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THE ACACIA STRAIN/EMMURE CONFLICT TAKES METAL FEUDING TO HIP-HOP LEVELS

 Monday, September 14th, 2009 at 11:06am by

Frankievincent

As much as I love metal feuds, they usually don’t actually go anywhere. Kerry King and Dave Mustaine can trade barbs in the press all they like, but we all know they’ll never actually get into any kind of altercation; in fact, Slayer and Megadeth just announced another string of Canadian dates together. Metal doesn’t have its own Tupac/Biggie story because rarely do these dudes show any actual desire to hurt one another. And even when they do, it usually goes nowhere (see: Vince Neil versus Axl Rose).

Well, Lambgoat is reporting that The Acacia Strain’s Vincent Bennett and Emmure’s Frankie Palmeri have now crossed that line, apparently beating the shit out of one another at last night’s Emmure gig in Clifton Park.

Here are Lambgoat‘s reports, from various sources:

9/13/2009 8:42 PM
“Vincent from the acacia strain and frankie from emmure just beat each other bloody backstage at northern lights for the hard knock life tour. Vincent seems to be fine while frankie was rushed away by security” – anonymous source

9/13/2009 11:02:07 PM
“Tonight At Northern Lights In Clifton Park NY, Vincent from The Acacia Strain showed up to squash his beef with Frankie from Emmure. Instead of peace ensuing, a fight broke out between the two of them and frankie pulled brass knucks on Vincent. Both held there own and ended up bloody as hell. This was the fight everyones been waiting to happen.” – anonymous source

9/13/2009 11:09 PM
“The internet is abuzz. Did i get beat up? Nope! Did i hang the fuck out? Yes!” – Vincent Bennett, via Twitter

9/13/2009 11:10 PM
“Vincent showed up to an Emmure headline show in Albany tonight at Northern Lights calling out Frankie asking if he had a problem with him and Frankie proceeded to punch him in the face and the two scuffled for a few minutes. Vincent had his glasses busted into his face and after a few minutes the fight was over with Vincent shaking Franks hand not once but twice claiming the beef is over.” – label source

So, basically, we have no idea what actually happened. Everyone (save Bennett) admits that there was a fight, but details are sketchy.

Whatever the case… is it weird that I think this kinda sucks? For me, at least, metal (and hardcore, if you consider TAS or Emmure hardcore) has always provided an outlet for violent and, um, let’s say “socially inappropriate” emotions, so that I won’t get into any actual fights. I’m happy to enjoy the entertainment of two dudes talking some smack on one another, but I’d actually prefer that it remain all talk.

We’ll give you more on the story if we get it. In the meantime, let’s hope this doesn’t end up with any East Coast/West Coast drive-by shenanigans.

-AR

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  • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

    Too bad it didn’t kill the both of them

    • Double D

      HAHAHA!

    • Enjoy Guinness Extra Stout

      No doubt, I say a duel to the death at dawn. With fully automatic weapons.

  • ceth carter

    I wanna know what kind of asshole actually says “pulled brass knucks”. Brass fucking knucks????? I dont care if he did use brass knuckles….using the term “pulled brass knucks” is far more offensive to me than the guy actually using brass knuckles if he really even did that which is highly unlikely since I am sure it would have been much easier for him to use one of those sweet boxing gloves they keep around.

    • http://themetalinquisition.com Sergeant D

      You must not have grown up in the hardcore scene. I was surprised it was just knuckles not a gun.

      • stu1

        I think he’s commenting on the phrase, “pulled brass knucks” not the act of using them.

      • pariah

        you must think emmure is a hardcore band:)

  • Metal Fuckin’ Dave

    Did you guys completely forget about Norway circa the entire first half of the 90′s when composing this story? I’d say that took it far beyond rap music. This is highly entertaining as well.

    • Metal Fuckin’ Dave

      I guess I should specify that I was talking about Norwegian black metal…and not the entire country of Norway breaking into a civil war.

      • http://myspace.com/grobiwunder grobi wunder

        there’s not so many people in norway… i think it was at least a minor local conflict.

    • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

      I was thinking the same thing.

      • troe

        I concur.

        Euronymous, hello?

        • ThisIsNecessary

          So what, a few people got “murdered”, a few churches got burned. This feud has much more interesting details, just look at those gauged ears and silly hats!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Dasher/30826541 Matt Dasher

    Wow, two bands that I don’t give a fuck about. Does it really matter who won if they both fucking suck?

    • Enjoy Guinness Extra Stout

      Only if they beat each other to the point of not being able to perform anymore.

  • RobotScythe

    Hardcore dudes tend to be barely one step up from the mental level of wiggers…knuckle dragging retards. They shoud’ve just pulled guns on each other and done us all a favor.

    • Shinaain

      That “solution,” of course, wouldn’t have done anyone around them a favor. If the dipshit hip-hop and rap feuds have taught us anything, it’s that Darwin’s Law is suspended once angry morons who can’t shoot straight are armed.

      • Canvas Of Flesh

        How the hell are you supposed to shoot straight while holding the gun horizontally? They gotta make sure they be representin.

    • thebenthic

      from what i heard vince from tac actually graduated from college with a degree in semantics, so has to be somewhat intelligent.

  • MightierBlue

    Yes, when one of these knucklehead nation flag wavers shoots the other guy in the brain pan and adorns himself with a necklace made from the other guys skull fragments and then goes off and burns down a church or a post office or something, let me know. Until then…meh.

    • orbital

      except it was actually Mayhem’s singer Dead commiting suicide and his bandmates who found him and made neclaces from his skull. But hey, grunge had that same poster boy too!!!!

  • cookie

    who the fuck carries brass knuckles?

    • http://hookinmouth.net Scott

      the same retarded bands that sell boxing gloves with their band name on them.

      • PD

        1

      • politude

        1

        • anthony

          =2

  • http://dgmetal.org The Daily Grind (RIP)

    That’s a fucking anti-climax.

  • Zoker

    Did Frankie forget his Emmure boxing gloves??

    • d.o.g.o.b.g.y.n.

      Nah. He was just promoting the new Emmure brass knuckles.

      Comiing soon: Emmure athletic cups.

      • Porkspam

        followed soon by Emmure pillows to cry into

  • Gary S.

    My money’s on the white guy.

    • Enjoy Guinness Extra Stout

      Yeah me too.

  • Viking_xxx

    This is exactly what you get when you start mixing rap attitude with metal music. They’re both punks in my opinion.

    • cookie

      yeah, when mayhem did that rap album, they went to shit.

      you… ignorant… fuck

  • PD

    If the dude really used brass knuckles then he’s a giant pussy…one who makes totally shitty music. FAIL on all accounts.

  • i think

    llol theyre both two chubby white guys…..

    rule 1; dont talk about fighting unless you can actually fight
    rule 2; no cheating.. fucking brass knuckles the dickhead

    • Double D

      I agree with your first point. However, there is no honor among those who street fight. If you square up on me, I’m going to take you out in any way possible. There’s no such thing as cheating when you feel like you’re about to be attacked. Then again, I don’t start fights.

      • Enjoy Guinness Extra Stout

        Pussy.

        • Double D

          Says the guy talking shit on the internet…

          • Enjoy Guinness Extra Stout

            Pussy

      • Sylvester

        I agree!
        Fuck that “fair fight” bullshit.
        If your objective is to reduce your opponent to a bloody mess, then use all means to accomplish that. Period.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicholas-Anthony/665244001 Nicholas Anthony

    not really into both bands. but ill take TAS over Emmure anyday. and hopefully frankie doesnt have a face after all this

    • http://www.myspace.com/somethinglikesweet CJ

      Awesome. First comment I’ve really agreed with so far. Emmure really seem, to me, like the stereotypical wigger punks that everyone on this site seems to hate. TAS just seem generally way more metal, thus making them cooler and earning my support over Emmure (who also, it should be pointed out, suck balls).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Guzmn/570745539 Daniel Guzmán

    The Emmure guy looks a lot like Jimmy Pop from the Bloodhound Gang. That’s all I have to say about this story.

  • nick

    why are so many of these hardcore, or metalcore, musicians and fans wrapped up in this attitude of street cred and respect? if their music was worth a damn they would have earned the respect they’re looking for and wouldn’t feel offended if someone talked shit. And besides the music, if they were decent human beings people would naturally respect them and they wouldn’t get themselves into this shit.

    These jittery jockstraps are looking for reasons to prove themselves because, despite modest success in the music game, they’re still just a bunch of nobody losers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Travis-Coy/550494220 Travis Coy

      Fuckin’ A right! +1

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

      Please go to a show….
      you’ll learn…
      i guarantee you…
      YOU WILL LEARN what your brain can’t seem to wrap around..

  • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

    haha this is way too funny especially since during my radio show last night when I got a request for the acacia strain I decided it would be funny to play their song about emmure and then followed it with emmures song about them

  • Enjoy Guinness Extra Stout

    If I had the opportunity I would have promoted this fight to fucking Don KIng and made some money off of it. On another note I wouldn’t mind seeing a Battle of the Bands between these two mediocre “artists”. No music playing just a battle royale. And whoever loses we all win. Because violence is funny.

  • TurdFerguson

    My black friend Twan says these niggas is crazy.

  • Che Guitarra

    If it did happen, I think they’re both idiots for exactly the reason you pointed out. I like to think I’m a happy go lucky guy, and metal tends to keep me in that mindset cause it puts any aggression I have anywhere else. On another note, I find it interesting to think of a drive by as “shenanigans.” Just saying.

  • LOLface

    What was the feud about in the first place?

    • Double D

      Yeah, were they just talking shit or what?

    • SonOF

      Emmure has supposedly stolen riffs, lyrics, style of dress, basically everything from The Acacia Strain.

      • Kaled

        No actually Emmure suposidly stole lyrics from The Acacia Strain, so then Vincent wrote a song called “Skynet” about Plagirism and I guess Frankie took it the wrong way then he wrote a song called “R2 Deepthroat” containing some lyrics from the song That Vincent had wrote and using other vulger lyrics, basiclly calling out Vincent and the rest of his band.

        To be honset I like both of thes band, I seen both of them live they put on a great show, and for you metal kids that hate, well go cut yourself and listen to Slipknot, fuckin’ pussies, don’t judge music cause it isn’t well known.
        Fucking go back to grade school and take notes from these bands and maybe you’ll hate shitty bands like Slipknot to =D

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

          LOVE YOU NO HOMO.

  • farts

    Most northeast bands (mainly the hardcore guys) have always had the fighter mentality. Hell most dress and like wiggers anyway, which is their thing…i aint judgin. But the fight doesnt surprise me at all. Its just the way it is up there.

  • Tom

    i just checked Vince’s twitter again it says this….

    “Really though. We traded blows. Thats it. We shook hands and ended it. As far as i am concerned the “beef” between us is done.”

  • OBEY1019

    I wish I could wear that Emmure douches boxing gloves and just go to town. Brass Knuckles????? What a fucking joke

  • dlux

    too bad they don’t go the way of 90′s norwegian metal and off each other. the world would be without 2 turds of bands.

  • I Hate Ziltoid aka Nacho Cheese Doritos

    I hope the Emmure dude hears that Ziltoid is talking smack!!!

  • Cavorka

    Next step: Make diss tracks of each other!

    • Double D

      I think that’s already been done by these two bands. Seriously, they already have tracks where they talk shit about one another.

      • Cavorka

        Really? Damn! I gotta hear those songs!

        • http://www.myspace.com/1033metal Jackson

          acacia strain- skynet
          emmure- r2 deepthroat

          • 20 eyes

            i thought skynet was all about cybernetic organisms.

            EMMURE SUCK.

            the name sounds like a perfume or something.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

            LOL
            ASK YOUR GIRL WHAT MAH DICK TASTES LIKE!

  • SolaceInNothing

    ugh isolated incident. Their human beings. BFD.

  • Kill All

    I can guess what label the “label source” works for, and I don’t trust that “label”, so strike that one from the record.
    Frankie from Emmure is a pussy for using brass knuckles. Anytime, from now on, that I hear Emmure or this punk talk about being a tough guy, I’m calling out FRAUD!!!

    • metalguy

      call “Shenanigans!”

  • B-dizzle

    LAMBGOAT UPDATED THE STORY

  • jtquake

    LOL WHY DIDN’T HE USE EMMURE’S NEW 40 DOLLAR BOXING GLOVES? LOL

    fuck emmure, they just copy TAS anyway

  • http://www.enemyreign.com SHERWOOD

    Bob Riley should have come down there and crushed them both.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

      you mean Chuck Norris

  • William Grimmkvlt

    Typical suburban white boys, trying to act gangsta. Both of them probably ran crying to their moms afterward and the moms were on the phone bitching at each other.

    “How dare your son hit my precious Franklin!”

    “Your precious Franklin used brass knuckles on my Vinnie-poo!”

  • Fufkin

    Bald men fighting over a comb.

  • Dick Asskiss

    Race war!

  • Abisaii

    Fuck Emmure and franky hope you get fucked up next time you get in a fight you still got beef with some of my homies

    • EmmureKillsTAS

      lol, yeah, okay thug.
      i’ll fuck with your homies.
      do seomthing.

  • Tom

    Good thing the new emmure cd blows,
    therefore I don’t care about either of these bands.

    haha.

  • X.Y.Z

    The Acacia Strain > other deathcore bands > dogshit > Emmure

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

      you fail.
      learn what deathcore is before posting

  • myke

    this so stupid and funny at the same time

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    “HEY FUCKER, YOUR BREAKDOWNS SOUND TOO MUCH LIKE MINE YO! WE GOT BEEF!

    I’MMA BEAT YO ASS AFTER MY GUITARIST FINISHES CHUGGIN BR00TAL STYLE, FAM. TALK SHIT, GET HIT, MY GUITARIST PLAYS IN DROP C, I’MMA DROP C MY FIST IN YO FACE.”

    Fuck both of these bands. They suck ass and offer nothing to music. It’s like watching two chimps fuck a football.

    They’re just shitty -core bands trying to attract the metal crowd with their heavy distortion.

    These guys aren’t even hardcore. Real hardcore punk bands and fans spit on this shit.

    So Private Pyle and Eric Wareheim are having a bit of a spat. They sooner they grow up, stop with the chugga-chugga ass sucking and learn that being late-20s wiggers is a played out occupation, the better.

  • Michael

    Im glad to hear that fought it out finally.
    Fuck all you fucks that don’t like Acacia Strain cause your opinion doesn’t matter! Haha.
    Sounds to me like Vincent knocked some sense into Frankie.
    Maybe Emmures next album won’t sound all bitchy!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

      it was un-heavy…
      i was dissappoint.
      :(

  • 20 eyes

    what the fuck is wigger about the acacia strain… what a hat?
    is that all you got?

    in all the dudes interviews he seems pretty fucking normal.
    plus TAS’s music kicks ass.

    FUCKING TUFF

    • SonOF

      I like TAS (somehwhat), think Emmure is worhtless, and think the word “wigger” is outdated and meaningless, but I don’t think it’s just a “hat” that garners these comments…have you ever seen a picture of Vincent all decked out? He looks like a complete fool (as does the fruit from Emmure) – hat sideways, clothes six sizes too big, chains, sunglasses..pretty stupid overall.

      • moe

        hat sideways, clothes six sizes too big, chains, sunglasses. so that’s your big fucking reason why you dont like frankie or the fruit from Emmure. muthafucka let me remind you that he is from QUEENS NY

        • Mr. Sinister 619

          Well then I guess it’s a good thing that he looks like a fucking queen. We wouldn’t want him to misrepresent his “hood”.

  • http://metalinjection.net Grim Kim

    No care ever. Genre flip.

  • Faded Mike

    So why is everybody bringing up the early 90s Norway scene? Varg and all his fellow corpse-painted tools were doing that shit out of a false sense of duty against christianity and fake loyalties. Vinny and Franks beef was based out of shit talking and the theory that Emmure has been ripping off TAS since day one…..The norway scene was the fakest shit ever. Fuck them

    • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

      Emmure and TAS are the fakest shit ever too if you think about it.

      It’s like two poor children arguing over possession of dirt.

  • http://demolishorr demolishor

    what started the whole Feud, is that TAS had a song called “Smoke Ya Later” and then Emmure made a song called “Rusted Over Wet Dreams” that sounded exactly like TAS’s song, so TAS made a song on their new album called “Skynet” which is about how Emmure copied them. so then Emmure went back and made a song about TAS called “R2 Deepthroat” which is about Vincent Bennet’s girlfriend sucking Frankie Palmeri’s dick.

    so Vincent put on his favorite flat-billed gangster hat and fucked frankie up in new york last night.

    • StayPuft

      ^ this is the actual story.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

        too bad rusted over wet dreams kicks dicks… BEST SONG EVER.
        sounds nothing like smoke ya later… well maybe a little..

  • Cory

    In my opinion you’re all fucking retards. Those are anonymous people who are saying what they “saw”. Whens the last time someone said something that was legitimately true? stop talkin’ trash until you get your shit right.

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    I still think Vincent looks like Eric from Tim and Eric, Awesome Show, Great Job!

    • GoGoGoreGadget

      i agree tho his voice is fucking insane

  • GoGoGoreGadget

    i dont give a fuck who won the fight but i do enjoy both their music and yes i have gauged ears and a flat brimmed hat.
    but just because i choose to wear what i want and look how i want it doesnt mean you can called us all “knuckle dragging retards” i think the term that was used was.
    sure you get your kid that are all talk and cant back it up. you also have the hardcore kids that are in fact so fucking stupid as to have a fight in a mosh pit. i mean come on its a mosh pit you will get hit if your near it.
    but the whole point me writing this is that you guys dont even know us you just look at us “weird” kids and call us knuckle dragging retards.
    Don’t judge us by look for fuck sake give ppl a chance dont write them, the fuck off cause you think they look weird
    i hate that shit and the image the media makes to be normal
    so next time you see a hardcore kid with gauged ears and a flat brimmed hat maybe you will think hey maybe that kid wouldnt be so bad if i gave him or her the gad damn time of day.

    • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

      I gave them the time of day once…and they wasted it with spin kicks against invisible ninjas.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

        LOL^^^^
        i do that!
        i also front handspring-to-windmill-to-donkey kick…
        mothafucka I AM THE NINJA!
        but yah… GoGoGoreGadge is not in fact a dxc, or hxc kid; he is a fuckin illiterate SCENE QUEEN!
        wtf?
        you wanna give us a good name?
        fuck the name!
        learn how to appropriately place your commas and proper english first…
        BABY STEPS..
        :)

  • GoGoGoreGadget

    oh and also if im not mistaken i would think that the song felony would be more about the fued between the two bands
    he makes references to the fight the two had and the trash talking itself.
    Just look up the lyrics and look for yourself

  • Quimathy

    apparently this all came around when vincent bennets ex girlfriend sucked the vocalist from emmures dick on tour somewhere. hence “van flip x 1000″ in TAS’ song Skynet.

    so all you close-minded goths out there who think its just “hardcore beef” are so wrong.

    you can slate TAS all you like, but they are really into what they are into. they have been around for years and stuck at what they do best. they arent a cover band like As Blood Runs Black. and they still write awesome material. and good on them for writing Skynet, and i hope they are pissing themselves with laughter at the state of R2 Deepthroat, its painfully written, and some of the lyrics dont even make sense.

    • StayPuft

      How is ABRB a “cover” band?

  • Scatman

    haha, Eric Wareheim vs. Andy Milonakis.
    This hardcore shit is retarded, that and I call bullshit on this event even happening, cmon, this is the internet.
    pics or im calling shens.

  • http://Twitter.com/anDREWswigger Drew

    Music is music! Some of it is ehh and some of it is amazing. It’s all what your ears are turned on by. I like TAS. I like Emmure. I don’t give a rats ass really about which sides better or which sides more metal/ hardcore. I really don’t. I enjoy the music….that’s it. Ps slipknot is what got me into metal when I was 12, so I listen to them too. Music is music fuckers:)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shaun-Lunk/1658816854 Shaun Lunk

      and slipknot is gay as fuck.
      (you left that part out)
      :)

  • sdfjaihfsidfhsduifhla

    These comments are fucking funny as hell.

    “I wanna know what kind of asshole actually says “pulled brass knucks”. Brass fucking knucks????? I dont care if he did use brass knuckles….using the term “pulled brass knucks” is far more offensive to me than the guy actually using brass knuckles if he really even did that which is highly unlikely since I am sure it would have been much easier for him to use one of those sweet boxing gloves they keep around.” – Hilarious

  • ddddd

    actually i heard that vincent from acacia walked up to frankie and then frankie knocked him out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mikey-Ck-Vanderven/502827008 Mikey Ck Vanderven

    LOL THIS HAPPENED IN CLIFTON PARK?!

    lmfao i remember that interview with Guy of the red chord on Metalinjection, and he mentioned he played one of the weirdest shows ever at clifton park with underoath…. lol

  • Bronson

    Brass knuckles are for pussies that can’t throw a proper punch. If you can’t complete your “objective to reduce your opponent to a bloody mess” with your own bare hands, then you’re nowhere near as tough as you think you are. Be that as it were, this shit is retarded.
    Grow up, and fight like men.

  • nickrude

    No matter what happens between them and there personal issues…..musically! the acacia strain has way more respect in the music scene by elders that have seen the scene come up from the start. kids love Emmure because there lyrics are hard as fuck but the acacia strain is hands down the better band musically because there real. fighting wise Frankie probably beat the hell out of Vince i mean its only obvious that Vince isn’t a violent dude. -NICKRUDE

  • Sistagamer

    kinda like mark mortan and randy blythe