• Anso DF

Earlier today you read former Cro-Mags bassist Harley Flanagan’s retelling of the recent ruckus at a Cro-Mags show in New York that left two current members of the band stabbed.

In an email to MetalSucks this morning, Cro-Mags vocalist John Joseph offers a very different version of events [all sic]:

My response to Harley’s version … He’s been watching too many sci-fi movies.

It’s amazing that this dude is trying to play the victim now. First off, Harley was NOT invited to the show; he was told repeatedly by CBGBs NOT to come. (I have all the texts and e-mails to CBGBs and security.)

He was given a CBGBs laminate [for] another event (American Hardcore screening) and then used it to sneak into the show. And if he wanted to talk and resolve things as he claims, why didn’t he come before doors where we could of taken care of any beef he had? No, he just wanted to come on the stage during show and try and do something to gain press – well he got his press alright.

At 6 pm, he texted Louise (CBGBs) and asked her what time we were going on. She didn’t respond, but warned me. I alerted security to let them deal with it — I had a show to do. [Flanegan] showed up 20 minutes before, hid in the crowd outside our dressing room door with a backpack and a KNIFE, never knocking on our door and saying “Yo guys… Can we talk?” He was also heard ranting outside that he was putting a stop to us playing his music (his music?). And, while sitting outside our door, [a fan told Flanegan] that he doesn’t care about the beef, that he attends both Harley’s War shows and Cro-Mags shows, and that he was just a fan of the music; Harley’s response to [the fan]: ‘Yeah, well, fuck you. Some shit’s about to go down, so if you don’t wanna be involved, keep fucking walking.’

[Flanegan has] told people that I was in the dressing room when it all went down, making it look like I set him up, when a thousand people saw me on stage ready to play. Look, here’s the Bottom Line: Security was told to come up and they never did. So knowing this dude always carries weapons and [that] his plan was obviously to use the laminate to gain access to the stage while we played, and hearing what he was ranting that night, [and] also remembering the whole Dimebag Darrell situation … As we were on stage about to go on, he was asked by Mike [“The Gook” Couls] to come in the dressing room. When Harley was grabbed to be searched for weapons, the fight ensued and those three took him down, [then] he pulled a knife and began stabbing people. When security finally arrived he wouldn’t drop the knife and THEY banged him up not those three. Again: dozens of witnesses.

Look if you got beef, a show with women and children on stage ain’t the place to bring it. I believe those three stopped a much worse situation [in which] kids who were on stage could have got hurt. And no one snitched — I refused to talk to the cops. Unfortunately for [Flanegan,] its a criminal case so no one has to press charges cuz he did that shit in a public venue. We have a way of dealing with matters — its called “Street Justice” — you pull a knife, I pull a pipe and smash your face in. And I did have a pipe on stage btw knowing this dude can’t really fight and always has a weapon as I said.

DMS are not thugs, so the new jacks who weren’t even around long enough to remember their past and [have] said that … Keep your mouths shut. For the last ten years plus they have been security at shows stopping violence, even promoting the BNB Bowl and other events where there is NEVER violence. If they had been doing security that night Harley would have never got in and ALL of this could have been avoided.

And only Mike is DMS, not the other two, and anyone who REALLY knows him (not you Keyboard Commandos talking crap anonymously) will attest to the fact that he’s the nicest dude in the world and NEVER starts trouble. The other one is a veteran who tried to get the knife away from Harley, the other just a friend of the band. And Mike (Harley’s replacement) was the one who got stabbed first. Bottom line: He was told not to come, he showed up right before we went on, he made threats, and then he stabbed people. End of story.

We will make up the show with [Sick Of It All] as we are discussing another date now, but I wanted to set the record straight. Sure, obviously anyone who knows the past (it’s all in my book The Evolution of a Cro-Magnon) knows he has a problem with me. He talks shit all the time — I do not. But he knows my bell and where I live. He NEVER rang it once — I told him we can go to the East River and resolve any issues. He refused.

So if you wanna believe all the lies and b.s. that dude posts on FB — your choice. The truth is an entirely different thing though. Your sympathy should lie with those who got stabbed, not the dude who did the stabbing and caused this whole problem. So stop gossiping and move on — that’s what we are doing.

See you in the pit.

Peace and PMA,

John J


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