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JONATHAN DAVIS STILL DOESN’T GET IT (KORN VS. BP, ROUND II)

 Monday, July 26th, 2010 at 11:30am by

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When Korn announced they would be boycotting BP on their current summer tour I laughed; Jonathan Davis’ desire to hurt the oil giant was cute but ultimately misdirected, an overly simplistic gesture for a very complex issue. But this recent interview with SuicideGirls.com [via Bmouth] just underscores the fact that Davis has no fucking idea what he’s talking about.

Davis spends a good amount of town complaining that BP (and Exxon, 21 years ago off the coast of Valdez, Alaska) could’ve avoided this catastrophe by investing a relatively small amount of money on equipment upgrades. Well, yeah, that’s true. But to blame BP for this mess is like blaming McDonald’s for clogging up your arteries and making you fat; your arteries wouldn’t be filled with gunk if you didn’t eat McDonald’s all the time, you fucking fat ass. The analog, of course, is that we all are responsible for this oil spill because of our excessive, oil-driven behavior as a society. The real solution here is not to boycott BP or point the finger at BP or the government for not taking action, but to look at ourselves and all the demand we create for oil to be extracted from the earth in mass quantities. Hey Jonathan Davis, if you’re really serious about this issue then STOP DOING THINGS THAT REQUIRE HUGE AMOUNTS OF OIL! Stop driving cars everywhere, stop eating fruits and vegetables out of season that are shipped halfway across the world, stop eating fished that are farmed in Vietnam (and shipped here), stop drinking bottled water, stop running your air conditioner all the time, stop going on tours with semis and tour buses that guzzle an extraordinary amount of gas, etc etc etc.

Ultimately it’s all of our own faults that there’s such a high demand for this substance, the mining of which puts the earth at great risk. Stop blaming others for this disaster and take responsibility. It’s YOUR fault, Jonathan, and it’s mine, and Axl’s, and everyone’s; we’ve all got to change our behavior to prevent catastrophes like this. If everyone changes the way they consume oil on a daily basis and, most of all, becomes AWARE of the energy consequences of every action we make, our society can go a long way in a short amount of time towards preventing something like the Gulf oil spill from ever happening again. It’s that simple.

-VN

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  • vagoo

    I feel good about myself………..

    because now I have another reason to hate Korn!

    • RayRay

      Another useless post by Vince. Didnt he already post something exactly like this a few months back? So instead of Korn going on tour to make money they should stop touring because the buses use too much gas? I understand the points that Vince makes but really? We are not going to run out of oil anytime soon. I dont like Korn and I am not defending Jonathan Davis but for metal to survive they need to tour and guzzle gas. Also I cannot imagine eating a fish from a farm in Vietnam. Seafood sucks enough already but from fucking nam? Ill take a locally raised NY strip from the farm up the street anyday.

      • >_>

        Yes, anything that keeps Korn out of the studios and their fans off the streets is a good thing.

      • Hobs

        Ray you’re such a dumb fuck. There’s alternate energy sources so no oil doesn’t mean no transport for bands full stop, oil is a fossil fuel which can’t be replaced so saying ‘it’s not going to run out soon’ is like quiting you’re job because you have enough in the bank then trying to live the rest of your life without an income every again, and most people don’t go select a fish from Nam, they buy fish they want not knowing where it comes from at a supermarket and it’s most likely been shipped from around the world cause it’s cheap shit.

  • Anthony

    I think someone used this analogy before, but to say the BP oil spill is our fault for using things that require a lot of oil, is like saying an iPhone that exploded and killed you is that person’s fault because he needed a cell phone.

    • zulcon

      just because you found a shitty analogy doesn’t mean you need to repost it.

    • Pink

      Well if we started looking at alternate energy BEFORE going off land to find oil then the shit wouldn’t be tapped and now flooding the place.. idiot.

  • Fufkin

    Actually you’re both wrong – it’s Transocean’s fault for turning their alarms off. Or it certainly will be now BP is involved in drilling in the Falklands area. Which the US will want a piece of.

    • Captain Wookie

      THANK YOU someone else was smart enough to listen on the Transocean part. That doesn’t mean there aren’t some valid points brought up

  • Sliv

    I think they’re both right, sort of, Vince is right in that the reason that BP were drilling at that depth is our incredibly high demand of oil. Johnathon is right in that this whole mess could’ve been avoided had BP been more careful and perhaps had invested more time into making sure that the equipment they had would stand up to the depths involved in the deep sea drilling process.

  • Balls McGee

    Keep the politics and your liberal crybaby crap off here. More importantly, stop talking about Korn. This is Metalsucks, not MSNBC.

    • PatrickSTL

      so it’s “liberal crybaby crap” to have conscious thoughts about the world, and it’s future. God, some people are stupid. This is important, and it affects us all. One way to curb your footprint: go vegan!

    • Robotscythe

      So being a responsible human being and acknowledgeing that our actions have consequences is liberal crap?? Typical braindead, selfish conservative reaction. Every conservative wants the freedom to do whatever the hell they want but suffer no repercussions. Their lives suck because of somebody else doing or getting something rather than them just being stupid.

      • Dubs

        No, it’s stupid liberal crap to actually believe that we can move to a source of energy other than oil. Smart people (you know cost analysts, scientists, economists, historians, etc.) say that there is no feasible way to stop using oil in the near future. It just simply costs too much to operate other sources of energy. This is, of course, barring nuclear energy (but liberals hate that too).

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Colbert/535041444 Dave Colbert

          We HAVE to move to a source other than oil or we will all be dead very soon dipshit!

        • Action_Bastard

          “Stupid liberal crap.”

          It sounds like a certain wacky conservative can’t handle opinions other than his own.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Verdugo/1128951014 Ian Verdugo

      Have you been asleep… THis site and it’s contributors have a somewhat left of center slant… Politics are reality.

    • http://heavybrutal.com/ familyghost

      please commit suicide. conservatism fails just as hard you fucking tool.

      • deathcore sucks

        what the fuck is a republcian doing on a metal website

        • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

          I asked that question when they interviewed that guy from Avenged Sevenfold.

  • http://www.jaydinitto.com Jay

    Some Korn fans might be old enough to be holding stock in BP through their 401k. I’d boycott Korn before BP any day.

    • William Grimmkvlt

      Does Jiffy Lube offer 401k plans? I have a feeling most Korn fans don’t work at jobs that offer those things.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Colbert/535041444 Dave Colbert

        haha, good one! what abot Walmart and Burger King?

  • Ziv F

    your argument is ridicules. we all use energy and energy runs on oil (and other stuff too but also oil). we can (and we need to) discuss the quantities of oil we consume, but in the end, we have to use some amound of oil, so we need to drill it and we need to have safety measures and relaible people doing it. dismissing the whole argument by saying we just need to drive smaller cars is seriously stupid.

    the funny here is that you blame Davis of being simplistic but your arguments is the most symplistic thing i’ve ever heard – let’s not talk about who drills our oil and how, but instead throw around a bunch of environmental cliches and feel good about ourselves.

    • DreadSpaniard

      “your argument is ridicules.”

      Skwisgaar?

      • yetzer hara

        i thought the same thing. +1

    • PatrickSTL

      This is very true.

      • ferocious_fetus

        “symplistic” FTW

  • evilfatguy

    Yeah, stop asking your liberal crybaby questions and your gay liberal outlook of “not shutting up and eating the plate of shit you’re served” has got to go.

    • Austin Nutter

      Your gay liberal outlook. What is this, my freshman civics class?

      • Dubs

        No it’s a bunch of people tired of hearing stupid bullshit.

  • http://www.myspace.com/palehorseofhell lord assenfroth

    we would be in a stone age if it wasnt for oil. we should develop new technologies and transition to cleaner forms of energy, but its not that simple to change everything. its going to be a long time before theres a cheap enough alternative to get everyone off of oil.

    • Vinsanity

      true and thats the problem. we are totally limited by money. its like, we’ll just keep destroying because its cheaper now, when money has absolutely no value, especially when we’ve killed everything. we have great hydrogen/solar technologies but too expensive so keep fucking the earth. we def deserve extermination.

      • PatrickSTL

        We aren’t limited by money. Trillions spent of wars. We are limited by our mindsets.

        • http://www.myspace.com/palehorseofhell lord assenfroth

          exactly, and how many of those wars were over oil?

          • Dubs

            DURR HURR IRAQAFGHANISTAN DURR HURR GREEDY BUSHCHENEY IS GREEDY DURR HURR

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Colbert/535041444 Dave Colbert

            this is Truth

          • Vinsanity

            everyones greedy and its all over some resource. ultimately yes, we are limited by money.

    • Dean

      We could have achieved the same kind of reductions in disasters like this if we had heeded the warning signs and started taking measures to curb population growth in the 1970s or 1980s, when resource stocks started to diminish.

      • Vinsanity

        well thats an entirely different note. were def not going to be able to sustain this exponential pop. growth indefinitely.

  • Honeynutzz

    HA America.

    You’re gonna blow up and take us all with you.

    • Vinsanity

      precisely. but the whole world has some blame too. all driven by the same illusions.

  • Watt Par

    I would just like to point out the utter weakness of that analogy. That is in no way similar. Massive oil spills are not a “side effect” of partaking in oil that is unavaoidable. Being fat is a side effect of eating fatty foods. A more appropriate, yet still McDonald’s related analogy, would be something along the lines of someone being poisoned because a McDonald’s employee poured bleach into soft drink machine. Sure that wouldn’t have happened if no one ate at McDonald’s, however this is not an acceptable risk and is the result of gross negligence.

    • tall_ted

      Is this to say that because BP is not entirely responsible for the existence of the oil industry, it’s not responsible for the failure of its own people and equipment?

      That doesn’t sound right.

      • tall_ted

        Shit. This was supposed to be it’s own comment, not a reply to Watt Par.

        Watt Par is cool by me.

  • hyperkulturemia

    Well, our complacency coupled with the oil industry’s supression of alternative fuel sources that would make them obsolete is to blame really. We all know there’s probably like 10 other legitimate ways to power our cars that are just collecting dust in some R&D bunker, but we don’t give a shit cuz that would mean getting our asses off the couch.

    • Vinsanity

      you got it. money money money

    • dallascowboyfromhell

      yea at one point there was a fully functional electronic car capable of speeds up to 100 mph that was produced on a small scale by GM…..then because of the lack of profitability this idea lay dead in a back ally, covered in blood and the semen of rich oil men

      • ES Major

        Actually, the EV (the GM electric vehicle) was quite profitable. Its leaseholders loved the car. Oil lobbyists and companies laid in bed with the Californian politicians and revoked the law which had given a certain amount of years before all cars in CA had to decrease emissions by a certain percent. After the law was revoked, GM yanked the product and concentrated on advocating and producing the Hummer. Then we had to bail GM out because of their poor business practices. Woops!

    • Watt Par

      Yup. And it’s Hitler’s Mom’s fault that the holocaust happened.

  • Genial Gentile

    I definitely agree that Jonathan Davis should stop touring…if you want to put that on the environment, well then color me green.

  • Future Ruins

    Hey Vince, I appreciate your point of view, but dude it’s not that simple as you say. Let’s be realistic, your solution would require a major cultural shift and that’s not going to happen any time soon, especially with other alternative energies that are not fully developed to the point that we could move away from oil. I see this mess that we are in as an inevitability in the progression of humankind. Look backwards in to history and you’ll come across just as much strife and disaster. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for being green and lessening my impact on the environment. It’s really out of our collective hands until Mother Nature decides to intervene.

    • Vinsanity

      regression of humankind. we are shit. avalanche of shit collecting more shit since we developed “civilized” ways of thinking and doing. go read ishmael by daniel quinn, it will open your eyes. any of you should read it, that shit should be taught in schools. serious.

      • PatrickSTL

        Yess! Ishmael is my favorite book of all time.

        Everyone should also read “The Problem Of Civilization” by Derrick Jensen.

      • http://www.myspace.com/msrp Nic Heidt

        I’m suprised by the verbiage of this post that you could actually read Ishmael. BAMF!

    • yetzer hara

      saying that it’s not gonna happen anytime soon is a shit excuse for not doing something now. you’re not responsible for anyone but yourself, and your own actions have the power to influence (positively and negatively) others. revolution comes from within. you have to be that cultural shift, dude.

      • Vinsanity

        ya you got it man. im workin on it myself. we all got to do it too.

  • Ziltoid

    Haha, MS’s environmentalist rants always make me chuckle.

  • TheKernel

    Vince. So let me get this straight. My/our use of oil is responsible for BP to be completely negligent in it’s drilling policy and safety decisions? That’s fucking crazy reasoning. Try sticking to metal you have a hard enough time with that anyway.

    • Matt

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    • Vinsanity

      the prob is drilling and our dependence on it in the first place, dumb fuck slave. keep to your menial tasks, my toilet needs cleaned.

      • \m/Eluveitie\m/

        “my toilet needs cleaned”

      • cougar party

        piss turkey.

      • TheKernel

        Your argument is a fallacy. Ignoring a Common Cause or Questionable Cause

        A) BP oil spill is caused by B) Humans over dependence on oil.

        No it was caused by negligence on BP’s part. Not use of oil. If the same steps by BP were taken regardless of dependence on oil the same result would have occurred.

        Also using an ad hominem attack doesn’t help your argument.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christoph-Fin/1567502385 Christoph Fin

          +1

          Using the oil leak (its not a spill!) to falsely advance your political agenda is quite weak. A problem such as an oil leak can be easily prevented by A.) BP takes necessary steps to insure structural integrity on their own or B.) A government-mandated structure and safety guideline to insure that a disaster like this doesnt happen again.

          Also getting corporations out of the back pockets of the US government (or vice versa, whichever it may be) would probably go a long way towards responsibility and business ethics in the so called free market

        • Vinsanity

          its too easy to fuck it up, no matter how many regulations we have. none of it is natural, any amount of damage destroys habitat which is there for good reason. there are complex balances of chemicals in the environment,soil, etc that depends on all organisms. needlessly takin them away to any extent just because some want to run us on quantifiable sources is wrong in any sense. and im even talking about the establishment of oil rigs, not even leaks/spills. sure, the exact accident was negligence, but when we are doing something that can have potentially such great consequences, its time to move onto something else. i admit i got emotional with my ad hominem, but it was not unfounded. my hate for our trends accumulates within myself, to be released perhaps unhelpfully.

          • Vinsanity

            so in all actuality, thekernel, the only fallacy im guilty of is ad hominem, as the cause is definitely our over dependence on oil. we are run on money, cutting costs, etc and this is all too frequent an occurence in human history. the core problem is oil. fuck politics, we need to save the planet. i know we have extremely capable solar technologies (nano crystaly that absorb all wavelengths of sunlight) that would completely take our dependence away from some quantifiable source. but, they are too expensive. we have no reason to use oil, some just dont want their profits hampered. pretty airtight this time kernel.

          • Vinsanity

            *crystals*

          • TheKernel

            I’ll buy avarice as the basis for your argument. Using oil dependence is like using humans development of tools as an argument. If we would have never come down from the trees this wouldn’t have happened. The actual risks taken have to do with money not oil. But I see we won’t come to a consensus on this.

            Onto what I think you are actually arguing, that the price paid by our love for connivence (Americans) and whether that is worth it:

            The answer for change comes down to what people (Americans) are willing to accept. There is a certain level of lifestyle people are used to. gas going to $4 a gal was a tipping point. Well they are back to the $2.70s in the midwest. People love their cars here they want to drive everywhere. How does this change? You need to give them the same or very similar alternative or convenience. What is that the electric car? Well then you have the coal problem. Mass transport is a mess here (Milwaukee). The best part is that there is money to be made but someone needs to do it.

            Now as for alternative energy sure that needs to be done. Wind sure, solar not there yet I am for the new nuclear tech etc. Problem with solar is storage and transfer. All have their own issues.

            Personally I do what I can (I have never owned a car that gets less that 35MPG, I use LED lighting, I have a 97% energy efficient furnace, etc.).

          • Vinsanity

            well you do more than most people. im all about recycling too cuz thats yet another way we are fuckin ourselves hard. i dunno about your tool analogy, tools brought us where we are sure, but many dont have such widespread disasterous effects. you are right about the convenience thing for sure. it all comes down to how we are powering our shit, and of course we need money for that. thats why i say we shouldnt be so dependent on such a quantifiable source that we completely need replenishing. sunlight is much more difficult to control, although i see those fuckers putting us in bubbles and only allowing certain amounts of light in to “protect” us from uv. who knows, the science channel has some crazy shit man it looked like we got the solar thing down.

  • \m/Eluveitie\m/

    We should fuel our cars with Vince’s Jew hair grease.

  • Raoul Dukenstein

    Fuck your cryptofascist ass and the family money (or Ford truck) you rode in on. I’m talking to YOU, Mcgee.

    Generalizations are tr00.

  • Insomnivore

    No logic to his argument at all. I fail to see how a boycott in any way benefits the victims of this spill, which seems to be his main point for doing it. The bigger dent the company takes the longer it’ll drag it’s heels over compensation due to people and industry in the area, besides that I’m not even sure how you boycott BP as they seem to have a finger in every pie going. They could cease production for 50yrs and still be making money.

    These companies are an evil of our own creation and since they are ALL motivated by profit it was only a matter of time before one of them fucked up big time. The oil from this spill destroyed the environment and industries of the area but when you consider that most oil is tainted with blood in one way or another the best thing to do is clean up and compensate the area the best we can.

    We should put all the energy directed at BP to better use planning for an oil-free future that puts them and their kind out of business the old fashioned way. Make their product outdated and unnecessary.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ann-Allen/1565948936 Ann Allen

      Excellent idea and I sincerely agree.
      It’s just that BP is just one of the companies who own the patents on just about every conceivable alternative to oil.

  • Albatross

    I think it’s more a matter of direct/indirect causes… I mean realistically I didn’t do anything to cause that spill, the breakage and consequences of the breakage are pretty much on BP. But am I a factor in creating business for BP? Of course.

    Anyway it seems a little silly to blame people for the oil spill itself… maybe for oil consumption, but that isn’t why Davis is boycotting. =P

  • Hislocal

    so…..boycotting BP is an “overly simplistic gesture”, but suggesting that all humans should immediately stop using any form of oil is what? a really well thought out thesis?

  • columbo

    Wtf? Does Valdez sound like a place in Alaska to you?
    Exxon Valdez was the name of the tanker.
    Prince William Sound was the place.

    • Erek

      lol

      I think they renamed Prince William Sound to “Valdez” and Alaska to “Exxon”, just so people doing blogs could sound more informed.

      So, the accident with the oil occurred at Valdez, Exxon.

  • Johnny Death

    My heart goes out to all the little critters whose habitat was destroyed in the Korn/Crop Circle massacre

  • yetzer hara

    the real solution is to stop driving immediately. i know two people who sold their cars after i sold mine. you have the power to influence your peers. stop fucking driving. ride your bike. if you work within ten miles of where you live, there’s no excuse for you to get into a car or on a bus.

    we need to stop burning coal and oil. immediately. stop using plastics. immediately.

    the government needs to invest in new nuclear power plants across the country in order to get off of coal. while these nuclear plants are being built, time and money needs to be invested in renewable resources (wind, solar, tidal, hydroelectric).

    we need to get back to the fuckin’ horse. ATWA, manson family style.

    • DemonicLemming

      It’s people like you who make my head hurt. Badly. There’s so much ignorance behind your entire post, I’m not even going to bother trying to address it. Munch your organic tofu, ride your little bike around, and let intelligent people take care of the world’s problems, ok?

      • Driven9

        +1000

        some people live in their own little world.

    • Johnny Death

      Yeah, and come winter time i can hardly wait to snow shoe my ass the 8 miles each way to work i go everyday.

    • Agony

      Listen, that’s great and all if you live in Europe or one of the few massive cities in the U.S. that has a centrally-localized population and a decent mass transit infrastructure. But the fact of the matter is that most of America doesn’t live in a city like this. It is NECESSARY to drive a vehicle if you want to work.

      I agree that we should be more thoughtful about our comsumption and consumerism, but to say we should just stop driving is silly. Grinding the economy to a complete halt isn’t going to fix this.

      And by the way, some of you should take an economics class. The oil industry is NOT driven by the simple rules of supply and demand because these companies are more similar to oligopolies and monopolies than they are to free market businesses. It will take a few people that already have money to invest in the infrastructure necessary to move away from oil. All we need to figure out how to do is make them realize that there is still money to be made on a new model.

    • TonyT

      Uh Oh man, did you realize that in the time it took you to log on to your computer, get on Metalsucks, read the post and then reply, that you just made your carbon footprint even larger? SOLUTION: stop using your computer, the internet, and for that matter electricity forever! Its so simple! Thanks for being so ecofriendly yetzer!

    • Mike

      how bout stop telling people what to do with their own lives?
      i like doing what i want because i’m m,e and i’m pretty sure none of you really exist. i am god, and if i want to burn down the world, i will. stop caring so much. you aren’t real. your problems are imaginary and temporary. there’s an infinite amount of space outside of earth, go there.

  • DemonicLemming

    Christ, not this fucking hippie bullshit AGAIN.

    BP failed to have an operable emergency plan for a deep-water well blow-out. BP and Transocean failed to maintain proper maintenance records, and the US government failed to adequately ensure those maintenance records were being kept and the maintenance was being done. The government failed to properly treat the oil leak like the major problem it was from the start (and BP’s contributions to Obama’s election fund are part of the reason the government never made a big deal of the whole situation; where are Mr. Davis’s comments on THAT particular fact?) and aside from a couple witch-hunt panel meetings, the government doesn’t seem to be too interested in the whole mess. I won’t even get started on how some people kicking a ball around a field made most Americans completely forget the oil leak because it wasn’t interesting any more.

    Trying to claim that a “culture of greed” caused the oil spill is nothing but revisionist bullshit, and fits right next to pacifist anarchy and “green” food.

    • cougar party

      I just like to say it George Bush’s fault. That’s always the cool thing to do.

      • Jizzmaster3000

        Actually it partly was. Your ignorance is nothing to make jokes about.

        • cougar party

          Of course it is jizzmaster! You got it!

          Btw, don’t get all high and mighty about it. Bush was not a good president, but i am sick in tired of people (maybe you?) who think blaming bush for everything is being “politically aware”.

        • DemonicLemming

          How, exactly, was it “partly” Bush’s fault?

  • http://www.schenkeltown.com SchenkelTown

    “Davis spends a good amount of town…”

    yeah, he’s the dumb one

  • Nick

    i love that when people try to make an argument for ending oil drilling their biggest point is the use of energy. however, gasoline is only one product of crude oil. the rest of it is used for: various types of lubricants for machinery, asphalt for roads, propane, plastics, tar, paints, cleaning agents, inks and dyes, cosmetics, food additives, synthetic rubber…. these just off the top of my head from Chemistry 101 back in the day. there are tons more uses for oil that i have not listed, plus everything i did list has it’s own list of uses.

    to me, these things are all more necessities than “obsessions” which is a common phrase used when people try ban oil drilling. if Davis is going to cry about oil, then i say it’s up to him to find a single substance on earth that is both “green” and will replace everything i have just listed. solar and wind power might make wheels turn, and it might convince some people that someday we could make cars run on these things, but they will not replace any of the other uses for crude oil.

    • DemonicLemming

      Dude, nuh-UH! The only thing oil is used for is gas, so if everyone rode bikes everywhere and ate organic tofu, we wouldn’t need oil for anything! All those other things you mentioned are made out of fairy dust, and everyone knows fairies die when we use oil, so if we stopped using oil, we’d have even more fairy dust!

      /neo-hippie oil rant

    • fester

      all true. However, plastics and lubricants can be manufactured from plant-based oils pretty effectively. The question then becomes one of land use. The math involved can get scary pretty quickly. On the other hand, with the vast swaths of American farmland currently devoted to growing subsidized corn that never gets used, one would think at least a fractional shift to bio-fuels and bio-plastics would be feasible. Only marginally cleaner in terms of emissions, but much cleaner and safer in terms of production — both environmentally and politically.

      • DemonicLemming

        If private companies paid farmers more to go to bio-production crops than what the government is paying them to either not farm or to sell their crops to government agencies so they can be dumped in the ocean, it’d probably work.

        The hippies might be mad that it’s not “radical” enough, though.

    • Steve O

      Best comment I’ve read all day.

  • Burrhurr

    But what if we create a better world for nothing?

  • http://www.twistedcritic.wordpress.com Chris

    I’m scratching my head over that analogy – people can’t blame McDonald’s, because they CHOSE to eat there when they could’ve eaten at a number of equal or better food places. However we don’t have the luxury of choice when it comes to energy, because we’ve yet to find or develop something as efficient AND as cheap as oil. Sure, let’s all ride our bikes several miles to work when most of us work a lot more than 10 miles away (did you consider factors like weather?) or start boycotting bottled water and imported fruits, veggies, and fish (did you think about how many people would be out of jobs if everyone suddenly boycotted all those things?). Now THOSE are overly simplistic gestures for a very complex issue…

    • TonyT

      Hit it right on the head. +1. There’s no simple answer to this problem.

    • Dubs

      This might seem a little paranoid, but if America were to be invaded by *insertgenericevilcountryhere* it would be totally easier for them to slaughter us if we’re fleeing on bicycles.

  • Ross

    You’re stupider than Jonathan Davis.

    • DemonicLemming

      This. It’s pretty bad when you call someone out for being an idiot and, in the process, prove they’re more intelligent than you are, and given how borderline-functionally retarded Jon Davis is, that’s pretty bad.

      • TonyT

        I’d have to disagree, Vince seems smart enough and his hearts in the right place but just throwing out random generalizations on how to fix this all probably isn’t the best idea.

        • Dubs

          If he was smart enough, he’d know that these are random generalizations.

    • http://www.schenkeltown.com SchenkelTown

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  • svc181

    the analogy is off. Sure, its your fault if you eat mcdonalds all the time and become a fatass, but its not your fault if mcdonalds sets fire to their restaurant because they used a fucked up fryer or something. In the same way, greenhouse gases are our fault for using so much oil, but its not our fault that the spill happened.

  • Meathead

    I read “korn” and “mcdonalds” and skipped the article. I read “liberal” and “vegan” and decided to skip the commentary. Based on the logo and those words alone, I just assumed that korn was sponsoring a bunch of BP happy meal toys. I might have missed the point.

  • Jizzmaster3000

    Seems you just as clueless as Mr. Davis. First try looking up Dick Cheney’s oil safety dergulation during the Bush years. Then look up Halliburton’s cementing policy and Cheney’s connection to it. Then you will realise who is responsible and won’t risk embarassing yourself any further with posts as asinine as this.

  • http://heavybrutal.com/ familyghost

    korn is for homosexuhlz.

  • http://heavybrutal.com/ familyghost

    oh and vince is just as dumb as j. davis

  • Carl

    Its the Gulf of Mexico’s fault for pouring itself ontop of the oil field. If it wasn’t for that pesky water, it would’ve been an above-ground oil rig (which is no problem at all).

  • http://misterbooze.blogspot.com Mister Booze

    I have to question the sincerity of the BP protesters. How many people protest oil spills that happen in other parts of the world? Is the problem with the oil spill merely it’s presence in US waters? Or is it that the spill happened at all? If a spill of this magnitude happened in Nigeria would Korn or anyone else care?

  • johnny

    sure its easy for you to not consume oil as you live in the city.

    we need oil, and lots of it. get over it and quit crying you hippy

  • Isaac

    Your analogy is flawed, Axl. It IS, in fact, the company’s fault that the oil spill occured, seeing as it was THEIR equipment and THEIR faulty security that caused it.

    Also, we as a nation have too much of a dependence on oil to just up and use less of it. Ain’t gonna happen. I mean, I try to be as conservative with oil products as possible, but it only goes so far, you know?

  • zen dudeist

    it does seem lame for korn to boycott BP when they’re just going to buy their oil from companies that are no better. if you’re gonna have a press conference about it, your tour better be going full-on willie nelson, or else you’re just doing what the rest of us are

  • sliver

    It’s kinda sad but I think BP has more fans than Korn.

  • >_>

    I would like to point out a flaw with your argument, my penis is very hard, therefore your argument sucked, therefore you are loser, therefore all liberals are of the utmost suckitude.

  • http://infinitybasement.tumblr.com Jon

    Just thought I’d mention that some fucktard just busted another well with his tugboat. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38429966/ns/us_news-environment/

    As far as this argument goes, I recommend that we all work towards being self-sustainable and pass that on to future generations. OH also learn some form of combat art, just in case.. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zach-Kasen/1170123218 Zach Kasen

    This shit is getting annoying. And annoying at a very quick rate. The cause of the oil leak was because of lack of regulation on BP’s part to retrieve the oil properly and safely. Yes, humans are very dependent on oil. But oil does a lot more than you give it credit for. Blame those who actually caused the fucking leak. The guidelines weren’t that extremely difficult.

    I love this website, but this stuff is making it gradually harder to enjoy it. First the Arizona bill (which I’ve read more than once, and I’m still not convinced that it’s racist at all). This website should go on a more apolitical stance (as should most websites, liberal or conservative). Shoving this down the throat of the several thousand (million?) people who read this website aren’t going to keep coming back here or any other website with similar postings.

  • You Suck

    Wow, will never visit this shit-hole website again.

    Syonara rednecks.

  • You? Me?

    *yawn* ZZZzzzzzzzz….. Wait what’s that muddy sound and the springy sound, OH God it’s Korn, Why is there still posts about them is this 1998?

    Guess this the second worst thing that could happen, A rich fuck talking about oil

    Thank God Limp Bizkit isn’t putting out a new album…..OH FUCK!

  • Anthony Rose

    VINCE! u got no idea what u r talking about. dont u think u r a bit of a hypocrite trying 2 tell johnathan davis not 2 use up petrol when i bet u drive 2 work every day in your car. And i bet if johnathan davis read this he wouldn’t be too happy. The people who dissagree u should not sterotype us metalheads,we can are people as well and i bet johnathan davis and korn have achieved alot more than u have in your life time