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JUMPING DARKNESS PARADE: NOW IT’S EYAL’S TURN TO WEIGH-IN ON HECKLERS AND VIOLENCE

Friday, February 26th, 2010 at 5:00pm by

Everyone who knows me knows that I’m a peaceful guy. I have no violent tendencies and avoid fights at almost any cost. I know plenty of people who would be happy to hospitalize someone for me, and that helps me rest easy. Violence is not really something I concern myself with. That said, it is certainly a reality of life. Turn on the news, read the newspapers, or live in a poor neighborhood and you’ll see just how much a reality of life violence is. Understanding that human on human violence is a fact of life brings up the subject of categorization. These categories are simple. Are you justified to beat the fuck out of someone? Well, it depends. Right? Sometimes it’s all right. Sometimes it’s the right thing to do. And sometime it’s not the right thing to do. How do you decipher?


Let’s look at one of my own experiences from when I had first started to tour. I was in Belgium; the backstage of the show was mayhem, and we could hear the noises from the front of the house. It was even more violent and fucked up than I could have imagined. This wasn’t just skinheads beating the fuck out of people. It was a little sicker. There was a guy walking around the merch area with a cow’s tongue, whipping people, Indiana Jones-style, with it. Hard. To the face, to the ribs, to women. He didn’t care. He was whipping people with an animal body part.  Multiple fights broke out. Every few minutes I would hear a loud “boom.” Sounded like concrete hitting the ground. No, it was just someone getting his or her head smashed into concrete. Eventually the merch area was closed down due to the extreme violence.

Around when the merch area shut down we got word that anti-American protestors might rush the stage. This was 2004: The American Government started a war in Iraq that most of the rest of the world didn’t condone. Hatred for Americans at that time was at a high. During the days when we went out in Europe, we encountered a good amount of hatred from people. Hatred and threats. We were not comfortable being there. Regardless of the rumors that the stage might get rushed, we decided to play but to be on guard. The other bands on the bill were guarding the stage for us. Everyone was ready to go to war.

The set starts and everything is great. Everything is going. First song ends and the vocalist starts talking to the crowd. At that point I feel someone grabbing my arm. Hard. I look down and sure enough some audience member is grabbing my right arm and just wont let go. In fact he was starting to come up on the stage grabbing my arm while the drummer was counting in a song. SHIT. I took my first opportunity to kick him full-power in the ribs. A second didn’t go by before guys from the opening band rushed the stage, grabbed him, and then threw him at least fifteen feet into the crowd. Apparently, this wasn’t enough for him. He made his way back up to the front and started climbing up onstage to start shit with the vocalist. The vocalist landed an upercut to his attacker’s jaw so fucking hard that if this were a cartoon, you would have seen stars floating around. He flew into the crowd. We never saw him again. Fuck with us onstage and you’ve got problems.

We have been heckled, insulted, made fun of, YOU NAME IT, but nobody in my band (current line-up) has ever started shit with an audience member. YES, we get heckled sometimes. NO, it’s not fun. YES, it’s rude. But hey, buy the ticket and take the ride. The ticket we bought was the “go on tour” ticket. Part of that ride involves getting possibly heckled. Fact of life. If you can’t handle that, you’re a pussy. Not everyone is going to like your music. Some people will be offended by your music. Some people will make a show out of letting you know how much they hate your music. The proper response is NOT to attack them. The proper response is to make light of the situation and to keep on killing it onstage.

I don’t know what happened in this Rose Funeral incident because I wasn’t there, but if it is true – bitch move, dudes. Good going. Very manly and secure of you to attack some kids at a show because they didn’t like your music. How can you ever hope to tour with a band like Slayer?

And to the readers of my blog: when do you guys think it’s justified to bring the beatdown?

-EL

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  • gauche

    if someone starts it, yeah, you have every right to fight back. the only time i can think of when it’s ok to START it is if someone hurts a loved one. it’s not even really that ok but i fully understand that “snapping” mentality. if someone hurt my sister or mom or girlfriend, i would snap.

  • Discipleofthewatch

    In self defense, I believe it’s justified. In a hockey game, it’s just part of the game. Other than that, I don’t see much call for violence. Parents should not be beating the holy hell out of their kids or their spouse, not ever. And we need to keep things civilized in our daily lives if possible. I can take it, but I don’t dish it out.

  • gauche

    also, another well thought out post and opinion, Eyal.

  • FrostMechanic

    Unless the band or an audience member is being physically attacked, I don’t think there should ever be need for violence.

    If the Rose Funeral story is true, then that’s a dick move on their part.

  • shithead

    “Sometimes it’s the right thing to do. And sometime it’s not the right thing to do.”

    Yeah, sure.
    Sometimes it’s night. And sometimes it’s day.
    Sometimes it’s black. And sometimes it’s white.
    Sometimes it’s cold. And sometimes it’s hot.
    Sometimes it’s cool. And sometimes it’s daath.

    • ten thousand mexicans on a spaceship

      lmao

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Pantozzi/1255231400 Chris Pantozzi

      Wow. This was actually a very well thought out opinion and I agree with it 100%.

      Your name suits you well by the way.

      • kvlt of personality

        THIS

        • shithead

          daath pisses me off me so much that I’m playing Uno while reading Eyal’s blog.

          • Eyal

            How’s that game going?

          • Sluga

            i don’t mind daath, but that was hilarious.

          • The Punisher

            If you don’t like daath and you’re just going to insult something he says, then why the fuck read the blog?

  • Horeshine

    Aside from the defense of myself or a loved one, I don’t really look for a fight. Aside from that, LOVED the little story from life on the road, I would love a regular section with retelling of events like that, great insight into the world of touring, thank you!

  • Jeremy

    All this uno talks make me think of that one Axl Rose incident, where security wouldn’t take that guy’s video camera, so Axl jumped in the crowd after him.

    That’s bad ass how all the bands were guarding the stage for each other. Never really thought about someone in another country trying to get back at America by attacking an American band.

  • Lordassenfroth

    someone attacking you is a just reason for whoopin’ some ass. unless someone’s messing with my belongings or my wife i probobly wont wouldnt bring any beatdowns. just because someone is “talking shit” (or heckling) doesnt mean i need to prove how tough i am by beating them up. there were some really drunken nights where id end up threatin’ someone with a shovel or something, but i was wasted …and that doesnt count right?

  • Double D

    I would never kill anybody… unless they pissed me off.

  • Andy Synn

    I’m reasonably certain that attacking a Slayer crowd is a sin in the eyes of the church…

    Since it’s tantamount to suicide.

  • timmah

    The proper response would have been for the singer to ask to be dealt into the Uno game. Make light of it and do a show while trying to play Uno, at least it would have been funny.

    I’m like you, Eyal. I avoid violence. I can reasonably talk my way out of hostile encounters because violence is just almost never justified, and 99% of the times I’m in those situations, people are drunk and not thinking straight.

    Times that set me off though, are when people blatantly disrespect me, my band, or our equipment I once had some drunk idiot come up and start hammering on my cymbals with his hands during a break in a song and then run back out to the pit. Doing no damage, it was just his hands, but it’s just a cardinal rule to not touch a bands gear unless being given permission to do so, and even then, carefully and with utmost respect. It set me off so bad I nearly whipped a drumstick at his head with all my strength. The only part that saved him was that if I had missed, I hit some innocent bystander and either me, or the bar gets sued. Needless to say the guitar player announced following the song that further such behavior would result in swift justice, and no further encounters were had.

    Other than that, I don’t care if people heckle me/flip me off/whatever, just don’t touch unless I OK it. While I’m on the stage, I own it. So don’t stay longer than you’re welcome, and don’t get in the way.

  • matttao

    How is standing up for yourself a bitch move? Playing cards in front of a live band is a direct slap in the face. I remember when we were on tour with Mushroomhead. some kids painted up like them spit at me. My bass player and I ran off stage and beat them senseless. I’m willing to bet these fucking card playing nerds didnt have the balls to go up to the band and tell them their opinion. So they decided to pull something typical of this generation. Do you think Phil Anselmo would have stood for that? Dude, I’m a big Daath fan but your wrong on this one.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Tims/1313713879 Bobby Tims

      wow, you fucking badass. and i wonder if you guys are still around?

    • gauche

      what band are you in?

    • Che Guitarra

      Standing up for yourself is fine. Beating someone up is idiotic. You got the stage, you got a mic, you (hopefully) got more than one or two people on your side in the crowd, hell, you got security and personnel from the venue. You can’t think of some other way to stand up for yourself, you’re pretty uncreative, possibly have anger issues. They did nothing to interrupt your set, they didn’t try to sabotage you, they didn’t threaten bodily harm. And then you ran off stage? Were your feelings so hurt you had to stop playing just to get even? If you were opening for Mushroomhead, I imagine it was a large group of people in the audience you just ran out on. Phil Anselmo would have started talking shit, gotten in there face, something. He wouldn’t just take it. But he wouldn’t have stopped the show to run offstage and try to get someone back. I don’t know you or anything about you. I mean no disrespect, but I can’t understand how it seems like a good idea, now, or in the heat of that moment. “Standing up for yourself” is not the same thing as “Beating Someone senseless.”

      • Andy Synn

        You missed the most obvious point here…

        Bands of this type (and i’d probably bet that Phil Anselmo is in this category) wouldn’t like being criticised to their faces either. Even if it was couched in reasonable and diplomatic terms. Many people have fragile egos and respond with violence when they feel these are being threatened.

        Although, to be fair to Phil, he would most likely have been professional enough to finish the show first and foremost, then beaten someone up afterwards.

        Bands who don’t like being “dissed” by “haters” are going to respond with violence in these circumstances no matter what, whether spoken to face to face or not.

    • Eyal Levi

      If someone walks up and spits in your face you should feel threatened. Knocking them out is a-ok in my book because spitting in someone’s face is a bold enough move to lead you to believe that a punch is next. Getting heckled by the crowd is not. You need thick enough skin to deal with crowds that don’t like your music.

      • metalguy

        and theres a difference, in my opinion from knocking someone out and beating them up. from what timmy said he beat them senseless, which to me would mean kicking him while hes down and that is also not cool

        • metalguy

          mattao, sorry timmy

      • Che Guitarra

        But getting right up in somebodies face and spitting in it is one thing. I gather from this comment that these idiots were in the crowd (and yeah, I think they would qualify as idiots), spitting at the bassist from some distance. The guys had to get off the stage to give chase. It was disrespectful and a dumbass move, but I don’t think it was really threatening. If I’m wrong, then yeah, self defense, stop the bastards in their tracks. But just like metalguy said, I still don’t think it would qualify beating them sensless.

    • SonOF

      “Playing cards in front of a live band is a direct slap in the face”

      It is absolutely not. That UNO game is like the most indirect form of nonviolent protest I have ever heard. Those on the side of RF on this one act like these kids whipped out a giant banner that said something about the members of RF’s girlfriends being sluts and included their phone numbers or something. This is a fucking card game played by half a dozen people; there are about a million worse forms of direct heckling.

      Personally, I don’t ever think physical violence is necessary unless one is threatened with physical violence first (or one’s loved ones). Anyone with even the smallest bit of maturity and brainpower should be able to shrug off even the worst heckling, shit-talking, etc., ESPECIALLY with a crowd that includes at least a few of your supporters on your side.

    • old skool metal head

      As I said in one of the other articles about the Uno cards and Rose Funeral, I was at the Virginia Beach Nile show and was standing beside the guy in question with the Uno cards. He was not playing Uno, he just simply had the cards in his hand and that was enough to antagonize the members of Rose Funeral. And if you think that deserves a beat down, then quite frankly you are part of the problem, not the solution.

      There is a difference between not paying attention to you and provoking a response. When I saw Necro as an opener for Hatebreed, people were not only yelling out “You suck” and flipping them off (they did suck), one person threw a plastic bottle and it was on! Two members of Necro leaped off the stage and started beating people up. They went back to their performance and a few minutes later the same two guys jumped off the stage and hit at least one member of the crowd in the face, a kid ran out bleeding from the nose. Security threw Necro out, and the crowd screamed with joy and the members of Necro were being led out and still trying to start a fight. Do I think getting hit with a plastic bottle deserves a response, yes. Does it mean it gives you the license to beat someone to a pulp, no. I got hit in the face (hard) with a plastic bottle watching The Gallows at Warped Tour, was I pissed off, yes. Did I find the little punk that threw it, no. I shrugged it off and went about enjoying the show.

      Whether you throw down as a result of something happening to you at a show is judgment call, but you had better be right. Eyal’s example clearly shows he was in the right, he was being handled physically and that justifies a response. Rose Funeral was simply being ignored, and if I was the father of that 17 year old, Rose Funeral would be facing a lawsuit, along with the venue and the tour manager for not controlling the bands. We live in a litigious society and one does not have to kick your ass to kick your ass, they just have to sue your ass into oblivion to win.

      • Joshie

        Yeah, I had to sit through a Necro set to. Likewise, my entire crowd was against them, and they got on the mics and said “None of you have the balls to say anything to our faces.” Then my friend Ramsey, who’s a seriously large dude, walked to the edge of the stage and said “I’m right here, and you guys still suck.” Then Necro had him kicked out of the venue. Large vaginas those Necro guys are.

        • SonOF

          Necro is a rapper. Playing on metal bills is not a good idea for him, even though he is well-liked by many musicians and fans in the metal community (plus he was in a metal band like 15 years ago that played with some big artists in Brooklyn). He decided to drop off the Sounds of the Underground tour a while back for similar reasons…a lot of metal fans didn’t like his music and were physically confrontational towards him and his crew during shows.

          I’m not saying Necro and his boys are right or wrong, just that this sort of thing happens a lot when he does sets on bills with metal bands. Necro (and his people) has had to defend himself quite a bit in the past against unruly people who decided that since they didn’t like his rapping, they had the right to throw things, threaten, etc. So I’m not surprised if they are a bit jumpy and quick to react in situations like that (as they have had to deal with quite a bit of shit in the past); they have an “us against them” mentality at metal shows.

          I actually like Necro’s stuff, but wouldn’t see him on a bill unless it was with other rap acts. I’d rather not see an act when the vast majority of the crowd is violently opposed to the act I want to see.

      • Michael Booher

        The original Uno incident occurred in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

    • Waldo

      Matttao my friend I can’t say i would have beat them senseless. I am not saying your wrong but at the same time grab the assholes drag their asses to security or building manager and have their asses escorted out. Hell if you really want to fuck them up call the cops for aggrevated assault, this would be totally viable to have them arrested I am sure. I was in a band and one time we had a guy from one of the opening bands heckle us from the crowd, so I simply resopnded with “where was everyone at while you guys were playing” (this was obviously in reference that no one was inside while they played) such clever remarks shut people up. I would say some situations call for physical action by security/management, other more of a mental strength and cleverness, then there is the situation like Eyal stated where a fan is physically interferring/ assaulting someone when action from the band is necessary. Just calm yourself for a second and think of the most resonable response. I know what its like, your on stage, your adrenaline is rushing, and you are rocking out and some douche messes with your chi. This is where a logical thought process is key and find the best way to fuck with the perpetrator. All the same these guys that spit at you deserved something.

    • Mike

      You’re fuckin’ whacked, fella. Someone playing Uno in front of your band is no way analagous to them spitting in your face. Evolution will either remove people like you from the gene pool, or turn this world into something I don’t want to be a part of anyhow.

  • matttao

    It’s not about being a badass. It’s about being a man and standing your ground.

    • Octillus

      Yeah! Beat your chest like the primate that you are. Stand your ground and get your bros to back you up, am I right?

      Since when does being a man mean losing your cool and beating up on people? Especially in this day and age.

      • Ryd1ZZ

        Well put Octillus!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

        + 1. Totally agree. I’m so sick of these people who walk around calling others “pussies” because they don’t constantly engage in physical violence. It’s so redundant.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

        yeah, when you become the aggressor, you’re not longer defending yourself. someone’s trying to punch you, you block it and punch them back, fine. you start punching then while they’re down, you’re no longer defending yourself. you’re just being a dick.

    • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

      You’ve obviously drank some bad kool-aid.

      Thats fucking lame and sounds like a shitty Hatebreed Lyric.

      On that note lighten up Francis.

    • SonOF

      There is nothing “manly” about inflicting physical harm on someone just because they verbally heckled you (or indirectly mocked you by playing UNO). That’s just immature cave-man shit. If someone physically attacks you, by all means, stand up for yourself. But learning to take criticism (even if it is done in a rude or improper way) is really part of being a “man.”

      • Geekbeater

        Any dude who thinks they are sick because they start fights for no reason is because they are INSECURE. They think cause they are bigger or have a fucking shaved head that they are tougher than someone else. Give me a fucking break. I would go to a Rose Funeral show and play cards just to see if they would fuck with me and then proceed to kill all of them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jake-Lentz/20725060 Jake Lentz

    Well, I’d say if reasoning with someone doesn’t work, you’re granted the right to defend yourself or whomever has been attacked. However, I wouldn’t say that entitles you the right to a boot party. Stop ‘em, knock ‘em out, whatever, just don’t become the aggressor. That’s called assault.

  • Che Guitarra

    I think violence is a last resort, especiallly if you have other resources to defend yourself, and it should not even be an option if the other party isn’t actually doing any harm. Heckling is part of the game. Deal with it. You can’t deal with it, live performance isn’t the career for you. Hell, it isn’t even the hobby for you.The case of someone trying to attack you, tackle you, grab you, whatever, you have a right to self defense. But even then, only enough to subdue the other person. If you’re at a show, hit ‘em, get security, and keep going. If you’re on the street, aim for the balls and then run like hell, calling the cops as you go. There will always be conflict. Conflict is human nature. But conflict is not the same as violence.

  • matttao

    Che Guitarra, you think it was idiotic for me to assault someone who SPIT ON ME? I dont know where your from…but where I’m from if someone spits on you, you beat them into the fucking ground. I can take words, hecklers, I even encourage it. It’s healthy…all in fun. Spitting or doing some gay shit like playing fucking Uno is lame, sackless, and idiotic. There’s nothing wrong with throwing hands. As long as there’s no guns or knives whats the big deal? This country has become so polluted with this limp wristed way of thinking….

    • Octillus

      That’s right, gay shit. Limp wristed way of thinking. You’re definitely of the sound mental capacity to make sweeping judgments about “Might makes right” theories.

      Spitting is absolutely uncalled for, agreed, but how you think Uno is even in the same parameter, or that either even deserve violence is sickening.

      Maybe your backwards baseball cap has been choking off the circulation of blood to your brain.

      • Ryd1ZZ

        and again… nice!

        • Andy Synn

          He…

          Throwing hands…

          This gy has to be a joke we’re all falling for.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Tims/1313713879 Bobby Tims

            FISTICUFFS!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Tims/1313713879 Bobby Tims

        watch out man this tough guy might jump in his mom’s Camry and come after you

        • Andy Synn

          You want to take this outside?

    • http://myspace.com/northwestroyale Blake

      What band are you in again?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

      not to add fuel to the fire, but any band that opens for mushroomhead has to expect that sort of stuff. their fans are known neanderthals. be thankful it was only spit, because after all it’s still their “responsiblity” to defend mushroomhead from Slipknot “ripping them off”.

    • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

      Yeah dude, like bro…dude…yeah bro! DUDE!…DUUUUDE! Like dude, I totally get you dude…totally.

    • chris

      This kind of violence happens in 3rd world counties. Civilized societies/people use other means to solve a dispute.

      • Trux

        dont mess or talk shit about third world countries chris boy even when, good chances are that you have never been a second in a country like that..

        I hate that kind of categorization…. so yeah, fuck you.

  • Octillus

    And speaking of “What would Phil Anselmo do?” besides take heroin and whine, I’m pretty sure “Walk” is among the worst things to happen to metal. Ever.

    My god, the attitudes sprung from that song alone are enough to make me projectile vomit.

  • matttao

    I don’t wear a backwards baseball cap…don’t make judgements about me. You know nothing about me. What balls you have dissing Pantera. I don’t care for Walk either but they are one of the best bands to ever grace music.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Tims/1313713879 Bobby Tims

      what band are you in then. clearly your opinion matters.

  • Who

    Let’s make it right.

    Rule #1 : Don’t fuck with people on stage.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4uahL_tQWc

    Rule #2 : Don’t fuck with people on stage (even when you are yourself on stage)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Gqsh22DE0

    Peace.

    • Geekbeater

      Why anyone would fuck with Henry Rollins is beyond me. That dude would fuck people up.

    • Trux

      you made my day with that Cobain beating clip… screw that talentless dude..

  • http://www.alexmorganimaging.com ALEXMORGANIMAGING.com

    You don’t need to fight when you have a gun.

    • Eyal Levi

      You mean camera

  • http://www.last.fm/user/M60Patton Patton

    Fight back when attacked, but never start shit up.

  • metalguy

    I think theres also a difference between defending yourself in a fight and setting out to hurt them. You can fight back untill their out, which is good in my opinion, but going out of your way to break their nose after their down is a non-no
    Im a pretty small guy, so i would definetly avoid a fight if it came up. but if someone EVER touched my girlfriend i would beat the shit out of them. thats the only time i would ever really try to hurt them

    • http://www.omimetal.wordpress.com The Greys

      metalguy, I agree with you that it’s ok to take down the dude who touched your girlfriend … if he actually Intended to touch/hurt her.

      In the pit, sometimes things are completely unintentional. I once accidentally head-butted a girl in the back of the head at an Enslaved show (overzealous headbanging, completely my fault). I apologized, that cooled everyone out and we all turned back to the show.

      If I’d meant to headbutt the poor girl, then yes, her man would’ve been in his rights to smash me back. But intent is important. People have hit me in the pit and I’ve let it go if I thought there was no malice involved … but I’ve also driven an elbow into the stomach of the asshole who thought it would be funny to grab me by the shoulders and swing me around (that happened at a Rev. Horton Heat show — I never expected violence there).

      Context is all, so think before you lash out. But yeah, if a guy is intentionally abusing your girl, you’re within your rights to stop him, I think.

      • Eyal Levi

        Messing with a dude’s girlfriend is about as stupid as trying to take food from a dog you don’t know IMO

  • hikizume

    I doesn’t sound like it was any fun being there, but it sure makes up for a good story!

    I’ve had my set shut down by the police once but other than that I haven’t had that much problems…yet.

    It was a bitch move to gang up on some kids though, grow a fucking pair bitches!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Sterner/1335958279 Andrew Sterner

    Varying levels of violence start with the second someone gets on the stage, and their intent. if they’re just jumping on and back off, then it’s no harm no foul. If they touch you, you have the right to send a message that you don’t like being that close to the audience(shove them away). If they grab your nipple, give ‘em a little jab. And if they start a fight, finish it.

  • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

    Family, Friends, Love of Brother and Country. The only reasons to resort to viloence.

    Eyal’s got it right, it was WEAK move on behalf of Rose funeral. You’ve gotta have thick skin in this world, if you cant take it get out of the public eye. Theres nothing wrong with carrying yourself with Pride and a little bit of ‘dont fuck with me attitude. (I myself am not a people person) However my job calls for Public interaction everyday. Theres no excuse for it. Bullies are pussies, so are bands that try and be “tough”.

    Real Men dont have to flex nuts. PERIOD.

    • Octillus

      “Real Men dont have to flex nuts. PERIOD.”

      Amen.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

        haha yes. true statement. excellent lyric.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Hulsey/653830783 David Hulsey

      I’m glad I’m not the only metalhead who also appreciates the merits of old school gangsta rap. Incidentally, Geto Boys were some violent motherfuckers.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bobby-Tims/1313713879 Bobby Tims

        same here dude.

  • Allen

    It’s funny my band just did a show 2 days ago and we opened cause we didn’t sell any tickets. We’re all basically in highschool and most of the other guys were like hardcore guys with gauges and shit. So we get up on stage for sound check and we’re just fucking around and the headlining bands are heckling us and shit telling us to hurry up and play. Then we finally play and they all love us and got our contact for gigs

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-John-Crispen/100000169530540 Jason John Crispen

      yep, nothing silences hecklers like destroying on stage. sadly so many scenes are overly defensive so it’s a “hate until they prove us otherwise” mentality.

  • Kevin

    I agree 100 percent if some one ever spit in my face id nock them cold out . you just dont do stuff like that to people.

    • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

      On a sidenote to spitting im peoples face- I can tell you first hand in most states that Spitting on ones person ie; Face. Is considered assault. You’d probably win in court on self defense, if it ever came to that.

  • Isaac

    You don’t start shit with a fan. Period. They start shit with you, then a beatdown (verbal or physical, as necessary) is fine, but don’t start shit with fans. That’s how you lose ‘em.

  • Motoghost

    In the face of concert goers who don’t like your music, there is never a reason to fight. If they full grab or try to harm you in some way, then it’s on but that is out of self-defense. If this whole thing with Rose Funeral is true, then they need to grow up. If I was in a band and I saw some kids playing Uno during my set, in all honesty, I might ask who won. Hell depending on who I was opening for, I might ask if I could get in on a game. People handle crappy music in all their own ways, but bands should never incite violence just because of a persons opinion.

  • pariah

    it’s a bit of a dick thing to say, but “Dead on the Dance Floor” really made me want to bring the beatdown on daath. worst part is that it’s the only daath song i can remember!

    • Bicro

      DotDF is a damn club BANGER if there ever was one.

      But if you don’t like to dance, that’s cool bro

  • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/46e389eb8b79606050d3d447431ff6ac?s=80 Nate

    Violence is only justified when either yourself, a close/loved person, or someone defenseless is under attack.

  • dimentian

    the girlfriend keeps the balls empty for me. I no longer need to fight, work, clean, or pay taxes. her orifices keep me the lethargic and controlled cyborg that i am. GOOD RIDDANCE TO INITIATIVE!!!!! Now, if i could only remember her birthday…….

  • http://dmxrr15@hotmail.com IsntaTOTALdouchebag10

    Well I am really drunk and really stoned so this is my view on the subject as if anyone cares…
    Music is theee most subjective thing ever. A reason for violence? I think not, like not ever. There are so many more important issues to beat someone’s ass over than music. Granted If I lived in Israel and some Hamas motherfucker started talking shit about a band I liked…well normal rules go out the window. But here we are in the best country ever and a band like Rose Funeral are trying to beat kids up over music taste. Are you fucking kidding me? I mean, I respect RF (rose funeral) for putting out a CD they supposedly feel proud of, although in my taste, and I am guessing most who happen to read this, is a very mediocre, generic, and dare I say shitty album, how can this band possibly degrade someone for disagreeing with their music?

    Now me myself, I am not the biggest person out there, 5’10 150lb, yeah im fucking huge (I do not have time to learn fucking karate). I obviously do not go out searching for fights, why would I? I have realized that people, especially people who are in the position to fight (bigger people who spike their hair and wear brands like affilction etc…) find some certain thrill in starting shit with smaller people. If such a person (much bigger and more equipped to beat my ass) would try to start something with me over something as trivial as music taste, I do not need to worry about trying to fight them with my fists nor do I have time to. I would have ZERO problem in sticking a fucking sharp object in their neck. Morbid? Maybe. Do I care? No, not at all. This fucked up world is better off without people who are on a mission to start this type of bullshit. Size? Fuck size, if you are going to use size as an advantage to beat up on another individual who is causing no harm, then I would feel no remorse in fucking your ass up with a sharp object.

    Part of the reason metal is great is because people who enjoy the music should be able to go out and rock out without a reason to worry about ANOTHER douche who is there to advance his own ego. Unfortunately that is not the case

    • Gaia

      I didnt really read much of what you said, but sorry to highlight the small bit I read. “But here we are in the best country ever” – You must be drunk! ;-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jay-See/726690352 Jay See

    Bring on Avalanche of Worms

    • Eyal Levi

      4/20

      • The Ghost of D. Boon

        4/20 SHRED GUITAR EVERY DAY

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Wilfred/100000007099811 Edward Wilfred

    The beatdown is totally justified in this case.

  • Ken

    If i were on stage and someone had started to play Uno, I would’ve laughed my ass off. Due to the fact I have a sense of humor. There is only one way I will ever fight. If I feel my life is in jeopardy pray you can defend yourself. Otherwise fighting is NEVER EVER worth it. Grow up you’re not 12 anymore. Do something shitty to someone and it’ll come back to you.

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    Apparently this band is shitty live anyway. I looked at several videos of them doing their “chugga-chugga-please play uno during out set” riffs to a crowd of people standing as still as statues.

    and a bunch of fucktards commenting like “ROSE FUNERAL IS DAH SHIT, I WOULD HAVE BEAT SOMEONES ASS FOR NOT MOVING!”

    Yeah, this band shouldn’t make it…ever.

  • Kathy

    Bullet for My Valentine has a new song called “Begging For Mercy” and you can download it for freeeeee at http://www.tweematic.com/bfmv/ . DO IT! It’s sooooo good. The guitars in it blew my mind.

    • Eyal Levi

      Off topic?

    • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

      Dude are there FUCKING BOTS! on MS Now? Fuck me dude. Vince, AXL please take care ofthis…

    • The Ghost of D. Boon

      Fuck offfff street teaming piece of shit

  • vikingfromhell890

    If only the Trevor situation happened a few weeks later. But if you watched the video of what happened, the nipple grab is a guaranted beat down. If I was playing a show and someone did that to me, that’s going beyond disrespect.

  • SourDeez

    This topic is getting pretty stale. I’m done talking about this, I’m gonna grab some UNO cards and a mouthguard and see what kind of shit I can get into out on the street.

    • Eyal Levi

      Please take film

  • Addicted to Crack…The Skye

    How does this sound Eyal?

    I smoked weed for my first time 4 years ago and there was this dickhead who kept on throwing rocks at me. At first I was like ok whatever, maybe this guy is just messing with me and doesn’t mean anything by it. Later on, he still kept on throwing rocks and stones at me after we got out of the forest. Once we got back there he’d light sticks on fire for a few seconds and then whip them at me. At that point I was so fed up that I jacked him and the face and gave him a black eye. After that he was being a little bitch, and called me an asshole and told me I had no reason to do that. Better yet, he told me how tough he was and then threatened to hit me with a steel pole. That’s when I ran from this kid, I can kick his ass but this kid was pretty crazy, I didn’t want to test him and end up in the hospital.

    However, like you I’m pretty much a pacifist, but does this sound justified?

    • Eyal Levi

      I’m confused. Does what part sound justified?

      • Addicted to Crack…The Skye

        When I punched him in the face for throwing rocks and shit.

        • Eyal Levi

          Oh I guess I missed that part. Yes justified. He was throwing rocks at you.

          • dimentian

            you dont fuck with giants in the woods when your smokin man. How do you think harry ended up with the hendersons?

    • http://dmxrr15@hotmail.com IsntaTOTALdouchebag10

      So let me get this straight…your first time smoking weed you chose to do it deep in the forest with some kid who obviously hates you? Gotta pick your situation a little better man

      • Addicted to Crack…The Skye

        No, I was with other people too. I had met this kid for the first time and he was a douchebag. It was spontaneous that I smoked that day.

  • J

    There was one time I wanted to beat the shit out of this kid for getting me expelled. He never apologized to me for it, in fact he bragged about it to other people. Every time I saw the kid, I wanted to fucking kill him and he’d be like what did I do? It looks like karma got to him before I did. A year later, he had to drop out of school and go to rehab. The day he got out of rehab, he drove drunk going 110 mph down a neighborhood road and hit a fence post that impaled him through the stomach. Surprisingly, he’s still alive.

    I felt no sympathy for the guy since he got me expelled (and I’ve never taken a swing at this guy in my life), and the fact that he was driving drunk.

  • dfl

    Theres no reason to fight unless you’ve been attacked or the opposing individual is using “fighting” or “threatening” words which would make you question your safety… If some dude slept with your girl, on a personal level its justifiable to beat the shit out of him, but to the cops it isnt. so you’ll still spend the night in the can and get tagged with “assault and battery.”…. if you wanna fight consistently and not get in trouble for it, train mixed martial arts.

  • soy el niño más bonito

    this is an example of justified heckler beating: http://www.punknews.org/article/37220

  • Brian \m/(-_-)\m/

    justified beatdown? only one time: when a member of the audience is causing direct interference with the proceedings on stage. that is pretty much limited 2 climbing up on stage and starting shit with the band. if ppl are being dicks, thats part of the world famous musician gig, but if hes jeopardizing the show in any way, like what happened in eyals story, kick his ass.