WHEN DID HIGH ON FIRE GET SO BIG?

Thursday, April 29th, 2010 at 1:30pm by

high on fireIn a recent editorial on Invisible Oranges, Cosmo Lee (and yes, it was actually Cosmo who wrote this one… I triple-checked!) used the recent success of High on Fire as a case study to discuss why metal fans hate it when their favorite bands become successful. Cosmo posits three theories and they’re all on point (as usual), but I’ll let you check out Invisible Oranges for that because that’s not really what I’d like to discuss today. I’d like to explore when the fuck High on Fire suddenly became such a big deal.

I’ve never been a huge High on Fire fan, but I haven’t got anything against the band. To me they’ve always been a sweet bonus, that band that’s opening on tour with a bigger, cooler band — “Ah, nice, High on Fire’s on that tour… cool, we get to see Matt Pike rock the fuck out with his shirt off!” — but they didn’t really warrant much attention individually. No doubt, the band has a rich history (hi Sleep) and had a core of die-hard fans, but by and large they lived in the underground. They were always that band that were either a) supporting a bigger band, or b) playing in small, cramped sweaty bars.

There’s a ton of hype around their new album Snakes for the Divine which had a HUGE first week with almost 9k copies sold but, by and large, isn’t all that different from their past work. All of a sudden they’re on the cover of Decibel right out of the gate, with a snake-adorned Matt Pike wearing more makeup than a 50 year-old stripper. And they’re on their own headlining tour of decent-sized legit venues, selling them out across the country. Make no mistake about it; like Cosmo points out, High on Fire are a big band now. They’re in the mainstream metal consciousness.

So when did this sudden transformation happen?

To be sure, nothing is odd about about a band graduating from support slots and sweaty bar headliners to the big leagues. That’s what’s supposed to happen, isn’t it? What’s odd is that it happened so fucking quickly. High on Fire went from from 0 to 60 from the end of one album cycle to the beginning of the next, and they seemingly skipped a step. Take the recent example of Machine Head (the specifics aren’t a perfect analog, but it works for my example): in Machine Head you had a band who had squandered their legacy with a string of shitty, trend-following albums in the late ’90s. Through the Ashes of Empires started their ressurection, and three years later The Blackening continued it; but even through the early part of The Blackening album cycle Machine Head still had to work to earn fans by doing support slots on every tour imaginable, taking every press op, and just grinding it out the old fashioned way. Now, three years later, Machine Head are in what I think we can say are the metal big leagues. Their next release will have the entire metal world’s eyes fixed upon it. What I’m getting at here is that High on Fire skipped that middle step where you dabble in the mainstream and get acquainted with it / it gets acquainted with you… they just went from underground to mainstream in no time.

So what happened with High on Fire that made their situation different?

The single difference you can really point to is that they’re on a new record label. High on Fire signed with Koch (now E1) in 2008, and E1 — though independent — operates like a major label. Independent smaller labels like Relapse (the band’s former home) nurture underground bands and take things one step at a time, letting them grow organically and letting a fanbase build naturally. Bigger labels live and die by spending money to generate hype: E1 basically said “THE NEW HIGH ON FIRE! HOLY SHIT! IT’S COMING! BE EXCITED!!” in so many ways via big ads, triumphant press releases and generally feeding the appetite of the hype machine. Sometimes this works, but usually it doesn’t: look at the miserable flops that were their recent Arkeaea release (“HOLY SHIT! DUDES FROM FEAR FACTORY!”) and Burning Human (“HOLY SHIT! A DUDE FROM SHADOWS FALL!”). The difference is that with High on Fire, Relapse had already done all the dirty work and built a fanbase and reputation for the band (not to mention Matt Pike’s history with Sleep), so by the time E1 smartly snatched them up all the hype fell on receptive ears. But let’s give credit where it’s due; E1′s done a fine, fine job of marketing this release. Another label could’ve simply sat back and let things continue on their natural progression, but E1 put in that extra push and it’s paid off handsomely. Suddenly, High on Fire are in the big leagues. Not that Relapse couldn’t have or wouldn’t have done that had the band re-signed with them; but there’s no way of knowing.

So look at that… the marketing muscle of record labels can still be worth something after all. Welcome to the Bigs, High on Fire. Of course, the back side of being a beneficiary of the hype machine is that you can fall as quickly as you rose; we’ll see whether or not High on Fire can become an ace of the pitching staff or if they’ll just stay up for a cup of coffee.

-VN

Photo credit: Travis Shinn

  • Kuranes

    A friend of mine just saw them last week and told me “looks like High On Fire sold out”. I thought he meant the venue they were playing, but he meant that they now sell High On Fire Hot Sauce at their shows.

    • Glorious Johnson

      How is having your own hot sauce selling out tho, anyone can do it. Just take a look at any sauce isle at your local grocer. Hell i mix sauces together all the time when I’m grilling. Beside, from what I heard Matt Pikes a pretty good cook. High on Fire is a sweet name for hot sauce.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Toy/193302066 Daniel Toy

        Ask Gene Simmons.

    • scramblor

      Does it have cilantros in it??

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Edwards/100000527928466 Brian Edwards

        Oh, God! I’m allergics to… thmamliapf!!

        • Ares

          My Hands!! Theres SOOO bigs that I can’t plays the guitars!!

          (Sound of Murderface in the background not giving a fuck)

    • Seb

      The company that makes the High on Fire hot sauce, Big Daddy’s, is not exactly a huge operation. The also make hot sauces named after the Flaming Lips and some band called Amplified Heat. I hardly think they’re getting a huge payday because they’re name is on a bottle. Maybe Matt Pike and co. always really wanted their own brand of hot sauce, and with the success the band has had, they finally have the opportunity?

      But more importantly, HoF fucking kill it live.

    • soy el niño más bonito

      they’ve had that hot sauce for years

      • Big Tricky

        Yeah, the hot sauce is nothing new. And how does hot sauce = sell out?

    • WowWee!

      High on Fire sauce.

      It’s good on its own.

    • oldbittercraig

      they were selling the hot sauce when i saw them two years ago and playing a club slightly larger than my garage.

  • cougar party

    I think new label definately helped. They are promoting the fuck out of High on Fire. Also, the new album is fucking amazing so that doesn’t hurt either.

    Can’t wait to see them on May 5th. Going to be the best Cinco de Mayo ever.

  • Seer

    Band deserves any and all success they might have. If anything, it’s been long overdue.

    • Isaac

      +1000
      I was always pissed that Sleep never made it big.
      Now if only Om could, too, then THAT would kick ass.

  • Double D

    I’m not quite getting that last metaphor (“stay up for a cup of coffee”…?), but my friend and I have been discussing this same issue. HOF has been kicking around for a while and just now they became a HUGE band. When I said High On Fire even a year or so ago I got blank stares. Now, they are a ‘household name’. Personally, someone is going to have to come out with a DAMN good album to beat them out for album of the year, so I understand why everyone is so big on them. However, I’m not quite sure why they got so big. I mean, everyone here at metalsucks.net knows that there are tons of metal bands that put out fucking fantastic albums that don’t get a sniff from the mainstream or the attention that HOF are getting. I think it’s safe to say that the greatness of their recent output is probably not the reason for their popularity. Maybe it’s because metal has become big in the ‘hipster’ (fuck, I hate that word) realm and HOF have a pedigree that makes them accessible to those types. I don’t know, I guess it took me this whole shitty paragraph to say that I’m as confused as anyone else.

    • grammartwo

      The “up” refers to a minor league baseball player being called up to the majors. the “cup of coffee” refers to a short stint.

  • Erik

    I think it has to do with the production on the new album. They finally ditched the shitty production for something a little more polished, now I’m not saying it’s the new lady gaga record, but BETTER production can go a long way. I personally think the new album is awesome and is 19 times more accessible than their previous releases. It’s always been “cool” to like high on fire, but with snakes, HoF have made it a lot easier.

    • Mike

      I agree, the shitty production really held them back. Their stronger sound, coupled with probably their strongest material ever certainly helped. That promotion they did with Bet Buy, where they were they got their own display and the CD sold fro 7.99 the first week really helped too. In fact, that’s why I bought it. I wasn’t a fan of their material before this one, but I was really won over

      I remember seeing them at the last Gigantour and saying to my then gf, if they could capture this energy in a studio album, they could get big. And guess what? They did.

  • Robotscythe

    I’ve found there are generally two types of folks who are the most guilty of slagging bands when they break big. They are the same type of people who offer child-rearing advice when they have no kids of their own. They are either a) people who have failed at realizing their own dreams and b) people who have never even attempted to do something creative for a living and have no idea what it takes to lead the creative life. I’ve made my living as a free-lance artist for 10 years. During that time I’ve had to take projects I wasn’t crazy about and some frankly that I would rather not have done. But I did them because each project I did that I may not have overly enjoyed allowed me the money and freedom to do the projects I had 100% of my heart in. And at the end of the day, I still get to paint/draw for a living instead of working at some fast food joint, some crappy retail job or breaking my back doing construction (all of which I have done before). Alot of musicians may make appereances and do things we like to scoff at, but many times it’s in the effort of making a living, of allowing themselves to further their standing in the business, to try to secure some longevity. Sure, I’ve hated quite a few decisions and career moves many bands have made, but goddamn the elitist and unrealistic idea of “only on my own terms, man!!” is sure romantic and sounds good in theory. But the reality is, no matter what path you take in life, their are concessions to be made along the way.

  • Tanner

    Good! They deserve this success, each album has gotten better and better. And I love the raw production on their past releases. Jack Endino and Steve Ablini helped them sculpt blazing records.

  • Lard

    They sound like a modern day Motorhead, why’s the singer shirtless like 80 percent of the time?

    • http://www.johnkanesmith.com johnfuckingsmith

      cause he can be. matt pike doth not give a fuck.

  • Billy Chapman

    I just saw HoF a week or 2 ago and they destroyed the joint. One of the better sets I’ve seen all year. Matt Pike is a crusty mother fucker but metal as fuck and proud of it.

    It is typical for people to say a band is selling out or becoming too big when a band is simply progressing forward rather than regurgitating it’s previous output.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Devon-Czekaj/550092101 Devon Czekaj

    They deserve it, I always thought it was lame they were regulated to “support band” status on tours.

  • Seb

    Matt has been working away in the music business for over 20 years. I think he, and his band, deserve all the success he can get. He’s been a part of a lot of killer albums.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

    What’s wrong with the Burning Human record? I thought it was pretty good..

    • http://www.metalsucks.net Vince Neilstein

      I liked it too, but it was a miserable failure for the label money-wise.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Byron-Ward/797615124 Byron Ward

        Yeah I guess in that regard, shame I thought it was pretty solid..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Logan-Holloway/1100588308 Logan Holloway

    I, being the nerd that I am, was listening to NPR and they were practically sucking High On Fire’s dicks about the new album. Not that that makes them huge but NPR isn’t exactly the most metal place in the world and to hear such a positive review of a metal band on there is few and far between

    • cougar party

      NPR is random like that. I think they have some closet metal heads that do some of the programming for that station. I’ve heard instrumental Metallica stuff used several times as the musical transition between programs.

  • http://raiseyerfists.wordpress.com raiseyerfists

    These guys have been at the edge of mainstream consciousness for a few years. Back in like 2006 or 2007, Rolling Stone mag named Matt Pike one of the new guitar gods, or something along those lines. They’ve busted their asses and always played a style that most metalheads can agree on, and they’ve generally been noticed for it. Now they’re really getting noticed.

  • matty2fatty

    I saw HoF at the Gramercy on this tour and they absolutely blew the place up, it was one of the best shows I’ve seen. I’m not sure how well their show translates to any bigger venue than that though, so hopefullly they don’t start playing really big venues

  • joshkid

    This past Sat. night I was with a friend of mine in his car, so I flipped on 89.5 WSOU. The song playing was “Frost Hammer”! Sweeeeeeet. I found that quite surprising.

  • wtfhax

    Sleep is fucking awesome.

    Om and High on Fire are fucking awesome.

    I hope both bands continue to get bigger and bigger and I hope Sleep comes here on a reunion tour (Kansas plz Matt and Al)

    Whatever Matt is doing, I hope he keeps doing and keeps HoF alive for a long, long time.

    DROP
    OUT
    OF LIFE
    WITH
    BONG
    IN
    HAND

  • Steph

    I thought this was weird too. It’s like when Mastodon put out Leviathan and were suddenly huge and popular with people who don’t like metal, except High on fire and Matt Pike have been around for ages and nobody cared.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Sean-Heron/9391234 Ryan Sean Heron

    I don’t think alot of people really knew about high on fire before this latest album came out. Unless you were really into the sludge / stoner metal scene and the southern metal scene for a years you probably never even heard about high on fire unless Phil Anselmo mentioned how much he liked them in an interview off the cuff or something along those lines. High on Fire are the same band they’ve always been. they haven’t really brought themselves to some incredible new heights with the new record. they’re just getting themselves into the metal consciousness. Maybe that’s the label, or maybe that the result of years of paying their dues. I don’t really consider them a new band. Maybe opening for all those tours has paid off. whatever it is, they deserve it . high on fire fucking rules!

  • ilovecrackct

    After reading the MS article on what it takes just to make money in the music bizz, coupled with the fact that Matt Pike was (or still is) working at a bistro just to make ends meet, its great to hear that HoF is considered big time now. Matt Pike is a solid veteran, and if any band deserves to skip a step its HoF. Saw them at Daniel St. in Milford, Ct.,they killed.

  • Riff Engine Ear

    The Pike is a god amongst vermin. HIGH ON FIRE deserve all the success in the world and more besides!!!

  • http://www.johnkanesmith.com johnfuckingsmith

    i guess they’re promoted a little more these days. i dont go to record stores so i wouldnt know. from just looking at the web i didnt think they were promoted that much more than usual…

    anyway, this band will never sell out, ever. matt pike doesnt give a fuck about anything. he writes music about crazy shit and plays his own way. and they’ll play a big venue the same as a sweaty bar. dude comes out with his shirt off every time and destroys. he’s in it for the music, not the fame. the guy is down to earth as shit, a real metal mans man. plus hes himself and doesnt hold back in any interview conducted and that has to be respected.

    if the crowd gets douchey as the shows get larger id imagine he would fall back. this guy is in it for the music and the lifestyle, not fame (although money is always good). and that said, i saw my first HoF headliner recently and the place was jammed packed and there wasnt a single chode in sight.

  • Permafrost

    High On Fire opening for Opeth a few years ago is what sold me on them. Any success these guys get right now is well deserved.

  • Fufkin

    Matt Pike is the reeeel deal – love his guitar playing

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Sterner/1335958279 Andrew Sterner

    Didn’t see their record at the local FYE(which has had an abundance of Amon Amarth since 2009 for whatever reason), so I can’t rightly say they’re “mainstream.”

    When(if they aren’t already) they get there, they deserved. New album is ridiculously nasty.

  • stu1

    I love HonF and wish them all the success in the world. However, I don’t think they’ve gotten than much bigger. I’m willing to bet, at the end of the day, this record doesn’t sell drastically more than the last. The venues they’re playing aren’t a huge jump, overall, from where they were. They had a pretty solid support bill on this one, who all had a lot of hype, too. E1 probably spent way more promoting it than Relapse had. Someone above said they didn’t notice more promotion behind it, which is ludicrous; there was shit everywhere for it.
    If their next tour does these same venues with the same results, or goes to bigger venues and does well, and the record leaps over the Relapse records, then I’ll totally agree. Until then, I’m not seeing them as really much “bigger” than before.

  • Geekbeater

    Another shitty band Vince promotes on this site. Ive tried to like them (just like Mastodon) and I do not see what the big deal is. The dudes vocals are awful. Hipster/beard weirdo metal blows. Bring on the new ALL SHALL PERISH!

    • enemyofgod72

      High on Fire, Hipster? They’ve been underground so long they can’t play daylight shows. And beard weirdo metal? You may want to look at the band photo again since none of the band members sport a beard. Lastly All Shall Perish should just Perish, they suck!

    • stu1

      You are a complete and utter retard.

  • enemyofgod72

    Wow this odd. Did I miss something? Not a single bashing of HOF? I love ‘em and the new album is killer but it’s odd not to see at least a few haters out there. I’ve had “Bastard Samurai” on almost a constant loop for a few days now. Matt Pike has worked his ass off for years now so I’m glad he’s now getting some much deserved attention. If anyone hates on HOF for gaining a little much deserved popularity they’re a damn idiot! I never understood hating on a band for becoming popular as long as they didn’t change their sound to do it. The production is a little cleaner on “Snakes for the Divine” but not dramatically better and I haven’t noticed that much extra hype over what their last couple of releases on Relapse had. I read Revolver magazine pretty regularly and they’ve hyped HOF pretty regularly since “Blessed Black Wings” came out. I know it made their top ten year end list that year and HOF have been hyped off and on in the mag ever since then. I think their new found popularity is just the natural progression of that coupled with what is a fucking tight album.

    • Ares

      agreed. I’ve been loving them for years, I thought they already WERE a well respected and well known metal band.

  • http://www.bayareametalscene.com DS

    Haha, High on Fire totally deserve all the recognition. Get your head outta your ass with that Binary Code bullshit and let East Oakland grind your bones into tiny pieces.

  • Brock Sterns

    They deserve it all. I’ll analyze their popularity trends the day I hear a HOF song that I don’t love.

  • Hunter S.

    How did they get so big? My guess would be…. hard work, being a good fucking band and getting on the Mastodon Dethclock tour. Ps: With all due respect, Vince… You are a chode. High on Fire is one of the best things to ever happen to Metal and you think they are just ok. What the fuck dude?

    • stu1

      They were playing at doors on the Mastodon tour. Barely anyone saw them.

  • durangedone

    has anyone thought that just maybe it’s their management team? that’s my first thought. these dudes have been really nurtured and people are busting ass for them.

    • stu1

      I think their manager does Slayer and Mastodon from what I’ve heard.

  • breakfast sandwiches

    they’ve had hot sauce for years, and it’s not selling out. hydrahead puts out fucking mugs and coasters for all their bands, are they selling out? fuck off.

  • Stolas Trephinator

    I don’t know about zero to sixty, man. I felt like ‘Blessed Black Wings’ was a big step for them, and that their albums have been covered more and more as they went along. Didn’t Mastodon famously meet at a High On Fire show? They’re sort of the Motorhead of today in that respect–the people who know have known for a while.

  • Pete

    It also doesn’t hurt that they’re playing better than ever. I’ve seen them 6 or 8 times, and the last time I saw them – a few weeks ago – was by far the best.

    Also Jeff Matz has been such a great addition to that band. The songs, and the playing have only gotten better with him on the bass.

  • K.G. Nesbitt

    This is the sort of article I read this blog for. My regards to the chef.

  • Speedy

    I like how you use your stance as a non-fan to just go ahead and strip them of any credit they have for their own success. You’re scum.

  • Dandypance

    What a foolish article.

    High on Fire have consistantly put out fucking amazing albums, getting fucking better and better with each release.

    Many of us have been fans since the first album.
    Why? Because it was fuckin sick, as has each successive album.

    Good for them.

    And this ill-informed poster should just go back to his Dream Theater records and old spank mags and quit blogging.

    Sick blog bro…