EARACHE’S DIGBY PEARSON RESPONDS TO RE-THRASH BACKLASH

Thursday, June 24th, 2010 at 11:30am by

digbyIf I’d known about the Ask Earache blog — in which Earache founder Digby Pearson offers “GET STRAIGHT ANSWERS ON ANY EARACHE-RELATED TOPIC WITHOUT THE BULLSHIT” — I’d surely have been reading it by now (thanks, Ian, for sending in the link). It should go without saying that any president, CEO or even employee of any company has to realize that it’s impossible to give truly straight answers about something you’re so involved with and invested in. It’d be like if I proclaimed myself an authority on straight answers for all things Axl Rosenberg-related, you’d all cry bullshit (and rightly so) since not only is he my business partner and friend but I’ve known the guy since we were 5 years old and I’d defend him to the nines. Still, you could at least expect well thought out and cohesive articles, and I gotta give Dig credit here doing a good job with Ask Earache and at least offering some level of transparency with regards to a record label’s operations.

But you’re reading this article because you wanna know how he defends the gobs of new wave thrash bands he’s signed. Earache, perhaps more than any metal label, has been at the forefront of the thrash revival with bands such as Municipal Waste, Evile, Gama Bomb and Bonded by Blood. So, what are Dig’s thoughts on the movement, the bands, and how re-thrash fits into the ever-evolving pantheon of modern metal?

Here’s the original question, submitted to Digby by a reader/fan:

Dig, speaking about the future of metal, and extreme music. Do you SEE one? Earache is focusing on the thrash revival movement, a conservative throwback that is very fundamentalist in its approach to composition and music, it brings back the radicalism, narrow-mindedness and intolerance of the 80s with a vengeance (and sees that narrow mindedness as something to be confused with “pride” for the music and a kind of “trueness” and loyalty to the music) and pretty much only allows for music to be made in the way it was made during roughly 7, 8 years, from 1982 to 1990. Any growth, experimentation or evolution that took place after this very specific tiny period is seriously frowned upon by the conservative, reactionary thrashers. I think this scene is now as set and marked in stone as other revivals, mainly like rockabilly and we will see the aging thrashers and their followers doing and playing exactly the same type of music over and over again, with the same riffs, themes, clothes, album covers, etc, in the decades to come. Is Earache prepared to be the label for that movement?

And if intense music is to grow, do you see or can you predict WHERE it can go after all these years of experimentation with punk, hip hop, electronic, faster, slower, stonier, more bass, colder, etc types of metal and hardcore have already been done?

Would you sign, nowadays, a band like Shining (not the black metal, the Norway one) which is apparently attempting to take heavy sounds to new places?

And here’s Digby’s response, which I’ll naturally interject with my own commentary and thoughts:

Maybe you missed this particular memo dude, but the future of ‘Extreme Metal’ is already being written into history by a generation of young bands playing whats loosely an amalgam of Death Metal brutality & hardcore style knuckle-dragging chug chug breakdowns, its called ‘Deathcore’. It was never predicted by any journalist or blogger but was created by teenagers seeking to make the most extreme music imaginable. The scene built its success due to those bands early adoption and fanatical use of the power of the then newly-launched social networking site MySpace. From 2004 onwards, they were all over it, networking with, and building a fanbase 24/7. Curtis who is a member of Sheffield, UK band Bring Me The Horizon was so quick off the mark, he nabbed the Myspace pages of both At The Gates and The Haunted for his own private use.

The success of Deathcore bands like Job For A Cowboy, Suicide Silence and newer names like Whitechapel is proven by their high USA Billboard chart placings.They have genuine fans who still -gasp – actually buy CDs, and they are changing the landscape of extreme metal, in fact they have done so for a few years now. If there is one flaw in this theory, then its the bands’ relative lack of success in the heavy metal strongholds of Europe. Deathcore bands are huge in USA but make barely a blip on the radar in say Sweden or Germany. Their success story seems to echo that of Myspace itself.

Digby’s certainly not wrong that deathcore has made a huge impact on modern metal, and he’s definitely got an understanding of why. He also seems to recognize that deathcore is a way bigger cash cow than re-thrash. But “The future”? Deathcore has already crested, and in the end I think most of us agree it’ll be the next passing fad. Somewhat more scandalously, dig Digby actually just call Earache bands Oceano and And Hell Followed With “hardcore style knuckle-dragging chug chug”? Why yes, he kinda did.

Back to your point about the Thrash bands being retro- I disgree, because I think the bands are merely using Thrash and NWOBHM as a reference point to start over again. Basically to many of the young bands we deal with, Destruction is just cooler than say Cradle of Filth. Bringing Thrash & 80s Heavy Metal elements back into the metal picture is just as valid and probably more contemporary than the abominations we have had to endure over the years- Hip Hop, Goth, Electronica and even bloody Opera have all been added to the metallic palette with short-term success, but I’m sorry, for me, Jazz becoming a big thing in metal will be the final nail in the coffin.

Thrash as a jumping off point? Uh, are we listening to the same records? The main reason I haven’t been able to get behind the thrash revival with full gusto is precisely because so many of these bands brings so little that’s new to the table. At least with deathcore you’ve got a kinda new sound, even if it’s been assembled from old parts, as opposed to re-thrash which is just… well, old parts. Also, with one simple statement, Digby just single-handedly swiped several decades’ worth of innovative metal that incorporated elements of other genres under the rug. Are you meaning to suggest that NO good metal can come about when you mix other genres (hip hop, goth, electronica, and opera amongst them) into the picture? That the only metal worth a damn is pure, unadulterated metal of one specific kind? Hogwash. Tell that to Mikael Akerfeldt’s face. Or Ben Weinman’s. Or Chino Moreno’s. Or, like, anyone’s.

With regards to jazz working its way into metal, I think Digby misinterpreted the reader’s question. I don’t believe the reader suggested that jazz metal would be the next big thing, just that Shining are pushing the envelope by trying something new unlike these re-thrash bands, most of whom don’t try anything new aside from the pre-worn-in Exodus shirts they got on eBay. Shining aren’t the next big thing, but they’ve taken an artistic leap by letting their jazz roots seep into their music, and by doing so guarantee themselves at least a shot of having a lasting career instead of being part of a passing fad.

Its all about demolishing the ensconsed. Last week NME magazine- not known for having a finger on the pulse of metal trends- actually recognised that ENFORCER were pushing the metallic envelope and named them as among the Top 50 risk-takers in music. They were right to compare ENFORCER to Bjork, Jack White or Lady Gaga, because in 21 year old Olof Wikstrand the band boast a True Heavy Metal singer who wants to be, first and foremost a showman, and put on a show for his fans.

Fenriz from Darkthrone agrees. He knows a thing or two about decent music- he’s just reviewed ENFORCER ‘Diamonds’ with a 9.5/10 mark in Rock Hard magazine:

[review excerpt]

You said it yourself… NME certainly doesn’t have a finger on the pulse of metal trends, and this example is no different. Enforcer are a perfectly fine band — I somewhat enjoyed Diamonds — though by no means under ANY stretch of the imagination are they “pushing the metallic envelope.” They’re a trad-metal revival band influenced heavily by Maiden and Priest, ala another Earache signee White Wizzard. I don’t give a fuck what Fenriz thinks; everything on this record has already been done before. Pushing the metallic envelope?? Really??? Again, they’re a decent enough band, but come on. Call a spade a spade!

I’ll leave it to the blog readers to make their own mind up.Which do you prefer- a new NWOTHM band with a Heavy Metal singer or an instrumental jazz-metal skronk outfit? Leave your comments.

Digby, I’ll take the instrumental jazz-metal skronk outfit, every single day of the week (Shining aren’t instrumental, by the way). I’ll take a band that turns heads, takes risks and tries to do something that hasn’t been before over one that simply re-hashes their heroes, any damned day. Be it jazz, opera, electronica or polk influence mixed into metal — or, shit, just trying something new within the confines of pure metal, like Portal are doing — I don’t give a fuck… after 40 years of this genre, simply repeating the status quo is not enough. Those bands that simply repeat the status quo are bound to be forgotten by history, much like 95% of the new wave of thrash bands will be in five years time.

-VN

  • Driven9

    Good article, and I def agree,

    “Those bands that simply repeat the status quo are bound to be forgotten by history, much like 95% of the new wave of thrash bands will be in five years time.” – vn

    … well said

  • http://www.myspace.com/thestarsthrewdowntheirspears Tim

    So, this is how a label exec thinks. No wonder the music industry is in such an awful state. What a troglodyte.

    • malwar

      i don’t even know if he really thinks that thrash is the new deal. most of the hearsay i’ve heard about digby is he’s a thief and a liar, sort of like a less successful Tony Brummel. i know i’ve seen his label jump from sinking ship to sinking ship (Dubwar anyone? how about Ultraviolence? or when he was signing Italian Limp Bizkit ripoffs?) my guess is he’s finally sniffed out a trend with some legs, so he’s riding that fucker as long as he can.

      really i’m just bitter about all those EPs he forced out – i just paid 12 american dollars for an album track, an old track, a cover and a techno remix? fuck me

  • Doc

    OK, here’s why this got posted on MS:

    …Earache is focusing on the thrash revival movement, a conservative throwback that is very fundamentalist in its approach to composition and music, it brings back the radicalism, narrow-mindedness and intolerance of the 80s with a vengeance…

    Must’ve been on one of you dorks’ liberal propaganda newsletters, huh?

    • Jack

      It’s like reading Pitchfork or something…

  • http://www.masterful-magazine.com/ Choronzon

    I’m surprised that Earache Records is still around, considering the number of bands they have ripped off over the years. In a few years from now all these re-thrash bands come crying aplenty over lost copyrights, the bad contract they had and endless re-issues with no monetary compensation, etc.

    • Dysenteric

      Same here. I still remember the troubles with Bolt Thrower and the Elitist branch. A very good band called !T.O.O.H.! had to split up because Earache wouldn’t promote their last album.

      • http://heavystreet.com Sat

        I still remember bands like Clutch, and Entombed in the mid-90′s shitting on Digby for years over bad business. Hopefully it is differnt now at Earache.

  • Gecko

    This was actually really well thought out, Vince. Yes, I’m the first to plead guilty to listening to re-thrash (White Wizzard, Municipal Waste, etc.). I like it, and I don’t feel the need to apologize for it. But unlike what Digby is trying to do, which I can only assume is defend his label and it’s narrow scope, I view re-thrash as just another little piece under the metal umbrella, just like prog, hardcore, deathcore, metalcore, whatever-the-new-Murderdolls-song-is-core, etc. Like you said though, “Those bands that simply repeat the status quo are bound to be forgotten by history, much like 95% of the new wave of thrash bands will be in five years time.” It’s good to have it, but I won’t base my entire listenership around it.

  • EvilivE

    I enjoy a lot of the neo-thrash bands, but originality is not their strong point. Death core was the new thing a few years ago. Thankfully it’s finally winding down a bit and some of the deathcore bands are slowly trying to cross over in to a more death metal sound. You can clearly hear it on both JFAC’s and Whitchapels latest. I’ll take the jazz/metal fusion any day of the week as well. I have yet to get around to Yakuza’s latest, so that’s one I’m looking forward to. Any other Jazz infused metal bands I should know about?

    • Steve O

      There aren’t many bands around that genuinely actually incorporate elements of jazz, check out Shining’s Blackjazz I suppose.

      • EvilivE

        I’ll check them out, Thanks. I also like Exivious and Animals As Leaders are great.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Jay/1137871271 Sean Jay

          I would listen to some of the really early bands to incorporate jazz, not the least of which would be Cynic, Gorguts, Atheist, Pestilence, and to a certain point, the Dillinger Escape Plan (not the early, but whatever). They’re all fantastic in different ways.

    • slowmotion

      these are both old bands, but if you don’t know them you might want to check out Spiral Architect and maybe Naked City

    • Rachel

      The Ihsahn album released this year, After, is also a great album with some jazz. And I’m not saying it’s jazzy just because there is a saxophone in it. I haven’t listened to the previous Ihsahn albums, so maybe they are jazzy, as well.

      • Alex_P

        Second-best album I’ve heard this year, yeah.

        It also has the saxophonist from Shining, whose record is like my 7th or some shit like that (I’ll have to sit down and make a list).

  • Frampler

    Neo-thrash isn’t about the music, it’s about the fashion. I’ve got friends with awful, pop-punk type tastes in music who are loving Municipal Waste because of the drinking and the merchandise and saying how much they now love thrash, but the same friends turned down trips to see Slayer and Testament because they are ‘old’.

    These people will move on, and then we’ll get the neo-nu-metal (it’s already starting in the UK), at which point I hope everyone dies. Quickly.

    • Dysenteric

      > then we’ll get the neo-nu-metal (it’s already starting in the UK)

      What? What bands are bringing back nu-metal? Who do I have to wish a pox on?

      • Monkey Knife Fight

        I second this. I want to know who is doing this. I need something to get angry about.

    • deathcore sucks

      you are right about neo thrash it is just shit its is nothing compared to 80s thrash neo thrash is pretty much glam metal with thrash image. I actully used to like municipal waste but started to lose taste in them because their lyrics are just about partying and i thought whats the differance a neo tharsher and a rich jock kid not much because all they care about is getting drunk and hight the only differance between the two is the fashion and thats it. As far as lyrical content gose all the 80s thrash and hardcore punk bands their lyrics had meaning all the songs about getting wasted that municipal waste have are just do not meaning or importance. All of the neo thrashers and up the punks kids in my town piss me off they all act like their shitty local secen is the next big thing in metal or punk but do not know that no one really cares cause they all suck and are not doing any thing to help the worldwide metal or punk secen. Also neo nu metal thats actully happening sounds pretty bad.

  • GN

    Asking the exec from Earache about forward thinking in music, is like asking a BP exec for advice on environmental sensitivity

    • Sacajawea

      Zing boy, zing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

      haha touche!

    • ian

      Well, considering that they were signing death metal and grindcore acts when such music never previously existed before and even at one point got bankrolled by Sony because they saw the potential in these genres, as well as signed bands like Decapitated and Akercocke, I’d disagree with that. Earache was actually a very forward-thinking label for a long time.

      • ian

        Ephel Duath, Dillinger, and Naked City were also jazzy type bands released on Earache, so it’s not like the label never touched that style of music. The problem I have personally with Dig’s post is the fact that he signs all these deathcore and retro bands and reconciles them as the future of metal. I think that’s dishonest. Those forward-thinking bands didn’t sell, whereas thrash and deathcore sells, and although Dig does hint at that in his blog, he seems to foolishly reconcile Oceano and the like when he should just come out with it and say that those bands are selling and they were most likely signed because of that sales potential.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Jay/1137871271 Sean Jay

          Rule number one of trying to make a profit is to not admit you’re trying to make a profit. It’s been that way since the beginning of time. Every toilet paper commercial you see wasn’t made by people give a damn if your toilet paper feels nice on your ass. They just think their product will turn out some good sales. These label cronies will never say they want more profit, they’re gonna tell you that they wanna send you the most extreme and groundbreaking new bands just because they think you’ll like them.

          • ian

            No. There are A&R guys and label managers who come out and say “X band doesn’t sell, Y band sells, the music industry sucks now and sales are down so it’s hard to take risks anymore and we signed Y. We liked both bands but it came down to sales potential or sales history if it’s a legacy act.” Dig always struck me as one of those honest dudes who’d say something like that.

            This has nothing to do with “pulling profit” either. This is about being able to sell the proper amount of records as sustenance for the company so that it doesn’t completely collapse.

          • ian

            Although to be fair I guess you pretty much do have a point. Most aren’t going to come out and be honest haha.

        • BC

          Ahem…. Dillinger never released anything on Earache they started out on Relapse and stayed there until they released Miss Machine but then Moved to Season Of Mist to release Ire Works and then started their own independent label attached to Season Of Mist called Party Smasher Records to release their latest album

  • Chuckles

    I’m suprised that no one has brough up the point about re-thrash is the fact that going to a thrash show is actually entertaining and fun. You know the same way that folk metal is an enjoyable experience. Its the energy of the music and the band.

    I mean there’s nothing like going and paying 40 bucks to watch a band stare at their shoes and show absolutely no energy in their act. Its great to see people making music that goes against the grain, but at the end of the day its a show.

    • Sacajawea

      Unless your car can’t make it to shows. Then it’s about the music.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Jay/1137871271 Sean Jay

    Great freaking article. I enjoy some of the neothrashers, I admit (namely Skeletonwitch), but this guy was way out of line with a response. I was expecting something more like ‘Hey, sometimes you’ve gotta just spend some time reminiscing, basking in the glory of the past, blah blah blah.’ But instead he essentially called a slew of tribute bands groundbreaking and new.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Anthony-Dovey/741252528 David Anthony Dovey

      Skeletonwitch get a pass because they are one band that is actually doing new(ish) things with the sound by incorporating blackened elements in there as well. I’m not saying it’s the most original and ground-breaking thing in the world but it’s definitely not just taking Exodus songs and changing the titles.

      • PanzerD

        Agreed, Skeletonwitch definitely have a retro sound, but the music itself is refreshing and interesting. Those guys live and breathe metal, and are just playing what’s true to their hearts, not cashing in on some new trend like 90% of the other neo-thrashers out there…

  • WP92

    I wonder if this guy has heard Revocation? Death thrash with a trained jazz musician as the frontman and guitarist? I think his head would explode from the combo.

  • Chip Northcutt

    I wish record companies released good music, not music that fits a partical demographic. Taste counts in music.

  • boob

    Good article…

    Behold… the Arctopus!!!!!

    sorry, I just had to say that….

  • Rich

    I made all those points you just have and wrote them as a comment on that exact post on his blog.

    Unfortunately, all comments need to be approved by Digby before they go up and he decided not to approve what I wrote. A shame, but I’m glad you agree and someone has the ability to have those thoughts heard.

  • Benito

    oh wow, that was a great article. good one on calling digby out on some of those flaws, I almost read over them and didn’t even notice.

  • Jason

    A question that I had when reading this was, “why does metal (or any genre of music) have to be constantly evolving to be interesting?” In other words, if whatever band got you into metal started playing something more ‘evolved’ would you still be into them? I would expect most to answer “no” and I’m basing this on Metallica. From MOP to Load, there is an audible progression of change. Metallica essentially ‘evolved’ from a trash metal band to a hard rock band. But (most people) wanted Metallica to stay stagnant at MOP style. Would anyone consider this bad if they had? So what if they release different albums in the same style. The MOP sound/style is what we want from Metallica, not Load, Re-Load, or St. Anger. In actuality, Metallica became bland and uninteresting with their ‘evolution’. So why is re-thrash bad then? Would we all not love for Metallica to release another album like MOP? What’s really the difference if a band by another name does it?

    Just a string of questions and thinking I had. Nothing against jazz-metal or any other ‘evolved’ form of metal.

    • http://toeleven.wordpress.com/ Jayson

      That is the question I had too. That whole line of reasoning on the ‘progression’ of metal is a joke. Music changes on various paths moving forward and backward constantly. Old styles become popular again, some bands never give up, and new stuff that pushes boundaries. It just seems to say that innovation is the only thing with value. Maybe people just enjoy thrash, or death metal or whatever, even though their heydays are done. It reminds me the Southpark where people crap out of their mouths, because that’s the new thing to do to, it’s new you see, new always equals progress.

      Shining aren’t doing anything even remotely new. Yakuza has been making jazz-metal for 10 years now.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jordan-Oates/1476540021 Jordan Oates

        I agree to the extent that, the evolving, new, unique band isn’t always better. I mean, if you hear the best song you’ve ever heard, does it really matter if it’s evolved? No.

        If a band were to come along and write the greatest album ever, that it turns out everybody loves, would it matter if they sounded like Slayer, except better than they did even on Reign in Blood? I think not.

        • 6810

          Yeah, it’s just nostalgia. New music doesn’t impact the weary jaded ears of MS’ writers as it did when they were younger.

          Everyone keeps talking progress but music has always progressed more laterally then up or forward. And anyway, what does “so-called” progress mean anyway? A lot of avant garde music, metal or otherwise is not always an easy listen or a listen for more than a small few.

          Shit. From little things big things grow. Not a deathcore fan, but on listening to Suicide Silence I can see why they are liked – they rock hard and explode.

          I’m always reminded of Airbourne in this regard. When accused of sounding like AC/DC they simply reply “And that’s a bad thing? Who wouldn’t want to sound like AC/DC? They rule”.

    • Monkey Knife Fight

      @Jason _ I have a friend who loved Dillinger Escape Plan’s first couple of releases and hates them now. The reason? They changed.
      I guess the question/point/something is whether change = evolution = new = good?

      His thing with DEP is that they changed in the wrong way. He loves the idea of artists doing something new for the sake of creativity. Yet he hates the DEP have done that.

      I think what I am getting at is similar to your point about Metallica – maybe people confuse new=good and new=shit. That Metallica’s stuff post Justice/Black was just shit. And people then blame it on Metallica trying something new. Yet other people want change for the sake of change.

      I don’t know what i’m saying anymore. I’ve drunk too much coffee today and my brain is a mess.

      • BC

        Bands are like pre-pubescent teens that you get to watch go through puberty. Some age gracefully always evolving and at the end of the road you have a handsome/beautiful human being comfortable in their own skin IMHO Dillinger have done that and other examples would be again IMO Mastodon but other hit puberty like a brick wall. They grow really tall and lanky and lose their balance their voice starts to crack they get major acne and you end up with a strange awkward young man not so comfortable with himself (Metallica). that’s all it boils down to
        Case and Point

      • Fred Durst

        Well bands need to change , Ill see your Metallica example and raise you In Flames. I know they get alot of shit in certian circles, but I find myself listening to ASOP more than Jester Race these days. Not that its entirely a better album, but its pushing out, like it or not, and they seem to challenge themselves. In my opinion they are trying new shit and it works. Like Death Magnetic, I think that album is great as well ( LOAD AND RELOAD ARE UNLISTENABLE).

        Shadows Fall is a great example of a awesome band with huge potential, but they choose to make the same album over and over again. Exodus, ACDC, and most tr00 Death Metal bands fail to innovate… its like going to McDonalds and getting a #4 every time.

        Revocation restores my faith in metal!

  • astrocreep, too bad rob zombie is better at making movies now

    Good to see transparency with record labels now. A big step for Earache records. Municipal Waste is the best active band they have right now.

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    So Seth…was Earache REALLY better when Dig answered the phone?

  • vedicardi

    Skeletonwitch and new Evile. That’s where it’s at people.

  • JesuFer

    Sunn O))) ist krieg!!!

  • the.wet.hanky

    Isn’t Digby’s label?