WINDS OF PLAGUE’S JOHNNY PLAGUE: THE METALSUCKS INTERVIEW

Tuesday, October 12th, 2010 at 10:30am by

Some people turn into bellicose, impetuous boneheads at the very mention of deathcore on this site. Case in point, many wont even get past that first sentence before scrolling down to the Comments box and firing off a few foulmouthed, grammatically incorrect lines about how much it sucks and how awful I am for even bringing it up. Yet those who can restrain this impulse may very well find this interview with Winds Of Plague frontman Johnny Plague eye-opening.

Unlike the boastful meatheads that litter this scene, the man I spoke to was very down-to-earth and brutally honest when speaking about the unexpected reaction the fans had to last year’s The Great Stone War, a labyrinthine concept album crammed into a thirty-seven minute time frame. It was a bold move for the band’s second record for Century Media, and a departure that he acknowledges did not go over well. Below, Mister — not Doctor, as you’ll see — Plague, discusses how that factored into their touring behind the release, as well as his love of East Coast Hardcore and Halloween.

Thanks for taking some time to chat with me today. Your voicemail said something about a medical office. Are you some sort of doctor?

[laughs] No, I get so many telemarketer calls that I just tell them it’s a doctor’s line that way they don’t call back.

That’s a pretty smart move actually.

If they do call, I just yell at them that it’s a doctor’s line. When they call back later, they get the voicemail and take me off their list.

So now that The Great Stone War has been out for a little over a year, how do you feel about the record?

I’m happy with it. It’s what we set out to do, and what we wanted to create. I don’t think it was accepted by our fan base as well as I was hoping for. At the end of the day, it got us to where we needed to be.

What do you think the issue is with your fan base about it?

I just think it went over their heads a little too much. There was a lot to fully grasp what’s going on. To get the whole picture you have to sit there and listen to it a few times and read along with the lyrics to get the whole concept. A lot of people, especially with so many bands today, they just kind of give it a quick listen and if it doesn’t grasp their attention right away, they just move on.

What’s interesting about that is that you guys have been on the road touring quite a bit for the record all over the world. How’s the response been when they’re treated as individual songs [in a live set]?

What’s funny about that whole thing is we only play one song off of that record.

Really? Wow.

That’s all. So we just pulled one song; the one we thought translated live best and stuck that in the set. The first tour we did once the record came out, we played about four or five songs. It was a big drag. Every time it just dragged until we got to the older stuff. We cut those out pretty quickly.

How is that informing your process for the work on this new record?

It’s kind of an eye opener. I think that happens with a lot of bands. They’ll put out a record that everybody loves, and the next one, not so much… We wrote songs, but we didn’t dumb them down by any means, but as far as musically we took into account that we needed to have energy in them. They have hooks that people will catch onto and stuff like that. It’s a lot more structure conscious when we were writing these songs.

Is this one also a concept album like the last one or is that another thing you scaled back?

I did that, got it out of my system.

You’ve got a European tour lined up for next month, right? It seems like you guys have been on the road quite a bit. Doesn’t it get kind of exhausting?

It can. Right now this is what we worked for. We joined forces in high school so we’re just going for it still. As far as touring goes, iI feel more at home on the road these days than when I do when I’m home. When I’m home, I’m just bored. Right now it’s nice because we’re recording. Other than that, we’re really just itching to get back out on the road. I’m pretty excited for that Europe tour.

Are you guys going to be premiering new material out on the European tour?

We had Mattie [Montgomery] from For Today do guest vocals on a song, so we’ll probably be playing that song on the Europe tour since he’ll be there. So he can sing that live.

I write a lot about hardcore for this site. I’m trying to get a sense is how much of an influence hardcore has had on you as a musician.

I’m a hardcore kid at heart, and I grew up predominantly going to hardcore shows. As far as the music goes, I definitely feel like that kind of comes through here and there. I don’t think I have the most hardcore-suitable voice, but I do try to mix it in a little bit, especially on this new record. I think it has a lot more of it than any of the past had as far as hardcore riffs and whatnot go. I don’t know. It’s what I listen to. That’s what I love, it’s hardcore.

How did you first get into that stuff? What groups got you into hardcore?

I live on the West Coast, but for whatever reason, I got more exposed to the East Coast type stuff. I love Madball, it’s my favorite band — one of them. Hatebreed as well. Hatebreed is probably one of the first bands that I got into. I went to a Dropkick Murphys show and Blood for Blood was playing. It was probably all over from there. That was the last time I think they came to the West Coast. Then Ramallah came around, and we got really into them. It just kept spiraling.

That Ramallah record is great, the last one they did.

I don’t know what’s going on, but they need to put out another one.

It’s weird because they’re doing that Blood for Blood reunion, but [Rob Lind is] not part of it.

Yeah, Rob’s not in it for whatever reason.

Apparently they can’t reach him or convince him. I don’t really know. It seems odd.

I’d go in a heartbeat to see them without him, but it would be cool to see them with him at some point.

Just to shift gears a bit, Halloween’s coming up. Are you planning anything special?

I’m working at Knott’s Berry Farm right now, like a big Halloween scene par-tay. Trying to juggle that and recording at the same time. It’s kind of a headache.

Was it a big holiday for you when you were a kid?

It’s one I always looked forward to, you know, putting on a costume and fucking around. I always liked it as a kid, but for whatever reason as I got older I appreciated it more. Now my entire apartment looks like it’s Halloween year round.

[laughs] I guess you’re going to get trick-or-treaters and all that?

I don’t know. This is my first Halloween in this apartment. I don’t know how crazy it gets around here.

You can charge admission. [laughs]

That’s what I should do. That’s a good idea.

It’ll help pay for studio time.

Winds Of Plague’s latest album, The Great Stone War, is out now on Century Media.

-GS

  • Bicro

    “Labyrinthine concept album?”

    ….really now?

    • David

      Freud said that the Labyrinth is the unconscious symbol for anal birth.

      Just throwing that out there…

      • Anthony

        Freud was a douche

  • NoNameNoSlogan
  • http://www.myspace.com/signorojoswe Kaffebaggel

    I’m not sure, as i just scrolled down to the Comments box to fire off a few foulmouthed, grammatically incorrect lines about how much this sucks and how awful you are for even bringing it up, but i think i detect a certain lack of sarcasm in this post and thought i’d remedy that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Gross/1569840018 Jeff Gross

    Thanks to Sarge, there is now the question of whether or not you just made up this “interview” out of thin air, because this band isn’t “legit metal ya’ll”.

    Great job!

  • Eddie Von Fuckenstein

    I think generally that the “foulmouthed comments…about how much it sucks and how awful [you are] for even bringing it up”, are generally grammatically fine.

    Check it out:

    This fucking sucks and you are fucking awful for even bringing it up.

    That’s a good sentence, is it not? I’m really not a big fan of adverbs but the first “fucking” works well in this context. Further, the second “fucking” is used efficiently as a adjectival modifier for “awful” to make the point stick.

    • Nathan

      Indeed.

    • Buht Secks Robotz

      You missed a comma in there somewhere, broski. Just Sayin’…

  • Cryzthormagnusian

    Over thier heads? Are thier fans midgets?

    Best part of this interview…the Blood for Blood and Ramallah references. However, you are not scoring any scene points this round.

    • AetherJake

      Their fans are a bunch of meathead hardcore douches. HURR DURR I’M TOUGH BREE BREE BREE DUN DUN DUN.

      • Adam

        Yep – every single one of their fans are meathead hardcore douches. Every one.
        /s

  • http://twitter.com/stuffuwillhate Sergeant D

    Johnny is a solid dude and their last album was a very good technical, symphonic death metal record. Highly underrated.

    • Andy Synn

      He might well be a cool dude, can’t really tell in print, but the band (and that album) are a bad mash-up of influences that haven’t developed properly and that don’t sit well together at all.

      I’m not saying stop trying to meld disparate influences together, but the deathcore+hardcore+black metal+symphonic mix just DOES NOT work. Some things just don’t sit well together, and the tough-guy hardcore moments and beatdowns ruin any sense of atmosphere that might otherwise have been created by the symphonic death-metal moments. I wouldn’t call it particularly “technical” either, not as a distinctive feature – I mean yes, they can play, but surely you should only use “technical” to define something if it’s going above-and-beyond the call of duty in that regard?

      If it helps, I don’t see deathcore as a dirty word, it’s just unfortunately been inundated by dick-heads with high opinions of themselves and low ambition, both as bands and fans. There are still good bands who play the style.

      • Cryzthormagnusian

        I agree. I’ve only heard Decimate the Weak and it’s obvious that they are attempting to smash too many influeneces together and not succeeding. It’s like every song has to sound like three different songs.

      • HARRYDICKERSON

        I always thought their latest album was pretty good. I liked it a lot more than Decimate the Weak. As for your comment, I think it applies more to Decimate the Weak than The Great Stone War. They seemed to really tone down the tough-guy-hardcore bits and go for the symphonic death metal sound. A few hardcore elements are still there, but not too much that it ruins the symphonic side.
        As a result it all fits together better, and it doesn’t confuse the hell out of me like Decimate the Weak did. However I’m pretty sure that’s why their fans hate it.
        I never really sorted them as a hardcore band anyways.

    • Trev

      Sarcasm right?
      Because from what I’ve heard from them, Winds of Plague is surely not death metal.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Alexander/1092891172 Ben Alexander

      Wait, “very good” and “symphonic death metal”, isn’t that an oxymoron?

      • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

        lol fair enough! They are one of the very, very few bands who do it well IMO

  • AetherJake

    After a long attempt at taking the lead in worst writer for this site, Sarge’s efforts are found to be in vain, as Gary leaves him in the dust with this one.

    • Eddie Von Fuckenstein

      We’ll have to agree to disagree on the RATM thing, but you nailed this!

      +1

  • ThePhilosopher

    What? CUBONE is evolving!

    • Strapping Young Lad

      hehe, nice.

  • andy morales

    hmmm kinda smart with doctor office thing i got sum telemakters bothering me

  • Steph

    ‘firing off a few foulmouthed, grammatically incorrect lines’

    Nah, you’re thinkning of deathcore fans here. It really is a totally worthless genre.

  • http://www.myspace.com/barbelzoa Lordassenfroth

    why, does’ any one ? care * about fucking – : grammer; its like saying, guitarist who dont know their scales are to be thought less off, and we know thats bullshit. a good riff is a good riff. just like’ a good point * is a : good point.

    • plusoneintellect

      why do you care about anyone caring about fucking – : grammer; ?
      YOU DONE GOOFED!

      • http://www.myspace.com/barbelzoa Lordassenfroth

        try harder next time

        • plusoneintellect

          no thanks, your shitty comment didn’t warrant it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Quentin-Wilkins/100001046551530 Quentin Wilkins

    I’m a big fan of mash-ups when pulled off well. Deathcore has its moments, but I unfortunately have a knack for judging bands in a different light after I see what the members look like. Not always, but the hardcore “Hey, I’ll fight you and the unseen ninja at the same time, motherfucker!” scene-itutde is the ultimate form of retarded (not counting real retardation). Music may be good, but I still hate fucks like that. But, if I can hate Varg and love Burzum, I’m pretty sure I can put aside the fact that most hardcore guys are tools and still listen to -core music on occasion.

  • John

    There are some really good deathcore bands out there.

    Winds of Plague is ALMOST one of them.

  • ITTOA666

    This band sucks.

  • Trev

    It’s real funny how when people write articles on deathcore, they always start by insulting the people who don’t like them. Is this some lame way to stop people from stating their opinions on a band that they consider to be unworthy of mention by a heavy metal website?

    Face it, Winds of Plague is a weak band. They write repetitive, cliched music that completely relies on breakdowns as a source of heaviness, just like every other trendhopping deathcore band. On top of that, they insist on adding a pathetic rap influence to their lyrics, as seen here:

    TONIGHT… THE WORLD IS OURS!
    What the fuck is up motherfuckers?
    This is Winds Of Plague and all that 2008 shit.
    We’ve got the world in the palm of our hands.
    Busters fall down when we’re barking commands.
    Atlas ain’t got shit on our steez.
    Kick out the chair and get on your knees.

    I understand why this band is on the website. All of the larger record companies are releasing this junk, and they pay the bills. But don’t insult the fans who are committed to keeping the spirit of metal alive while you try to tear it down. We have just as much a right to say our opinions as you do, and a large portion of metal fans dislike deathcore and will continue to do so to it inevitably fades away like nu-metal and metalcore before it.

    • Kye

      Those aren’t seriously lyrics to one of their songs are they?

      • Trev

        yah those are the first few lines of lyrics to reloaded by Winds of Plague. Its even more ridiculous when u hear how they say it. Look it up on youtube.

        • Cryzthormagnusian

          Those lyrics are pretty damn ridiculous. They sounded like they were trying to pull off the same thing that One Life Crew and Pitboss 2000 used to do, except those bands managed to not sound quite as dumb.

    • Eddie Von Fuckenstein

      They should consider touring with Five Finger Death Punch. They could do, like, Wrestlemania, and maybe come through midwestern trailer parks and stuff so me and Bubba can get it on Slamz-style. Yeah. Pass me that quart o’ Schlitz!

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      I addressed all of this in the interview I did with Johnny like 2 years ago. He LOLs at those lyrics just as much as you do– I, on the other hand, think they are fucking sweet!! That’s my favorite WOP song by far, so fucking good.

      • Dave D

        Yeah, that song and WOP are fucking great.

  • Watt Par

    You instantly make me hate you every time you try to qualify something you do with “Man, I bet everyone who reads this is a dumbass; you’re not like that are you?” It’s pathetic.

  • Deth

    How’s this for a brilliant idea – STOP PUTTING BANDS INTO CRAPPY, MADE UP SUBEGENRES AND LISTEN TO WHAT SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU!

    I know, I know, it’s a *gasp* moment but sometimes someone just has to state the obvious because it’s been diluted by the need to give a band a label then immediately put them down for being a part of that label. Pointless IMO.

    Like what you like, seems pretty simple to me. If others don’t share that taste, well, welcome to metal.

    • Cryzthormagnusian

      That’s just silly logic.

    • http://deathmetalbaboon.com/ byrd36

      Thanks for the sanity Deth. I’ve noticed after 27 years of listening to metal that people on the “outside” think it all sounds the same anyway and most people here come off as winy bitches. I guess it is easy to forget that music is subjective art.

  • Justin Gosnell

    Regardless of whether you like their music or not-Johnny IS a super nice guy-extremely down to earth. I toured with them for a few weeks (I’m the anal cavity that did the stupid proposal prank) and really, he’s a SUPER nice guy. Actually all of them are. There’s a lot to be said for that. Most of the bands you meet on the road REALLY are douchebags and hard to deal with….and upon finding that out it really makes me like each artist a little less. When I think about meeting someone in person, like Danny Carey for instance-who was THE nicest dude ever and plays fucking sold our arenas-then you meet some dude in a metal band that’s selling like 200 tickets per show and they act like God…doesn’t make sense to me. But yeah-Johnny’s an awesome fella.

    I don’t listen to much heavy music anymore but they killed it live night after night. I’d say go see them live and give em a chance.

    • plusoneintellect

      +1 for mentioning danny carey

  • Colin

    This band makes me wanna stick ice picks in my ears very very deep

    • Sin and Death

      Ice Pick Ear Lobotomy. Good song title.

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      Colin, you should do it!

  • Alex_P

    Fuck u dude, WoP fukin suck! Gary is teh wors thing to happen tp Metalskucs ever, and I’m not coming back today. You lose money!

    Did I do it right?
    (Although seriously, this band does suck. I’m just a good sport.)

  • Isaac

    This fucking sucks.
    Deathcore fucking sucks and you are awful for bringing it up.
    Laughed my way through the whole interview.

  • simon

    deathcore is shit, i dont care if you think thats crude, i have never heard a deathcore band with talent. its pop music, music for the masses

    • http://deathmetalbaboon.com/ byrd36

      Have you ever heard what the masses listen to?

      • John

        TRUTH.

        Most rappers can’t even rap live because it’s all spliced together in the studio (Lil’ Wayne, yes I’ve seen the proof).

        At the very LEAST, deathcore drummers can still blast live…

  • Baron

    This Johnny fellow actually seems like a pretty chill guy. When I saw his picture I expected him to be a total dick, because I like to judge people.

    • http://twitter.com/stuffuyouwillhate Sergeant D

      I also enjoy judging people. Johnny is a nice guy. His haircut is fucking gay though :(

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Gross/1569840018 Jeff Gross

        do people get mad when MS posts three page long interviews with people that never actually happened?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mathieu-Martin/649451074 Mathieu Martin

    The Breathing Process everyone?

  • mikec

    Don’t backtrack on WOP’s progress just because some of the “bros” didn’t grasp the concept. WOP was just starting to get good. If I hear any “Reloaded”-type songs on the new album, I’m giving up on this band.

  • horseFUCKabortion

    I don’t mind Winds of Plague all that much…you guys are pretty much some of the biggest cry babies ever though… On a side note…I saw Whitechapel last weekend and was amazed at how well ALL the vocalists sounded…and I can’t understand how anyone can bash these bands like you all do…pussies

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mikey-Ck-Vanderjunk/502827008 Mikey Ck Vanderjunk

    its too bad bands feel this way about enw records

    th fans dont listen to more than 2 minutes of it, and drag their asses at a live show.
    fucking hroseshit

    i thought it was an AMAZING album, and they should keep moving with a new record.

    they better not give into these ideas they have floating in their head about how they need to change their style or something stupid

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Peter-Melendres/100001486658938 Peter Melendres

    I HATE MY… GENERATION!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Sterner/1335958279 Andrew Sterner

    I’ll say this. I HATE metalcore. The whole genre makes me want rap-metal back. I know what I’m saying here fyi.

    However, I did listen to a couple of these guys’ songs…and I didn’t try chainsaw suicide. I didn’t love it, it’s not my thing. BUT, it’s tolerable in small doses. So good job to these guys on that album.

  • Joe

    I would hope you know what you’re saying, FYI.