CH-CH-CH-CHANGES: WHY BANDS YOU LIKE START SUCKING (PART 1 OF 6: QUALITY OF LIFE)

Monday, August 29th, 2011 at 3:30pm by

How could they—how could they do this?! And to you of all people—

You, who so loyally downloaded each of their album leaks; you, who mobbed them outside their tour bus to plug your band they didn’t want to hear about at 1:45 in the morning; and, of course, you, who left an elitist comment on an MS thread about how KVLT they used to be and how nothing they’ve done recently is worth a damn—What nerve!

Bands change, and as human beings we’re hardwired to resist that. But deep down, in our own girly, paradoxical way, we sort of look for it, too. Ambivalence aside, if you were to investigate the primary reasons as to why the majority of the groups you like head south (not on tour), it would likely come down to the fact that they did actually change things. What you thought wasn’t broken they tried to fix anyway and now you’re left with an annoying buzz and a whole bunch of spare parts.

We go about saying “oh that band ‘sold out’” or “they used to be good, but now they’re just a bunch of pussycats.” But that’s not really all that descriptive. Music nerds love to complain, not explain, and maybe that’s the problem here. In this series we will explore the leading factors in a band’s artistic decline and examine just why it is that your rock gods of yester-year are now the radio slobs you can’t bear to hear.

Without further a do, Part 1!

1) Quality of Life ⇑ (up arrow)

It isn’t hard for musicians in rock or metal to write about problems, heartache, and all sorts of negativity because, well, you pretty much set yourself up for all of that when you chose such a futile path. Your friends will be alienated by your promotional whoring, you won’t have the money to pay rent, you’ll be living in grimy motels for weeks on end, and your girlfriend (provided that you have one) will probably think that your goals are immature and dump your ass at some point.

That’s a whole lot of negativity to draw on, and certainly more than a few great songs have been written about such hardships, but what happens when the well runs dry?

Your band, despite the nay saying of some familiars, has actually gone somewhere. You’ve sold your fair share of records, you’ve got a family you can afford to support, and you’ve even got a nice little house out in the country you like to pretend you grew up in. Do people seriously expect you to keep writing about pains in your brain or cold blood freezing your arterial walls?

You may have been a bald angry guy back in the day who whined over a few power chords about how mom and dad just didn’t get you…

… but you’re a changed man now. You’d rather sing about friends, family and a sudden appreciation for politically conservative views. And what’s wrong with that?

You may have been the second best thing resembling Alice in Chains on the Spider Man 1 soundtrack…

… (Jerry Cantrell was also featured on the compilation), but now radio ballads just feel so right:

I mean, heck your band can start off like this…

… and go all “posi” with no warning:

(Let it be said, though, that Anathema’s latest album is actually pretty good, minus some cheesy moments.)

All Music Guide will applaud your group’s bold decision to relinquish whatever emotion or unique characteristics you once had in favor of finally growing up. Your ex-girlfriend totally wants you back now.

It’s a sad, but understandable circumstance. Even Trent knew he couldn’t go on angsting us forever, and the happily married 46 year-old appropriately pulled the plug on NIN before any damage could be done (although How To Destroy Angels hasn’t exactly been butterflies and jellybeans either).

Of course, you can sidestep this problem altogether as Chino Moreno once gleaned in a pre-Diamond Eyes interview with Spin Magazine:

I don’t like listening to people’s problems — I like music. Music has been smothered with that complaining since the early-’90s. It gets old. Instead of going to the opposite side of the spectrum and listening to Black Eyed Peas, which is just straight silly, I choose to listen to more instrumental music. I do very little singing about myself on this record. I love songs where I can totally take myself out of being human. I can sing about really odd things, and they don’t necessarily have to pertain to me at all. It paints a picture. Those are the kind of lyrics I grew up with — like the Cure. Really visual images and no storytelling.

-William Goodman, In the Studio: Deftones, February 2010.

I guess if you can moan seductively about dots on the wall and strange shapes on the ceiling you’re set. Then again, not every band can put out a Diamond Eyes six albums into their career.

-BS

  • OLD

    Sweet read.

  • OLD

    Sweet read.

  • mtayl339

    People in bands change and grow up, just like all people change. It’s the fans’ fault for getting all butthurt about it, especially since there are more than enough newer, hungrier bands to listen to once our old favourites start sucking.

  • mtayl339

    People in bands change and grow up, just like all people change. It’s the fans’ fault for getting all butthurt about it, especially since there are more than enough newer, hungrier bands to listen to once our old favourites start sucking.

  • Anonymous

    The underground supports them at first in it’s no-monetary value, but serious kvlt cred way.

    Then they realize more people like hooks and clean singing, so they begin to change into that “crossover band”, still maintaining some underground fans but making new, dumbass angry guy/girl fans.

    This stage is a critical one because you loose all your kvlt points and there’s no turning back at that point. So, you better be cleaning up that image and getting some pre-teens to swoon over you at that point.

  • Anonymous

    The underground supports them at first in it’s no-monetary value, but serious kvlt cred way.

    Then they realize more people like hooks and clean singing, so they begin to change into that “crossover band”, still maintaining some underground fans but making new, dumbass angry guy/girl fans.

    This stage is a critical one because you loose all your kvlt points and there’s no turning back at that point. So, you better be cleaning up that image and getting some pre-teens to swoon over you at that point.

  • Anonymous

    The underground supports them at first in it’s no-monetary value, but serious kvlt cred way.

    Then they realize more people like hooks and clean singing, so they begin to change into that “crossover band”, still maintaining some underground fans but making new, dumbass angry guy/girl fans.

    This stage is a critical one because you loose all your kvlt points and there’s no turning back at that point. So, you better be cleaning up that image and getting some pre-teens to swoon over you at that point.

  • Guest

    Think of how much The Beatles changed there sound within the span of less than a decade, and how they are applauded for that. Maybe the key to alter your sound is to wait too long between albums, like TOOL, where fans forget what you sounded like on the last album.

  • Guest

    Think of how much The Beatles changed there sound within the span of less than a decade, and how they are applauded for that. Maybe the key to alter your sound is to wait too long between albums, like TOOL, where fans forget what you sounded like on the last album.

    • fuktarded

      The Beatles were moving AWAY from the mainstream AND taking the mainstream with them! There’s a huge difference between that and going from Alive or Just Breathing to Killswitch Engage (special edition!) for example!

    • fuktarded

      The Beatles were moving AWAY from the mainstream AND taking the mainstream with them! There’s a huge difference between that and going from Alive or Just Breathing to Killswitch Engage (special edition!) for example!

  • Guest

    Think of how much The Beatles changed there sound within the span of less than a decade, and how they are applauded for that. Maybe the key to alter your sound is to wait too long between albums, like TOOL, where fans forget what you sounded like on the last album.

  • Schemm4a

    My god, Diamond Eyes is an AMAZING record! Deftones are one of the few bands that truly stayed original, kept to the unique sound they had crafted and perfected it.

  • Schemm4a

    My god, Diamond Eyes is an AMAZING record! Deftones are one of the few bands that truly stayed original, kept to the unique sound they had crafted and perfected it.

  • Afkeefe07

    “Then again, not every band can put out a ’Diamond Eyes’ six albums into their career.”
    ‘Nuff said.

  • Afkeefe07

    “Then again, not every band can put out a ’Diamond Eyes’ six albums into their career.”
    ‘Nuff said.

  • Joe LaForm

    I don’t want to listen to the same album over and over again. If I did, I’d be a bigger fan of AC/DC. Not taking anything away from them, but it is what it is. I don’t think any band has really started to,suck, except for a very small few. They evolve. And if they don’t, then it starts to suck. How many times can you sing about what thing or put slight changes to the same riffs?

  • Joe LaForm

    I don’t want to listen to the same album over and over again. If I did, I’d be a bigger fan of AC/DC. Not taking anything away from them, but it is what it is. I don’t think any band has really started to,suck, except for a very small few. They evolve. And if they don’t, then it starts to suck. How many times can you sing about what thing or put slight changes to the same riffs?

  • Matt S

    Who the fuck is this bozo?

  • Matt S

    Who the fuck is this bozo?

  • SourDeez

    Deftones has to be one of the only bands that actually got better. They started out as kind of a nu-metal band, albeit a very good one, and became one of the most original acts around. I also like Anathema’s newer sound, despite its lack of real originality. Sure, they sound like Porcupine Tree fucked Radiohead, but both of those bands are awesome…

    • http://apintfordionysus.wordpress.com/ Grotusque

      While I think that’s true, Chino is off his tree when he suggests that the Cure wasn’t singing about their own problems.

      I mean, holy shit their whole career is based on plumbing the depths of sadness because some relationship isn’t working out.

      But the Deftones as a band also had the luxury of being popular doing what they were doing, so the only way to keep things interesting was to move away from the center of popularity–and moving keeps music interesting.

      Contrast that with Metallica who had nowhere else to go after Justice in the thrash world, so what was left? Pop metal. I don’t blame them (much) for that, because they have to do what’s interesting to them but it didn’t make for very compelling music, for the most part.

    • http://apintfordionysus.wordpress.com/ Grotusque

      While I think that’s true, Chino is off his tree when he suggests that the Cure wasn’t singing about their own problems.

      I mean, holy shit their whole career is based on plumbing the depths of sadness because some relationship isn’t working out.

      But the Deftones as a band also had the luxury of being popular doing what they were doing, so the only way to keep things interesting was to move away from the center of popularity–and moving keeps music interesting.

      Contrast that with Metallica who had nowhere else to go after Justice in the thrash world, so what was left? Pop metal. I don’t blame them (much) for that, because they have to do what’s interesting to them but it didn’t make for very compelling music, for the most part.

  • SourDeez

    Deftones has to be one of the only bands that actually got better. They started out as kind of a nu-metal band, albeit a very good one, and became one of the most original acts around. I also like Anathema’s newer sound, despite its lack of real originality. Sure, they sound like Porcupine Tree fucked Radiohead, but both of those bands are awesome…

  • http://twitter.com/vyrm j isaac

    sargent d?

  • http://twitter.com/vyrm j isaac

    sargent d?

  • http://www.facebook.com/albert.witchfinder Albert Witchfinder

    Cheesy moments? Anathema’s We’re Here Because We’re Here was one of the best records of 2010, and it was a really good year. And now they return with Falling Deeper… which is even more haunting and atmospheric. True gold.
    And thank god we have Deftones, luckily they made a lot of people turn away from that drowning pool (pun intended) which was the 90s and early 2000s mainstream “Metal” with their awesome music.

  • http://www.facebook.com/albert.witchfinder Albert Witchfinder

    Cheesy moments? Anathema’s We’re Here Because We’re Here was one of the best records of 2010, and it was a really good year. And now they return with Falling Deeper… which is even more haunting and atmospheric. True gold.
    And thank god we have Deftones, luckily they made a lot of people turn away from that drowning pool (pun intended) which was the 90s and early 2000s mainstream “Metal” with their awesome music.

  • ACoffinShip

    I think it would be interesting to hold up bands that HAVEN’T started to suck and have bucked the trend alongside the ones who have really tanked over the years.  Say what you will about Rush, but they’ve pretty consistently put out albums that are decent at worst.  They completely reinvented their sound on several occasions while still being enjoyable and even though some of their most recent albums can be a LITTLE bit of a slog there’s still some killer songs in there.

    I don’t think bands need to stay ALL GLOOMY ALL THE TIME or bonecrushingly hard with filthy production.  Mastodon’s undergone quite a change since Remission and I’m as excited for The Hunter as I was for Blood Mountain at the height of my fandom.

    Honestly I think it’s less to do with getting comfortable and more to do with getting tired.  With some bands it legitimately feels like all the passion’s been bled away and all that’s left is a 9 to 5.  Like post-Octavarium Dream Theater.

  • ACoffinShip

    I think it would be interesting to hold up bands that HAVEN’T started to suck and have bucked the trend alongside the ones who have really tanked over the years.  Say what you will about Rush, but they’ve pretty consistently put out albums that are decent at worst.  They completely reinvented their sound on several occasions while still being enjoyable and even though some of their most recent albums can be a LITTLE bit of a slog there’s still some killer songs in there.

    I don’t think bands need to stay ALL GLOOMY ALL THE TIME or bonecrushingly hard with filthy production.  Mastodon’s undergone quite a change since Remission and I’m as excited for The Hunter as I was for Blood Mountain at the height of my fandom.

    Honestly I think it’s less to do with getting comfortable and more to do with getting tired.  With some bands it legitimately feels like all the passion’s been bled away and all that’s left is a 9 to 5.  Like post-Octavarium Dream Theater.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cleber-Monteiro/100000392246968 Cleber Monteiro

    Well… some bands change, some never change at all. I guess you gotta respect the artist’s decision either way. If you like the new stuff, that’s ok. If you don’t, just go listen to something else. Even sucking, somebody will eventually be getting into it, and they just migh happen to not like that band’s previous albums.

  • drunksteve

    Changing sounds and sucking ass because you ran dry of creativity are different things. Also,stained were never good,despite what mudshovel jockers would tell you.

  • Brian Kessler

    You completely neglected the bands that change sounds but still try to be angsty and angry. The Haunted’s “Unseen” comes to mind. And also In Flames…I’ll admit I kinda like “Playground” but nobody (self included) will argue it sounds anything like the music of their heyday.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jacob.lyon1 Jacob Lyon

    not many bands can pull off what the Deftones have done. Every record of theirs is solid and Chino is a badass with another side to him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jacob.lyon1 Jacob Lyon

    not many bands can pull off what the Deftones have done. Every record of theirs is solid and Chino is a badass with another side to him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jacob.lyon1 Jacob Lyon

    not many bands can pull off what the Deftones have done. Every record of theirs is solid and Chino is a badass with another side to him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamal-Mohmed/663730590 Jamal Mohmed

    I wish groups would just rename their new sound as another band. Usually the band is formed with a specific vision that carries until the mood dies off, as this article so well describes, so when the sound is totally revamped it just seems like it should be considered a whole other project to me. Not to mention it would make conversation so much easier. The exception being a band vision formed with the intention of diversity, like Devin Townsend’s latest group.

    Unfortunately I’m sure it’s much more wise financially to keep the audience you already gained than promote a new project.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamal-Mohmed/663730590 Jamal Mohmed

    I wish groups would just rename their new sound as another band. Usually the band is formed with a specific vision that carries until the mood dies off, as this article so well describes, so when the sound is totally revamped it just seems like it should be considered a whole other project to me. Not to mention it would make conversation so much easier. The exception being a band vision formed with the intention of diversity, like Devin Townsend’s latest group.

    Unfortunately I’m sure it’s much more wise financially to keep the audience you already gained than promote a new project.

  • Enemyofgod72

    Bands/Artists change over time yes but some change for the better and some change for the worse. I like listening to a band from the beginning and see how they mature or don’t over time. Gojira is a band I’ve followed recently and I hope they keep bringin the heavy. I was with Metallica at the beginning and though I expected them to lose that teenage angst just as I did, they stayed with that douche Bob Rock for way too long and now that can’t remember how to play thrash. You see the change take place usually when a band has some commercial success with an album and the studio gets them to record that same album over and over again. True artists maintain their integrity regardless of how much success they have. I know a lot of people shit on Slayer on this site but you can’t say they have ever sold out other than every stadium they play in. True artists don’t do this for the money they do it for the art, a perfect example for me would be Tool. They have always done what they want regardless of the fans, the label or what anyone else may have wanted them to do. True artists are rare and even rarer are teh artists who stay artists whether they are making money or not.

  • Z00ber

    “What you thought wasn’t broken they tried to fix anyway”

    Exactly. I have “lost” so many great bands to change. The problem is that everybody likes each band for a different reason, and different periods of the band appeal to different people. I hate everything Mastodon did before Crack the Skye, but CtS is one of my all-time favorite albums. I fear that The Hunter is going to go back to their screamy, unmelodic, “heavy for the sake of being heavy” period. Others, however, are looking for more heaviness out of them. Who’s right? In the end, sadly, it seems that whatever sells most is right, as it appeals to the maximum number of fans, who are voting with their wallets.

    And don’t get me started on Metallica. What a tragedy. I’m just glad Cliffy didn’t live to see it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=500736595 Kyle Walker

    I feel like this article should be required reading for any (current or former) black tide fan

  • srsly

    God I love the Deftones.

  • srsly

    God I love the Deftones.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonah-Livingston/691824296 Jonah Livingston

    How the hell are you going to write about good bands getting shitty and not mention In Flames, Soilwork, METALLICA (!) or any of the hundred other metal acts that were ground breaking right before hitting the fan? Staind were NEVER good, or metal for that matter.. and who the fuck thought the slipknot dude’s emotional rock band would be anything but shitty from start to finish.

  • Atomusstar

    Sorry to keep this so Deftones centric. But i was pretty disappointed in diamond eyes. aside from rocket skates, and a few other tracks. A few of the songs sounded like they just reused riffs from around the fur or something. But i cant wait for the next release eros or whatever it may be.

    Im only posting cause i actually listened to the four songs i liked off of diamond eyes on the way to work this morning! F)*&%(&^ deftones RUL!