson was required to surrender his passport to Santa Barbara authorities. At the time of his booking, his weight was measured at 56 kilograms (120 lb), a notably low weight for a 1.8 metre (5 ft11 in) middle-aged man. A series of public vigils to protest his innocence, organized by fans, were held on November 23.

On November 25, 2003, it was revealed that unknown to Jackson, the private jet that was chartered to take him and his attorney from Vegas to California was secretly wired with recording devices. A third party took recordings on this trip and attempted to sell them to major television and radio networks for an large amount of money; all declined to purchase. A restraining order against the jet company has been issued prohibiting the videotape from being shown to any third parties; a lawsuit demanding $500,000,000 was filed by Jackson’s party against the perpetrators.[citation needed] On November 26, 2003, it was revealed that XtraJet, the company that found the recordings and hidden cameras on Jackson’s plane, on Monday, showed the video to several news organizations on November 24. Fox News Channel reported that the tape shows Jackson calm and relaxed on the plane.[21] Jackson’s legal team (at that point) were awarded $18 million in damages in 2008.[22]
[edit] Jackson complains against the police

During a 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley, Jackson claimed that he was manhandled by police during his booking. Among other things, he claimed that his shoulder was dislocated, that he was locked in a dirty bathroom for “over 45 minutes”. He also showed the camera clearly visible large bruises on his arm which he said was a result of tight handcuffs. He did not formally file his complaints.

The Santa Barbara County sheriff released video tape showing Jackson’s arrest. They also released audio tape of his ride into the police station. In it Jackson complains about the handcuffs and is politely told by an officer how he can relieve the discomfort. He is heard to be whistling and he asks for the air conditioning to be turned on; it is. Police allege this proves Jackson’s claims are false, Jackson (and his family) claim that what is being shown is only a biased view of what occurred. California State Attorney General Bill Lockyer ordered an independent investigation into Jackson’s complaints. After interviewing 163 witnesses, the complaints were rejected in August 2004.
[edit] Charging

On December 18, 2003, Jackson was charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent, in order to commit that felony, in February and March 2003, all regarding the same boy under 14. The felony complaint stated that Jackson had, on seven occasions, “willfully, unlawfully and lewdly committed a lewd and lascivious act upon, and with, the boy’s body and certain parts and members thereof, with the intent of arousing, appealing to and gratifying the lust, passions and sexual desires” of Jackson and the boy and that this sexual conduct had been “substantial.” Also that, on two of these occasions, Jackson had administered to the boy an intoxicating agent with intent thereby to enable and assist himself to carry out the previously mentioned act. Jackson denied these allegations and said that the sleepovers were non-sexual. He still described the boy on whose statements the accusations were based as “a sweet child”; he said the boy was manipulated by greedy parents.

At the prosecution’s request the judge issued a gag order which forbade the following parties to talk to the news media; the defendant, the prosecutor, defense counsel, any attorney working in their offices, their agents, staff, experts, any judicial officer or court employee, any law enforcement employee and any agency involved in the case and any persons subpoenaed or expected to testify. The purpose was that people among whom a jury had to be selected were not influenced. However, he would consider proposals to allow either side to answer reporters’ questions about rumors surrounding the case.
[edit] Arraignment

Jackson was arraigned on January 16, 2004, at the court in Santa Maria. He was admonished by the judge for turning up 20 minutes late. Jackson was represented by attoney Mark Geragos and Steve Cochran of Los Angeles, Ben Brafman of New York and Robert Sanger of Santa Barbara. He entered a plea of “Not Guilty.” Hundreds of fans and an international media circus surrounded the event, and Jackson responded with a dance atop a parked SUV. Subsequently, police decided to enforce more order from the public for safety reasons. Judge Melville turned down a media request for publication of 82 pages of documents and related tape recordings on the grounds of violation of the parties’ privacy rights and complicating the process of selecting an unbiased jury. It concerned the boy’s accounts of what allegedly happened, interviews with his family, statements made during the child’s psychological counseling and information about the Chandler’s case.
[edit] Court sessions

In a court session on February 13, 2004, it was revealed that the defense had just received 400 pages of evidence from the lead prosecutor and that hundreds more were expected. The judge said he wanted the trial to begin before the end of 2004. Both sides agreed that was possible. Jackson was not present. He was also not at sessions where only prosecution witnesses were required to testify, to determine whether there was enough evidence to start the trial itself. In the court session of April 2, 2004, the judge ordered papers to be released from the previous $3 million lawsuit started by the accuser’s family against J.C.Penney department store (see above); Jackson’s defense said they would be used to show Jackson’s innocence. On April 5, 2005, Jackson posted a $3,000,000 bail bond from Plotkin Bail Bonds of Norwalk, California, paying a bond fee of $300,000.[23]
[edit] Grand jury proceedings and indictment

Grand jury proceedings (without defense and without judge) in Santa Barbara, starting in March 2004, led to Jackson’s indictment on April 21, 2004. The grand jury was composed of nineteen jurors; the indictment required the votes of at least twelve jurors. Prosecution witnesses testified without defense cross-examination. The judge ruled that witnesses before the grand jury could talk to defense attorneys about their knowledge of the case as long as the witnesses did not tell what they saw in the grand jury room or what questions they were asked and their answers. Many grand jury witnesses were snuck into the building where the grand jury was meeting, sometimes covered in blankets to hide their identities. In February 2005 The Smoking Gun published the Grand Jury transcripts (1903 pages).[24]

The second arraignment was held on April 30, and was attended by defense counsel Mark Geragos. The new charges, to which Jackson plead “not guilty”, were similar to the earlier ones, allegedly “on or about and between” February 20 and March 12, 2003, but with the addition of conspiracy involving child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion. The first two referred to the allegation that the accuser, although he was free to move within Neverland, was at some stages not allowed to leave the ranch, even when his mother wanted this to occur.

Mark Geragos and Ben Brafman were replaced by onetime Robert Blake defense attorney Thomas Mesereau. Brafman and Geragos learned of their replacement through telephoned press inquiries. Mesereau, as lead counsel, joined Steve Cochran and Robert Sanger on the defense team. Cochran eventually left the team and Mesereau added Brian Oxman, whom he later had ejected from the courtroom during the trial itself.

News organizations’ cases for releasing evidence were heard at a hearing on May 28, 2004. The judge refused to release the full indictment or grand jury testimony. On July 28, 2004, judge Melville granted a delay in the trial. On December 3 and 4, 2004, Neverland was searched again.

Geraldo Rivera, a longtime friend of the Jackson family, explained that Jackson will never have sleepovers with children not related to him again, because he understands that, however innocent his conduct has been, it violates a social norm.
[edit] Alleged co-conspirators

The indictment named five alleged co-conspirators (not indicted themselves):

Frank Tyson (also called Frank Cascio), 23, who was Jackson’s personal assistant, and allegedly threatened the accuser’s younger brother, who was a witness of part of the alleged crimes. Tyson and Jackson were friends since Tyson was a small boy. Tyson’s father was the concierge at a New York hotel where Jackson stayed. After the 1993 allegations, Tyson and his younger brother were seen traveling with Jackson.
Vince Amen (also called Vinnie), 24, who worked for Jackson’s production company and allegedly held the family at Neverland against their will – was acquainted with Jackson through Tyson.
Marc Schaffel – producer of the unreleased song What More Can I Give featuring various celebrities on vocals in an attempt to raise funds for disaster relief following the September 11 attacks. His house was searched by the police in 2004.
Dieter Wiesner
Ronald Konitzer

[edit] The trial
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The jury selection for the trial started on January 31, 2005, and lasted less than a month. Twelve of 200 people were selected for the trial. These 12 jurors were eight women and four men, with eight alternate jurors, consisting of four men and four women. There were no African American jurors in the final jury, though one African American was among the alternate jurors.

Mesereau and Sanger were trial counsel and handled the witnesses in the trial. Susan Yu and Brian Oxman, until his removal from the courtroom by Mesereau, were present but did not have speaking roles. There were 91 prosecution and 50 defense witnesses, although fewer than planned. Judge Melville allowed Jay Leno, defense witness, to continue making jokes about Jackson and the case as long as they were not related to an incident about which he would act as a witness in the trial.

Outside the courtroom, there were 2,200 reporters covering the trial, more than the O.J Simpson and Scott Peterson trial combined.[25] Because no television cameras were allowed inside the courtroom, E! and British Sky Broadcasting broadcast a re-enactment of the trial. It aired Monday through Friday at 7:30 and 9:00 pm.

Bashir refused to answer any question regarding unpublished footage of his documentary, or anything about how it was prepared and produced. This refusal was based on the California Constitution’s journalist shield law and the First Amendment privilege for journalists. Judge Melville decided that the defense could submit a motivated request to Melville to have Bashir return to testify more, against which Bashir could file opposition. Also Melville agreed that before possibly charging Bashir with contempt of court for refusing to answer, Bashir would be heard.

On March 10, 2005, the judge was about to issue an arrest warrant and forfeiture of the bail, when Jackson was an hour late for the trial (see also WikiNews).

The accuser’s brother, Star Arviso, testified that on two occasions, from hiding and over the course of a few seconds, he had seen Jackson have outercourse with the sleeping accuser. This accounted for counts 4 and 5. Details of the sexual act on the second occasion contradict what the accuser’s brother told psychologist Katz, according to Katz’ testimony before the Grand Jury. He explained this by saying that there were actually three occasions. What made his testimony weak was that the accuser’s brother admitted in court, that he walked in on Jackson performing the alleged molestation on his brother unnoticed, even while tripping the alarm system in the hallway leading to Jackson’s bedroom. He was the only witness to the alleged molestation, and that on both occasions the alarm to the bedroom went off and Jackson apparently had not heard it. It was pointed out by the defense, that what the accuser’s brother said in court neither matched his words during an interview with the psychologist Stanley Katz nor his statement given in police interviews in 2003: Star Arvizo said in an interview with the psychologist Stanley Katz on May 29, 2003, he witnessed how Jackson placed his hand on his brother’s crotch, above his clothes. On July 7, 2003, during his first interview with sheriff’s investigators, Star’s story changed. He claimed during the first alleged incident Jackson placed his left hand under the front of his brother’s pajama pants. Star Arvizo changed his account a third time in a police interview on August 13, 2003, when he claimed Jackson had placed his hand inside the front of his brother’s boxer short.[26][27]

However, Jackson staff members gave evidence that the boys had been caught in Jackson’s bedroom on their own and going through his things. The housekeeper Kiki Fournier testified that the guest quarters that were assigned to the boys were trashed by them and at one point the accuser’s brother pointed a knife at her in Jackson’s kitchen.[28]

During the alleged sexual incidents, Jackson wore underpants, and the accuser wore underpants or pajamas, and according to the accuser they were under the covers. However, according to his brother they were on top of the bed covers. On one brief occasion the accuser and his brother claimed they saw Jackson naked, but both boys described the incident differently. According to Star, Jackson came from the bathroom with an erection, but according to the accuser, Jackson only came up the stairs from the bathroom to the bedroom while unclothed, retrieved something and went downstairs. Despite being prompted by the prosecutor, the boy denied Jackson was in an aroused state, contradicting his brother. Apart from inconsistent details between the two brother’s testimonies, the times and dates of when the alleged acts took place were not confirmed by either boys.

After leaving Neverland, the accuser told his school administrator that Jackson had not molested him. During the trial, he claimed that this was a lie as he was teased after Living with Michael Jackson aired and reasoned that he didn’t want them to think anything really happened.¨´ What really happened, according to the accuser, is as follows: On one occasion, while both were undercovers in bed Jackson manipulated the accuser’s genitals for about five minutes, causing the accuser to ejaculate (count 2). The next day Jackson started it again (count 3) and also tried to guide the accuser’s hand to Jackson’s genitals, but the accuser pulled away (count 6). The accuser said that he was happy at Neverland, and that only after leaving did he realize he didn’t want to be there anymore.[citation needed]

Witness George Lopez, who has been a friend of the accuser’s family, gave the family money, but the father kept asking for more. It was alleged by the defense that the family tried to extort money from Lopez, by claiming that Lopez stole $300 from the family. This allegation was used to illustrate a pattern of family behavior. However, the prosecution says these problems were caused by the father, before the divorce.[citation needed]

House manager Jesus Salas testified that the accuser’s mother was at no time held at Neverland against her will and that she had never complained of her children being taken advantage of at Neverland. The accuser’s mother, Janet Arvizo, took the Fifth regarding welfare fraud she has committed. For that reason the defense asked Melville not to allow her as a witness at all, but Melville ruled that she could testify without being questioned about the fraud. The defense would later have the opportunity to present other evidence for the welfare fraud. This is relevant for the credibility of the witness. She admitted that she had lied under oath in an unrelated court case.[citation needed]

In May 2005, the witnesses for the defense testified. Closing arguments of both sides were presented, Ron Zonen for the prosecution and Tom Mesereau for the defense, in the beginning of June. The jury reached a verdict of not guilty on all counts and all lesser offenses for those counts, announced at 2:13 pm PDT (21:13 UTC), June 13, 2005.
[edit] Prosecution witnesses’ credibility

There is question not only of the credibility of the main accuser, the mother, but also of the many witnesses called to testify in the trial. Prosecution witness Chris Carter, who had been Jackson’s bodyguard from August 2002 – August 2003, was arrested in Las Vegas on February 19, 2005, after police searched his mother’s house and found a handgun, and had been accused of robbing a RadioShack in October 2003, Subway sandwich shop in August 2004, a KB Toys store in January 2005, and a Jack in the Box restaurant in February 2005.

Another witness, a former maid in Neverland, was convicted of stealing a sketch of Elvis Presley made by Jackson. A housekeeper whose son claims he was molested once sold stories about Jackson to Hard Copy, and a chef was found to be the host of a porn site called Virtual Sin.[29]
[edit] Jackson’s finances

The prosecution sought to have Jackson’s financial records exposed in the trial. They claimed that Jackson was a “spendaholic” who was, from 1999 to 2001, spending $35 million a year while earning $11 million to $12 million a year, and as a result was on the brink of bankruptcy. They argued that this could have been a motive for Jackson to resort to the alleged conspiracy to control the public relations damage of the Bashir documentary, and thus control the resulting financial damage. Jackson’s defense questioned the valuations of Jackson’s estate by prosecution experts, citing that their appraisals were conducted on a “when bought” basis and did not include investments in those assets or an “actual market” value. The judge ruled that the prosecution could subpoena the financial records, but that they would only be opened in the trial after he heard testimony that they are relevant. Despite these allegations, according to Forbes, Jackson was still making as much as $75 million a year from his publishing partnership with Sony.[30]
[edit] Allegations of media bias against Jackson

MTV has stated that Jackson had to endure “media attacks” throughout his trial.[31] Jane Velez-Mitchell’s journalistic integrity was criticized by American Chronicle several years after the trial, who felt she had an anti-Jackson bias.[32] Maureen Orth, writing for Vanity Fair, produced a series of articles between 1993 and 2005, all attacking Jackson and culminating in a vituperative interpretation of events at the trial of 2005. After Michael Jackson’s death, Ms. Orth defended her position in Vanity Fair.[33]
[edit] Court dates

2005:[34]

January 31 – Jury selection begins.
February 24 – Jurors and alternates seated.
February 28, March 1 – Opening statements begin.
March 1 – Prosecution testimony begins.
May 4 – Prosecution rests.
May 5 – Defense testimony begins.
May 25 – Defense rests/prosecution rebuttal begins.
May 27 – Prosecution rebuttal ends/defense offers no rebuttal.
June 1 – Jury gets instructions.
June 2, June 3 – Closing arguments.
June 13 – Verdict delivered.

As of April 15, 2005, all weekdays from February 28, 2005 were court days, except:

March 31– César Chávez Day (holiday)
April 6 – funeral of Johnnie Cochran
May 30 – Memorial Day

A few court days were without jury and without Jackson. On these days motions were discussed and ruled about. These were on March 11 and 18, and the first part of March 28.

There were also several days in which Michael Jackson was unable to attend. These are:

February 15 – Questioning of potential jurors was postponed until February 22, after Jackson was hospitalized with flu like symptoms.
March 21 – Court was delayed for 45 minutes, after Jackson showed up late again complaining of back trouble. After meeting with attorneys and the doctor, Melville resumed the court into session without threatening to revoke Jackson’s bail.

[edit] Verdict

At approximately 2:25pm PDT (21:25 UTC) on June 13, 2005 the jury of the Superior Court of the State of California, held in and for the County of Santa Barbara, determined that Jackson was not guilty of all of the charges with which he had been accused.

Is this some sort of prank?

Oh man…you guys got me…but now it makes sense. I mean…no one could be THAT stupid and wrong ALL the time…I should’ve known. “Betelgeuse”. Ha ha, good one guys.

Great. Another “musician”?

I don’t think so, no. It’s all about opinion, what he’s essentially saying is that he doesn’t like the music.

Hmm…I’m a musician, and I don’t record digitally. If you can’t do it on tape, then go blow a winds of plague goat.

Between the Buried and Me is “Metal by mouse click”. Plain and simple. It’s sounds like it’s been pieced together in a recording program because it HAS been pieced together in a recording program.
That’s what gets me about shit bands like this. If your going to make a “collage” in the computer, why not be creative about it? Throw in a little ear candy for everyone who’s not an idiot and knows what your doing? This shit’s just as uncreative and lazy as anything I’ve ever run across.

Seriously, you have NO idea about the way things work in a recording studio. THERE IS NO PIECE OF MUSIC that has been recorded in a studio (and commercially released) past the year 1992 probably where there haven’t been edits, inserts, etc. all the fuck over the track. So what if you want to make your shit sound good in the studio, what the hell is wrong with that? Also, they can play everything fine live so I don’t know what your deal is and where your animosity towards this band comes from.

Hey, I can’t help the fact you guys don’t know anything. That’s on you, not me.

No,im a musician and ive recorded and im aware of the process that goes into it, if ur saying the band should just record the whole album in a single take like a jam band than thats your opinion, but when ur putting together precise pieces with diverse tones, then of course your gonna put it together in different parts, it’s not a big deal because they pull off their songs seamlessy in live shows, but it probably wont matter to you since youve been trollin this page like a bitch since the stream started

who fuckin cares how they make the music? I still think the end result sounds god.

i meant to say good not god and Betelgeuse when you say sounds about right i’m not sure what you’re implying

I meant to say “someone learning to play it after the fact”.

Reign in Blood sucks and Slayer is overrated is shit. Seriously some of the worst metal I’ve ever listened to. God, it’s just unlistenable. And, yeah, I get the nostalgia factor for some people. One of the first albums that got you into metal, and blah blah blah. There’s just so much out there now that is FAR AND AWAY better than Reign in Blood, like this, what’s the point of even listening to that dreck anymore?

I didn’t “criticize this band because they use protools”. I criticized the band for the WAY they use Pro Tools. As far as whatever else you said………I’m not reading all that shit. Sorry.

Your a fucking idiot. Go wast your time on that.

I said: “they are talented musicians”. Betelgeuse wrote: “what amazing musicianship? Like I said; ProToolscore”. We are not even like-minded and you are claiming we are the same person?

Michron is weak minded. This is how the weak mined think. They try to remove all complexity so things appear to be just black and white. It’s very “child like” and sad.
And the same could be said for most of the people posting on this site. Everyone’s looking for a “bandwagon” to jump onto. That’s the only way to really explain all this worship for BTBAM. Which if your not thirteen, there’s no excuse for. Between the Buried and Me are pure boring shit. Enjoy your love for this band while it lasts. People used to love Limp Bizkit too.

Yeah! Wasted their time!

“They recorded this with David Gotrill”. You ARE trying to defend the band, right?

:-0

You should feel bad…….with all that shit in your pants.

Really, shit pants? You don’t say…….

That’s the same thing your sister said, shit pants!

Shit pants, you do realize that I’ve COMPLETELY DESTROYED you here, right? C’mon……girl you know it’s truuuuue…..

I’m sooooo loving this! I slapped that dick right out of your mouth! You really should be thanking me!

I’m immortal. I TOATALLY fucked RoflmyWofls dead mother. I can do this FOREVER.

Why are you asking me? You’re the one who who just got taken to school, shit pants!

I like how I’ve got you answering to “shit pants” now! Bow down, turd!

Is that the way people react when you try to play off shitting your pants as “performance art”? Dude, you’re TOTALLY like GG Allin now! Except no ones afraid of you. At least not me anyway.

Continue to bow, shit pants. I’m into this.

Now you’re quoting your boyfriend about your performance in bed?!? Now THAT’S embarrassing!

DAMN, SHIT PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still quoting your boyfriend? Nasty!

And why do you keep “yawning”? I’m guessing draining your boyfriends nuts make you sleepy or something?

“Just stop already. I’m tired of it”? That boyfriend shit, still?!?

C’MON SHIT PANTS!!!!! DON”T CRY!!!!!!

Awwww poor widdle shit pants! BOO HOO HOO!!!! I’m picking on hims!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU, LITTLE BITCH.

You don’t HAVE to reply. You want me to leave you alone? BOW OUT.

Go enjoy your your shitty ProToolscore band. NO ONES STOPPING YOU.

YOU WILL BOW OUT BECAUSE I WILL NEVER STOP.

Nah, fuck you. I’m 100% right, you piece of shit. Have been the whole time. BTBAM are “metal by mouseclick”. Prove me wrong.

You will get tired and stop.

Bend to my will, shit pants.

Or cry some more, I like that too!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
WAA*
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Who do you think you’re kidding? No ones BULLYING or TORMENTING you, asshole. BOW OUT. DON’T REPLY.

I SEE WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO DO!
IT WON’T WORK!
I’M SMARTER THAN YOU, SHIT PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this how BTBAM fans act in the face of a “challenge”? When the criticism gets hard to endure they roll over and cry like bitches, hoping the site administrators will come kick me off like the “big bad wolf”. Fuck you, pussies.

You’d better hope they do. That’s the only way you’ll get the last word. I PROMISE.

dude get a life.

and your obviously stupid enough to jump to the conclusion that I’m a BTBAM fan.

first of all, i DON’T agree with you, that is what you would call a false dichotomy. Second, i was simply pointing out that your a douche bag. our opinions on the subject have no bearing on that fact. even if we did agree on the subject i try to be decent enough to post my opinion without attempting to create conflict. you on the other hand create conflict for the fun of it, and it looks like that last post was sent at like 3 in the morning. anyone that stays up until 3 in the morning just to disagree with people has some problems. THAT is why you have no life. Also I didn’t see any attempt at argument in my last post. sorry about the long explanation.

it actually took about five minutes. not sure why you don’t want to read my last post. well… that’s a lie. we both know EXACTLY why your not reading it. fair enough. at this point I’m done with you anyway. I thought you would have something interesting to say, but I was wrong. I’ll keep reading your posts, and if you say something interesting I’ll consider responding. do what you want.

Betelgeuse I must say that although your opinions are retarded at best this whole argument is still highly entertaining to read.

After reading the ENTIRE comment stream, I’ve got a few questions for you, “Betelgeuse”

What kind of music do you actually listen to?
-Recommend a few albums/artists

I didn’t post to argue anything, I’m really just curious why you spent so much time arguing the same point with various BTBAM fans?
-You should know now that any valid point you might make will only be considered to a certain extent by them; beyond that they’d think themselves disloyal to the band for agreeing with any of your “slander” and “blasphemy”.

Finally, are you a member of BTBAM?
-I wouldn’t be surprised unless you claimed that you were Tommy Rogers.

To everyone else: I got some good laughs out of all the arguments, but be careful, fanboys your age could have an aneurysm from all that stress.

I remember your mom. From last night.

My mom is Jesus? Or did you raise her from the dead? If so thank you so much. If you can raise people from the dead then you must be able to do anything else, with that said, for the rest of my life I’m going to base my opinion on what you think and no one else. I mean you must be right about everything seeing how you can bring people back to life. So instead of having my own “original” thoughts, I’m going to conform to the way you think, and in this case you want me to have the same “original” idea that you have about music needing to be “original”.

But wait, then our thoughts would be the same, making them not original. Which would mean you couldn’t have brought my mother back to life. No, infact, it probably makes you’re the one that killed her in that car accident 3 years ago.

I can’t believe I ever considered to live my life and believe everything the way you want me to when you’re the one who murdered my mother to begin with you bastard.

(everything I just wrote was more logical than any “original” thought you’ve ever had betelgeuse”

But the guy killed my mom had his penis ripped off by his car door, so I don’t know how you would have fucked my dead mother’s ashes

“The guy who killed my mom had his penis ripped off by his car door, so I don’t know how you would have fucked my dead mother’s ashes.”

That’s an AWESOME reply! I’m being completely serious! I’m going to try to keep this going…..

Yeah, duh. I fucked your moms ash ghost with my ghost cock. Don’t you know how spectral fucking works?

But spectre sex only works if the person who died was a virgin, that means you penis never got any while it’s alive… so we have 2 options here

1. you’re lying about having sex with my mother completely

2. My mother was a virgin, thus making me Jesus

also, If I’m Jesus then my opinion is 100% correct, and I say that that BTBAM is amazing, the only better artist is Rebecca black who put her parents last $2000 into a recording session with Ark Music. Now that takes passion and commitment

except last time I checked (bout 2 mins ago), I have a physical penis, so that can’t be an option, also if we were the same person as well as our own father, there would have to be time travel involved, and if you say you believe that 88 mph bull shit then gtfo.

anyways, no matter how you try to spin this I will win, because I still have a penis, and it has been inside a woman, it’s to bad you never got to use your’s, sex is really fun.

Except I have the balls in this one person relationship, and I’m not gonna listen to some big ass nebula with no life. My opinion is better than your’s. You need to realize that you’re a shoulder and no one cares about you… oh, and you’re poor

Hey, guess what? I’m annoying you? I actually LIKE annoying you! That’s what I’m here for!

I’m “desperate for attention”? Who’s the one giving it to me?

You seem really stupid.

You “won’t clog up the comments anymore by responding after this”?
I’ll be waiting for your reply, as you idiotic BTBAM fans can’t seem to stop yourselves…….

Another poor little BTBAM fan crying about something?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Yeah, your right. BTBAM will keep producing various colored turds. I never said they wouldn’t.

I won. You lost.

U MAD?!?

You’re not upset? Thou dost protest too much! You sure seem to reply a lot for someone who “could care less about my opinion”.

The reason you “care” is because you know I’m right about your shit band. Otherwise you’d truly wouldn’t care, and would ignore me. The truth is you know my opinion is superior to yours and 100% valid. So did everybody else here. You’ve failed as fans to stick it out for your band. You lost because you all gave up. You’re fucking losers. And your band sucks cock. Just like I said.

Who here is the “fool” again?

HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAA!!!!!!

You couldn’t stop yourself, huh?!? How butt hurt are you right now? Or should I say, “how much do you still care about my opinion”?

This is also obviously NOT an “act”. THAT should be very apparent by now. I’ve talked down EVERY last one of you turds. You all fucking WISH I wasn’t for real. Then there might be a sliver of a chance you might not be WRONG as fuck about this band.

And what the fuck do you know about “real life”? You’re here spending your time replying to my “jealous, insecure, sad, confused, lonely, scared” opinion, aren’t you? Talk about fucking juvenile! You’d know.

You NEED to pray for a set of balls instead. Being a BTBAM fan, YOU’D be the STRAIGHT UP FUCKING expert on “crying yourself to sleep”, especially considering all the crying you’ve done here.

” WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! ”
” WAA* ”
” WAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! ”

Yep, just like that.

I KNEW YOU COULDN’T RESIST!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHO’S THE FOOL!?!?!?!?!?

HAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAA!!!!!

HAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA HAAAAA!!!!!!!

HAAAAAAA HAAA HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

I just got bored with you. You made my woody droop. I hope you’re happy.

No, I mean really happy. Like har har har…..hee hee hee.

Heyyyyyyyyy, wait a minute……

Who’s that………

Or is that “woody’s”?