PSSSTTTT…IN CASE YOU FORGOT, DAVE MUSTAINE INVENTED THRASH
Tuesday, November 25th, 2008 at 2:18pm by Corey MitchellBe sure to check out the brilliant documentary Get Thrashed: The History of Thrash Metal, now out on DVD. The biggest revelation is that, according to Dave Mustaine, Dave Mustaine invented thrash. The below video is his direct transcribed quote starting at 3:33 (half of Satan???):
“The sad thing, and this is really strange, when Kerry [King] was playing with Megadeth I showed him a lot of my style. Kerry’s a good guitar player, for rhythm he’s great. In Metallica, I was the only guitar player and a lot of that rubbed off on James [Hetfield]. And in Megadeth it was all my guitar playing and hired hands who learned what I was doing.
So, out of all of this, and this is totally gonna sound arrogant and I’m sorry but I am just telling you the facts, I’ve affected three bands out of the Big Five.
It would be fun to be able to look at what I did from above and see all of the people I’ve affected.”
Gary Holt of Exodus and Scott Ian of Anthrax agree.
How about you? Is Dave Mustaine the ultimate creator of Thrash Metal? Is he simply one of a select few who helped forge an entire genre of metal? Should he bow down before Motorhead and Venom and beg for forgiveness? Or, is he just an arrogant douchenozzle?
-CM
[Corey Mitchell is also a best-selling author of books and blogs about serial killers, mass murderers, and brutal crimes against humanity. He also loves The Wiggles.]
He’s a brilliant guitar player, a fantastic songwriter, and a pivotal member of the early thrash movement.
So yes, he is an arrogant douchenozzle.
Right on Metalsucks…another attempt at bagging on somebody. It’s what you guys do best.
Mustaine is absolutely one of the creators of Thrash. Love him or hate him, it is a fact that he had a HUGE part in the creation if thrash as we know it.
Damn shame he had burst into tears on camera, though.
Yes he is an arrogant douchenozzle of the highest degree, but you can’t deny that he has earned it. The dude fuckin rips. The fact that you can hear pretty much any riff by him (and he must shit awesome riffs) and immediately recognize it as Mustaine is pretty impressive. But, I’ll leave it to others to argue his influence on thrash because i was barely out of diapers when thrash was starting.
@Jason: Sorry, pal. I think you’re projecting with that one. I am a HUGE Dave Mustaine fan and still believe, as Scott Ian said, without Dave there is no Metallica. Now, as a good reporter, I would be remiss not to mention Dave’s penchant for pomposity and turdness. Hell, it’s why some people won’t listen to Megadeth. I, on the other hand, have always found his cocksuredness to be well-deserved and pretty damn funny.
He looked like a little bitch in Some Kind of Monster…long live Metallica.
My balls most certainly hadn’t dropped by the time all this shit went down. But there really is no denying he played a huge part in thrash metal. As far as INVENTING it.. I don’t know about all that. He’s a hell of a guitar player and songwriter though, and as far as him being a douche.. who cares? There’s quite a few douches in the world, he’s just more honest about it than others.
Did Mustaine definitely have a pivotal part in the creation of thrash metal? Yes. And I’m sure he influenced all those players. Often the people you play with influence your style one way or another. But I honestly think that between Megadeth, Slayer and Metallica you hear different styles of guitar playing. So I don’t think we can say that Mustaine was the sole originator of thrash.
megaderth was the first thrash band i got into and also the first i got out of when i discovered much better bands. none of their shit has aged well at all…
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I’m all for polythistic thrash metal gods, but Dave would be the most powerful of them all!
The man it’s surely full of himself (lately less than in the past tough) but there is no point to deny it’s huge contribution in the borning of the Trash genre. Amazing ear for cool riffing, hands down.
God bless metallica to boot him that day.
yeah that’s right, weak ass shit just one step above bon jovi so go suck a fart out of my ass…
Mustaine is a great guitar player and a thrash pioneer, but the guy can’t say anything about himself without coming off like an asshole.
I’d be pretty fucking full of myself if I was the guy who wrote ‘Peace Sells…’ and ‘Rust In Piece’
Mustain is arrogant. There’s no dispute about that. He’s also a genius. I don’t really agree that without him there’s be no thrash metal but, it defiantly wouldn’t be what it is.
Gnarl his music hasen’t aged well? i think some of it is more meaningful now than ever. Unless you don’t believe that we are now in a “Holy War”, which we are. How about those words “don’t ask what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you” can you say “bailout”?
Look at the two most recent albums by Megadeth and Metallica.
United Abominations – watered down but still a great album.
Death Magnetic – excessively long songs with not much inspiration.
I’ll take a watered down album that’s staying somewhat true to a band’s established sound over the years than an album from a band who, ARGUABLY, sold out and are trying to re-gain what they once had. Besides, Megadeth’s lyrics on United Abominations are still pretty great, where Metallica’s are just so so at best.
Let the hate-fest begin.
“watered down but still a great album”
I’m afraid I can’t agree with that. The World Needs a Hero and The System has Failed were both good, but Mustaine needs input/feedback/something from his other guitar players, and he didn’t seem to get it from Sean Drover on United Abominations (Or Jeff Young on So far, So Good, So What). Since the first week or so, I haven’t listened to it more than a couple of times.
I have high hopes for the new one with Chris Broderick, though.
Hell, yes.. he is THE reason why Metallica has some credit in music… THE Man behind the Thrash… US Thrash
long live this arrogant douchenozzle
(no sarcasm in anything BTW)
Dave Mustaine is an arrogant douchenozzle.
Dave Mustaine is an asshole.
Dave Mustaine is a complete dick.
Dave Mustaine is ONE OF the reasons that Thrash Metal is what it is and that it is, but..
Dave Mustaine is NOT -the- founder of it.
Now only if Dave Mustaine could sing…..
mustaine
was a good guitarist
then sat on his hand or some gay shit, now sloppy
awful, AWFUL lyrist
and everything metallica have done (bar st. anger) kills megadeth dead
or alternatively, testament, and shut up
and does anyone remember venom?
nope?
no thrash pioneers there at all is there?
oh noes
This Documentary is killer, Iv’e watched it 6 times since it came out in September. Dave Mustaine’s arrogance is fucking great, it amuses me, the dude can write some great songs though. Holy Shit what scumbag trailer park is Bobby Blitz doing his interview from?
Just out of curiosity…who are the big five? Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer….????
@shreddies: #4 is Anthrax and Dave is probably including Exodus as #5.
Dave is not a good guitar player. But he can hold his head up for being a killer songwriter and riffist for four albums!
i bet no one who replied can even play all the riffs mustaine created.
Metallica died after “…And Justice For All” which was released in 1988. This was their fourth album. In 1988 Megadeth had just released their third album “So Far, So Good….So What!”. “Rust In Peace”, Megadeth’s agureably best record, was released in 1990. Metallica released “The Black Album” in 1990. Enough Said. “Countdown To Extinction”, another Megadeth and thrash metal great, was realeased in 1992. “St. Anger”, Metallica’s agureably worst record was released in 2003. In the next three years Megadeth released three of the greatest thrash records released in 10 years, at the time. Yes I did my research and you want to know why? Because Metallica sucks Dave Mustaine’s Big, Hairy, Thrash Metal Creating, Fire Blowing, King Killing BALLS! Megadeth is the greatest thrash band alive (YES BETTER THAN SLAYER!!!) and Dave Mustaine DID CREATE THRASH METAL!!!!
Megadeth also put out Youthanasia, Cryptic Writings, Risk, and The World Needs a Hero in that order of shittieness. So get off of Dave’s ballsack.
I read the Mustaine quote before I watched the video and thought what an arrogant douchenozzle… then I watched the video. In context it really didn’t come off as that arrogant when 20 of his peers said it before he did. I’d like to hear Hammet’s or King’s thoughts on the subject but it’s too bad we can’t get Chuck Schuldiner’s thoughts.
@ Obin, a bitch. as compared to the actual members of metallica? and gnawhateverthefuckyournameonworldofwarcraftis; What the fuck stands out as good thrash to you little boy? Static-X? Puya? wow maybe that’s a little to old-school for you perchance Job for a Cowboy? yeah cry yourself to sleep in your stained sheets
He doesn’t say he was the inventor in the film does he? I’m sure I would have remembered that bit. Dave is beyond arrogant but he’s not talking silly about affecting three of the big four and in the context of the film (ie Scott Ian saying relatively the same thing directly afterwards) it’s even more of a fair comment.
He’s a 100% right.
A lot of musicians have contributed to the developpment of thrash metal,in many important ways that are undeniable.
But the man who had the most influence on the direct creation of the sub-genre is Dave Mustaine.I have respect for this guy.He sometimes throws some ridiculous,rock star fits,and I’m not saying he’s never wrong about shit,but he’s totally right on this one.
He brought thrash metal to the international metal scene.Fuck the haters.
Corey, what am I “projecting” on? It seems like your post reiterated my point exactly.
Addendum to the above:
Maybe you were referring to the comment I made about Metalsucks? If so, definitely not a projection. A large amount of articles posted here by the Metalsucks guys have a negative slant to them or rip on bands or individuals. I am surprised I need to point that out.
Dudes, I am so happy to see some Mustaine love on this thread. The metal world is pretty well dichotomized under the banners of either Metallica or Megadeth… and I’m proud to say I’m with Megadeth.
Yeah Dave’s a dick, but wouldn’t you be if you invented thrash? Hell I’m already a dick and I haven’t done shit!
I love Megadeth, but i have always been less of a fan cuz dave has ALWAYS pissed me off with his arrogance. Yeah he has earned the right to be an asshole with his genious works, but he is still a fuckin prick. I absolutely think he DID NOT invent thrash. Without bands like diamond head, venom, motorhead…there would have been no metallica and no megadeth.
And thats complete bullshit about him being “the guitar player” in megadeth Marty Friedman played circles around him!!!!
Good old Dave. Funny how his best years are behind him, and the Mustaine nostalgia trip begins. Remember when I was influential? Remember when I wrote great riffs? Boy those were the days. Good times, good times…
Ever heard of Dick Dale or Link Wray? .
They were thrashing before Mustaine was even outta his dads bag.
You “metalheads” sure know fuck all about metal.
Get over yourself Mustaine, your music SUCKS
Rust In Peace is one of the greatest Metal Albums ever! Killing is My Buisness and Peace Sells are also up there. You gotta look at the full body of work. Dave lost it along time ago. He could have carried the torch but he dropped it. He always surrounded himself with excellent talent but eventually fell through on the songwriting. Slayer is the ultimate Thrash band period! Many of the great 80’s thrash bands at least attempted to go back to thier roots (Testament for example. Exodus is still putting out pretty good shit) Megadeth sucks now. They can still turn it around and I hope they will!
@colton:
I might get some shit for saying this, but pre-thrash bands like Venom, Diamondhead, etc, are largely irrelevant, when talking about the formation of thrash.
Additionally, of course Marty Friedman (and frankly every lead guitarist that has ever been in Megadeth) plays circles around him, because THATS THE FUCKING POINT. The whole reason Dave gets those hired guns for Megadeth is because for one, he can’t solo to save his fucking life, and two, without them, Megadeth is missing a major component that every thrash band MUST have, a shredtastic lead player.
Oh and Andy, you must be on more drugs than Scott fucking Weiland if you think Slayer’s new material has topped Megadeth’s.
Venom, Motorhead, Diamond Head, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Mercyful Fate… Thinking Dave Mustaine may have let his success get to his head on this one. I love listening to Megadeth but to say Dave Mustaine solely invented thrash is simply inaccurate.
His playing may have rubbed off on Kerry King and James Hetfield but to even try to take credit for legendary albums such as Slayer’s Reign In Blood and Metallica’s self titled Black Album is just ridiculous. Credit where its due Dave Mustaine played his part but there’s more to Thrash than Dave Mustaine.
I just watched the documentary and no where in it does Dave say he invented Thrash. He says he’s influenced 3 of the major 5 but that’s it. And he did.
To say Slayers new shit is better? I’m sorry but have you heard God Hates Us All? Every fucking song on that sounds the same(besides maybe two songs.) – One of the worst albums ever created, hands down. And I love Slayer.
And as far as I’m concerned Metallica died in ‘91 where as Megadeth produced some kick ass albums after that. Death Magnetic is leaps and bounds better than any Metallica album they’ve made in the past 15 years..but that is NOT saying much.
To the guy who said Thank God for the day Metallica kicked him out…I dunno about that one. If Dave was still in Metallica they would be undeniably the biggest metal band and there would be no stupid arguments.
Yeah Dave’s a bit of an asshole, but so is majority of the human race. Get over it. Without Dave, Metallica would’ve never made it as big as they did.
Long Live Thrash!
i cannot disagree more with people who say Metallica couldn’t have made it this far without Dave Mustaine. hmmmm, let’s see, Dave Mustaine was only in the band for what? 1-2 years and in ONE ALBUM!?!?! how many more AMAZING albums did they produce without him?? (…AJFA, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, Death Magnetic) and on top of the albums, there is the admittance into the national rock and roll hall of fame, the creation of a Metallica Guitar Hero, etc etc etc. Some people think that Dave Mustaine is a God…no, he helped start metallica and got them through their first album, and thats IT. if Dave Mustaine was as good and as influencial as some people say he is/was, then why is Metallica SSSOOOO much more well known and powerful and successful than Megadeth??? I don’t see Megadeth in the R&RHofF….
Look at the songwriting credits. Metallica did *not* do Ride the Lightning without Mustaine.
Besides, all you’re arguing is that Metallica got to be better / more popular than Mustaine. That has nothing to do with who invented the playing styles. All the accounts seem to agree that the rhythm guitar style came from the period where Mustaine and Hetfield were working together. After this long, I doubt either of them even remember who did what.
Mustaine’s solos sound like he’s terrified of breaking a string; I’ve never heard him do a full-step bend, even when it’s clearly called for. In other words he has no balls.
And he’s the worst vocalist since the evolution of the hyoid bone.
He’s written some killer riffs, but his palm-muting is as timid as his string-bending. At least it was in the early days, I don’t know if he finally learned how to choke up on that shit and make it sound chunky. The first album sounded like he literally wasn’t muting the strings AT ALL.
But yeah, he’s a great riff-writer. But that’s all he is. Well, except for a world-class douchenozzle. (First time I’ve heard the “nozzle” variant. I approve.)
Well he did not create anything, thrash is more like an evolution form early great bands like Judas Priest and Black Sabbath.
Dave is a dick, but he did popularized trash, since you cant really invent a genre it more of an evolution, but he is the biggest pioneer of it. And look at the 2009 Megadeth stuff thats coming out, dont tell me Dave cant sing, write or play solos…
wtf? how can you even attempt to compare metallicas black album to any form of thrash? ridiculous.
dave is an amazing guitarist and lyricist, he isnt the best but he is up there. he is a dick, but thats ok.
megadeth at least tried to stay true to their original form but there is no topping the opening riffs of “holy wars”
did he create thrash? no.
did he influence the evolution? hands down yes.
wtf? how can you even attempt to compare metallicas black album to any form of thrash? ridiculous.
dave is an amazing guitarist and lyricist, he isnt the best but he is up there. he is a dick, but thats ok.
megadeth at least tried to stay true to their original form but there is no topping the opening riffs of “holy wars”
did he create thrash? no.
did he influence the evolution? hands down yes.
is this a repost? yes.
deal with it.
Yes, Dave Mustaine might have “invented” thrash metal, but Metallica PERFECTED IT. haha
Metal Church was the first band to make a thrash release and Overkill wrote the first thrash song. Metallica and Megadeth can FOAD. they haven’t been good in years and they continue to ruin their names and the name of thrash by releasing crap album after crap album. That goes for you too Slayer, and Anthrax, bring Belladonna back.
And people who use popularity as a damn indication that a band has talent are stupid. You might as well go listen to the Jonas Brothers or Miley Cyrus… Or Slipknot and Lamb of God. POPULARITY =/= TALENT. Especially when most of the fans are angsty teens who’d jump on any bandwagon if it were popular.
why do people always bring up slipknot? lol i love slipknot. i hated them at first but they grew on me. im not some teen jumping on a bandwagon. i listen to what i want and idgaf if its accepted as “cool” by the rest of the metal community. in my opinion the people who generalize a particular bands fans are the ones riding the bandwagon :)
I really think he is an important part of the thrash movement… but, THE creator? No way. I really actually like Dave a lot, he’s the head of one of my favorite bands of all time, but his problems regarding Metallica and thrash in general (something in which he feels he’s been unfairly overlooked) are beginning to annoy me. I actually saw an interview with him and Lars (following the whole controversy where Lars invited Mustaine to Metallica’s induction into the Hall of Fame) and he said he still thought about the break-up all of the time. COME ON!!! You’re the head of one of the greatest metal bands of all time… let it go. Back on track though, he could have never written South of Heaven or any Slayer track for that matter, he would have never made some of the decisions that Anthrax made and (even though he claims he made a lot of the contributions to it) Master of Puppets wouldn’t have been the same with him. Sorry, Dave… I love you, but quit being such an arrogant douche.
kerry king was in slayer when they put out show no mercy,and that was before megadeth,so id say with or without megadeth,kerry king wouldve played the same shit. dave mustaine is full of himself
all you fuck haters can go eat a bag of dicks. mustaine didnt create thrash but he did influance alot of people go go that extra step. iv seen interviews og king stating mustaine was his biggest influance back then. watch him on rock fugiyama with marty friedman. dave has every right to be a dick hes been around for a long time and he was part of a movement that changed the face of the earth as we know. a big part of it. u cant keep compairing megadeth to metallica cuz if u r a musician u know there is very little simularity there. mustaine has more soul and metallica just has a formula that they have used since mustaine was kicked out. same shit differant name thats metallica and they have been that way forever. just really look and listen to mustaines songs. even risk was a brillant record not deth but who cares its still good sound good beat good tunes. just cuz it doest sound anything like megadeth dont meen shit. so fuck off all u fucking posers that cant stand to admit the truth. MUSTAINE IS GOD deal with it or get the fuck outa here. \m/