POLL: ARE DEATHCORE VOCALISTS INTERCHANGEABLE?

Thursday, August 26th, 2010 at 1:20pm by

As one of the few MetalSucks writers willing to wax poetic on the merits of deathcore, I am often subjected to a litany of nasty, grammatically incorrect comments below my posts on such notable artists as Emmure and Suicide Silence. Several basement-dwelling, WiFi-leeching mouthbreathers regularly feel the need to slag the subgenre for perceived crimes against metal. Yet today, I empathize somewhat with these pimple-faced sex-starved haters, feeling especially vexed by a troubling turn of events in the community. Chelsea Grin vocalist Alex Koehler, having suffered a jaw fracture, has had to bow out of a planned Canadian tour with Blind Witness and Attila. Rather than cancel, the group has instead recruited Oceano vocalist Adam Warren to take on pig squealing duties for these dates (which you’ll find below).

And while this does sound like a unique and special opportunity for my neighbors to the north, it does raise an ugly nagging question that I pose to you, faithful reader: are deathcore vocalists interchangeable?

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  • Slaughterhouse

    Like with anything, they great standout and the mediocre get lost

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Will-Morley/618112437 Will Morley

      Totally agree.

    • Waldo

      Sick

      • I don’t hate metal

        sick

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zach-Gates/14209777 Zach Gates

    Depends on the band. Some sound the same, for example I couldn’t tell the difference between JfaC or Whitechapel’s vox. But Mitch from Suicide Silence DOES have a very distinct sound since he does a lot more high screeches than most of his peers.

    But really, are deathcore vocals in ANY way different from black or death metal vox in this regard? Can you honestly tell the difference between Emperor or Mayhem instantly? How about Suffocation versus Decapitated?

    • Ryan

      Yes, I can. Between Suffocation and Decapitated more than Emperor or Mayhem, but yes.

      • Andy Synn

        Emperor vs Mayhem is perhaps a bad example to choose, however I get this guy’s point.

        • http://www.myspace.com/palehorseofhell lord assenfroth

          yea ihsahns voice is so distinctive and wonderful. but i guess every genre has its bland generic sound alikes

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Will-Morley/618112437 Will Morley

            Yeah, Ihsahn has one of the most distinctive and consistent voices in Black Metal.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zach-Gates/14209777 Zach Gates

            You’re right, bad pick. I was fresh from the gym and just picking names out of a hat, but yeah. At least you get my drift. And especially in the whole genre of rasp/growl/scream/grunt metal, there’s not a TON of variation. Singling out deathcore is kinda pointless.

            For every Varg or Glen Benton there’s a million guys that sound all the same, and that’s not specific to any one metal subgenre.

    • Jake

      Mikael Akerfeldt, Jari Maenpaa, Petri Lindroos, Shagrath (yea, I went there), Muhammad Suicmez, ect. all have VERY distinct vocal styles, along with the fact that some of them can sing as well, and all understand how to write technical, interesting songs. On the other hand, Waking the Cadaver has yet to produce a song with something I even recognize as a note. Deathcore has no more musical merit that Justin Beiber or Lady Gaga.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Will-Morley/618112437 Will Morley

        Your argument is retarded. All of you elitist assholes are so boring. I don’t think that a deathcore band as varied or unique as Opeth has emerged yet but the genre is less than a decade old. I don’t listen to that much deathcore but I can certainly tell the difference between the their vocalists. Also, using a shit band like Waking the Cadaver as your example just makes you look like a fucking idiot. You could do the same with any genre of music. There will always be boring generic bands no matter what you listen to but there are good bands too.

        • Andy Synn

          I agree that setting up paper tigers like WTC is a weak way to defend an argument.

          However I would like to add that I think the genre is in many ways extremely limited (much as there are some very good bands in it) in what you can do with it. Simply trying to go “more brutal” is a recipe for mediocrity, which I think is why you see so many bands moving on fromt heir “deathcore phase” towards something else – not because they are ashamed of it, i’m not saying that, but because to progress as a band they find that the confines of the genre are just too tiny to allow for progression.

          I don’t think there will ever be a “deathcore-Opeth” simply because the genre is very, very limited in its outlook. However I do belive that we will see some of the artists from the scene develop over time.

          And I haven’t seen that much elitism int his thread yet to be honest. Be careful throwing the word “elitism” around as a defence – generally people are starting to throw accusations of “elitism” at anyone who has high standards with their music, often regardless of genre conventions – it’s easy to cry “elitist pricks” at any group who happens not to share your opinion (not that i’m suggesting you’re exactly doing this) when they (as a group) might simply have standards that whatever abnds you are defending don’t seem to live up to. It’s not a genre thing, perhaps it’s just a quality thing?

      • http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/ Sergeant D

        Who the fuck are the people you mentioned in the first sentence?

        Also, you’re a retard if you don’t understand how ridiculously talented Lady Gaga is #srsly

        • Andy Synn

          Shhh.

    • Slaughterhouse

      I can definitely tell the difference from Davy and Phil…but think Mitch sounds generic lol.

    • HARRYDICKERSON

      As others have already said, with any genre some vocalists stand out, while the numerous and less talented clones all seem to blend in to one another in a sea of mediocrity.
      between the more popular bands I can easily tell a difference though.
      A more appropriate question would be, are deathcore vocalists of different races interchangeable?

  • Cladgemeister

    Depend who the vocalist is, Johnny Davy is a pretty wicked vocalist, whereas the guy from Emmure is pretty shiterific. I find the more hardcore orientated vocals are the most interchangeable.

  • Andy Synn

    I think the only real point is…

    Interchangeable and unambitious vocalists are interchangeable and unambitious.

    Same with any genre. I’d also say that it’s certain “characterful” vocalists who are in many ways lucky, they have voices that are isntantly recognisable (see above: I’d recognise Ihsahn’s voice anywhere as he has a very distinctive vocal style and range within black meta. Certain other vocalists of course, not so much). That’s not a dig at vocalists who aren’t as unique – it jsut so happens that, particularly with “extreme” vocal styles, lots of people have a very similar range and delivery. You do the best you can. If you’re lucky or if you really work at something in particular you can make your contributions stand out.

    That’s the main problem with the stereotypical deathcore idea that “heavier/more br00tal is better” as at a certain point guttural vocals in particular become a) indecipherable, and b) indistinguishable from anyone else doing the same thing. Pig Squeals are even worse as there’s nothing even remotely artistic or cathartic about them, it’s jsut an identikit noise certain vocalists make to mask lack of inspiration. Due to it’s perceived “extremity” the pig-squeal is perhaps the vocal style which is in fact least unique. Everyone sounds the same, and they all sound stupid.

    Doing something for extremity’s sake is stupid anyway. I’d not hesitate to say that the most distinctive “heavy” vocalists, across all “extreme” genres, are the ones who perform with the most character and – in many ways – the least thought towards how “extreme” they sound. They just want to sound like themselves.

    The vast majority of deathcore vocalists (probably due to age and cultural differences – and these will of course change and develop over time) seem less interested in being distinctive personalities and more in jsut achieving some nebulous notion of “perfect brutality” which just seems like a rather impotent goal.

    So, in conclusion. Yes, but only in Canade, eh?

    • Altered Bestiality

      You can hear the French accent in the singer from Despised Icon, especially in “The Ills of Modern Man”, the song.

      What were you talking about again?

      • Andy Synn

        Which one? One of their vocalists was always superfluous imo.

        Please don’t go on strike though.

        • Goro923

          Yeah dude really I can’t tell those guys apart for the life of me…

  • Jake

    And the score comes to
    Metalsucks: 118
    Gary: 22

    • http://www.metalsucks.net/category/scraping-genius-off-the-wheel/ Gary Suarez

      DARK HORSE VICTORY

    • Doc

      Gary will keep hitting ‘his’ button to keep it under 70% against him.

  • hector

    Fuck yes! They all suck and sound identical.

    • The Ravager

      dumbass alert

  • Jack

    Guy Kozowyk, and the guy from Animosity both stand out when looking at Deathcore vocalists. I guess the guys in Despised icon are decent too.

    • Alex

      Why does everyone call Animosity deathcore? How do they sound even remotely similar to bands like Whitechapel, Oceano, Despised Icon, etc.? Did anyone even listen to Animal?

      • hobo7088

        I ask myself the same thing every day. Animosity was sick and they’re always grouped with the mainstream noobs.

        • ITTOA666

          Same with The Red Chord.

          • KMFCM

            Red Chord get blamed for deathcore, that’s why they get lumped in

  • http://www.myspace.com/turbidnorth Turbid Adam

    What a great post!

  • Colin

    This is like a poll on if underwear is interchangeable.

  • Ben

    I bet all of those scene chicks who go see them are gonna be so disappointed when they find out their hot singer has been replaced by a huge black guy.

    • Andy Synn

      Disappointed?

      Or… the other thing?

      • soy el niño más bonito

        +1

        @Ben nice pointless, vaugely-but-sorta-not racist comment btw

  • thirteenburn

    C’mon now; there is NOTHING distinct nor unique about “Cookie Monster” vocals backed by a bunch of geeked out chimps bashing away incensantly on instruments.

    Guitars with obnoxious, over-driven distortion, playing speed for no other reason than speed’s sake, more often than not hitting a ‘speed wobble’ and crashing into a sludgy cachophony; drums & bass played by methed out neanderthals, again, playing as fast as they can (probably ONLY because they have to keep up the aforementioned guitars) and failing miserably as the music sounds like nothing but unmusical, droning crap, end of story, period.

    If more of this crap sounded like Slayer, it would be far more popular and accessible than just a comparative handful of 20-plus year old jean jacketed fkwits living in their mommy’s basement and who’s brains are the consistancy of watery oatmeal.

    Sadly, this garbage is now being marketed as “mainstream metal” via Headbangers Ball, which is why no one watches it anymore…well, outside of the aforementioned brain dead basement dwellers, that is.

    • http://www.myspace.com/palehorseofhell lord assenfroth

      im pretty sure slayer fans are the only ones still wearing jean jackets, dude. deathcore kids wear girl pants, have beiberswoops and are more metrosexual than robin williams in birdcage, and are probably to scared of the basement to live in it. i agree that deathcore bands fail miserably as music, but the fact that you call it “cookie monster” vocals makes me think you probably aren’t to knowledgeable about this subject.

      • Andy Synn

        Some people are just SO angry. This is why I don’t leave the house and exist solely on the internet.

    • http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/ Sergeant D

      8/10, keep working at it bro, you’re almost there!! Try feigning ignorance, it’s more subtle

  • Lucifersmile

    Interchangable but I’m ok with that as long as it’s brutal.

  • Peter

    Let’s not forget, that singers also write vocals/the rhythm pattern of the vocals, which basicly works as an aditional instrument in most metalbands with this kind of singing. I listen to some deathcore bands and wouldn’t deny that at all, cause there’s some good stuff in the soup.

  • Kye

    As most of the comments have stated, it’s the same as any other genre. There are those who do the stereotypical thing and those that don’t. Generally, if you’re a fan of the music, or just really listening to and analyzing it, you’re going to hear a difference, because, in the end, they’ve all technically got different voices.

    Also, like any other genre, not every deathcore vocalist utilizes the same techniques.

  • Austin

    Goddamn you people criticize Deathcore as much as possible its like your crutch. Like one of the people who commented earlier said “there are good bands and shit bands in EVERY genre” you just have to look to find them. I personally LOVE both Oceano and Chelsea Grin and though I would like to see Adam do vocals for them it would not sound nearly the same..

    • Andy Synn

      This comment confuses me… we criticise it so much by saying that there are good bands and bad bands?

      Also i’d say that both Oceano and Chelsea Grin are bad examples of deathcore. But don’t worry, the deathcore bands I like don’t seem all that popular so I clearly have no taste in my ‘core.

      • Austin

        Nonononono not that. Im referring to all the people on here who simply badmouth Deathcore while they listen to only Nile and Immolation all day < both just awful in my opinion. The music that you like is a matter of opinion noone should get worked up and butthurt over a genre they dont like or simply havent given a chance its ridiculous.

        • Andy Synn

          Well sir, I love Nile and whilst I do not agree with what you say I’ll defend to the death your right to say it!!!

          I do think deathcore does itself no favours, but in many ways it’s not exactly the music that is the problem it’s the lowest-common denominator factor – lots of people wanting to be brutal but nothing more than that. It’s the fact that it;s often presented to idiots as “the best thing ever” which makes them get into it and pursue it down increasingly more confined and moronic alleyways. After all,t here ARE bands out there doing it with intelligence.

          In essence it’s like when Limp Bizkit were big – 90% of the audience went out and formed their own “tortured” nu-metal band to bitch about how crappy the world was and how they’d been bullied. 10% of the audience thought “wait a second… I can probably do something interesting with this”.

          The effect just seems so much more prominent in deathcore because the internet and other sources have incrased the saturation – otherwise it’s no different.

          The equation is : most people are idiots – deathcore is amrketed to these idiots for the “ease of brutality” – these idiots take the genre round in ever-decreasing circles – whilst some people try and take it somewhere interesting.

          It;s the people who are the problem – we’d have much better music if there were no people…

        • deathcore sucks

          you like deathcore but yet you say nile and immolation suck and you say that every one who hates deathcore only listen to one genre of metal i like at least one band in every genre of metsl even genre i hate strongly but deathcore not one band i like its just one big pile of shit that needs end soon. also explian how nle and immolation suck

  • Genial Gentile

    I don’t really give a shit, I just want to know who mangled that kid’s face.

    • Austin

      i didnt hear the whole story but he got in a fight with someone and got kicked in the face

  • jadon

    i still dont understand y every hates deathcore so much. its a branch of death metal (which i love) but its just more brutal. face it, no matter how stupid you think deathcore is, it doesnt take away from the fact that it is more brutal. THAT is what i look for in music, brutality and talent. I have to agree though that sum deathcore bands are just flat out stupid. I really dont care for suicide silence. super repetitive and the vocals just give me a headache. they r sooo annoying. but back on the topic of whether deathcore vocals are interchangeable. I can see how the listener of heavy and death metal would think that but coming from a metal enthusiast (meaning i appreciate all kinds of metal, except for black metal) I can tell the difference and not all bands hav interchangable vocals. As much as i hate to say this about jfac, their vocals are pretty generic. As good as he can bree they are still pretty generic. Fortunately jfac isnt as obnoxious as some (suicide silence again comes to mind). Anyway, Im probly gonna get a bunch of flak for this but i just thot id share my thots as sumone who appreciates nearly any kind of music.

    • Andy Synn

      Is it really more “brutal” though? Or is it jsut more repetitive? Personally I like my music to be “heavy” but I think that being “heavy” is about much more than how low you tune and how hard you pummel your instruments. I wouldn’t think any deathcore band is really as heavy as say Decapitated or Suffocation. They might consider themselves more “brutal” because they don’t go in for any of that pussy “subtlety” nonsense, but is that really a good thing?

      In fact that’s a side-question, is that a good thing? Is that the be-all-and-end-all of music? Hell if that’s the case there are some gabba and hardcore techno artists who put each and every single deathcore band to shame.

      I think the problem is that the “pursuit of brutality” is pretty much devoid of any artistic merit.

      That being said there are bands who have been tagged as “deathcore” who I feel are heavy/brutal simply by circumstance. They’re making their music honestly and it jsut happens to be of a certain level of sonic brutality. I can get behind that.

      The issue is just how soulless it is… when everyone is simply trying to tune lower and write the chuggiest, heaviest, most brutal riff ever then we end up in an artistic cul-de-sac where everyone is simply providing tiny varioations on a very, very well-worn formula.

      And again, I like some of the bands who are tagged as “deathcore” – and I wouldn’t want them to change their sound, I just think that a huge proportion of the bands in the genre aren’t in there because of chance and how their music sounds, but purely because they chose to limit themselves to very low horizons. I know it’s cliche to say, but there are people out there whose only ambition is to be a run of the mill deathcore band, they have nothing more to offer. It’s so studied and so limited in conception.

  • DemonicLemming

    Deathcore fucking sucks. Ability, talent, and variation > “omg trUe brOOTALEYT!” any day. It’s even funnier when the kids getting off on “brutality” are fucking spaghetti-armed, pasty-skinned little pussies who go crying to mommy when they stub their toe. Displacement theory, I think it is. Oh well. The world needs passive-aggressive garbage men and accountants.

    Yes, while there are shitty bands in every genre, deathcore stands out because EVERY band in the genre sucks. “Fuck you for making it, fuck you for selling it, and fuck you for buying it” is pretty apt.

    Oh, per the original question: of course they’re all interchangeable. It doesn’t take much to gurgle through indecipherable lyrics and add some “Brie brie wheeee urgggggg” bits every once in a while.

    • Andy Synn

      That’s a little harsh, and tends to feed the deathcore kiddy defence of “you’re all elitists”.

      I tend tot hink that providing a reasoned and thought out argument makes it difficult for defenders of bad music to reply. When you sink down to their level and just shout “deathcore sucks!” then you make it easier both for them to respond to you AND to ignore you.

      Whereas by attempting to open a dialogue you often expose those who haven’t really got much of anything to back up their argument, and are occasionally pleasantly suprised when you encounter someone who does have something intelligent to say in defence of the genre.

      Hello, I’m Henry Killinger.

      • DemonicLemming

        Yeah, but you’re talking to people defending deathcore. Use a couple big words and their eyes glaze over – what fun insulting a deaf and dumb brick wall?

      • soy el niño más bonito

        and this is my magic murder bag

        • Andy Synn

          10 points!

    • Austin

      LOL im just putting it out there seems like someone raged hard over this.
      Sorry bro but all deathcore isnt gurgling and breeing granted there are many bands that do rely on those, Oceano and Chelsea Grin are not those that do. Alex Koehler and Adam Warren are very talented but very different and NONE of their music involves gurgles or brees. Exception of Chelsea Grins EP.

      • Andy Synn

        I’m glad we can agree that “gurgles and brees” are bad.

        Seriously, why have lyrics at all? (Particularly when most of them are suburban white kids trying to talk about being serial killers/rapists/overall badasses… honestly, the word “anus” appears so many times in Ingested’s lyrics that I think someone has a secret….)

        Deathcore kids remind me far too much of an abortion called “Tim Westwood”, only the metal version.

        And actually I don’t mean to use the term “deathcore kids” as a pejorative, so will try not to from now on!

      • DemonicLemming

        Raged? Not really. It took me all of two minutes to write off the top of my head while some clients were leaving. Sure, not “all” deathcore is gurgling, but the majority is. Not “all” nu metal is horrible, but it all gets lumped together. See where I’m going with this? One good band in a sea of shitty bands shouldn’t expect to confound generalisations; they should expect to be drowned in them.

  • Steph

    Deathcore is basically death metal played by people with no idea why death metal is good. Everything about it is interchangable.

  • Clement

    Alexander Dietz from Heaven Shall Burn, if you count them as deathcore, is good. And the dude from Suicide Silence isn’t bad.

    • Andy Synn

      I’d say HSB are a melodeath band to be honest, although I have seen them tagged as Deathcore before now.

  • kyle

    any music genre could be considered generic bullshit. i think each big band has somethin different to put out and makes them standout. then the local acts around the country jump on the bandwagon and i guess a few of them slip threw the cracks.

  • orbital

    Restoring to troll posts now? Calling out and insulting readers and putting forth an absurd question, I think it’s pretty safe to say the only reason you still write for this site is because everyone responds to you. You claim to have respect for some of deathcore’s players, but you come out and basicly douse the whole genre with gasoline for readers to light a match to.

  • CC

    See this is why all you long haired fat fucks who love cephalic carnage and vital remains and decapitated and necrophagist all jerk off to posts ragging deathcore.
    Whether you say it or not YOU ARE a metal elitist if you jam every fucking band into a little catagory.
    Yes there are brees and pig squeals.
    Hey guess what? Fucking “real” death metal bands as you call them do it to.
    But there again, Red Chord, Veil of maya, All Shall Perish, Ion Dissonance, See you next tuesday, Despised Icon, and even the faceless are deathcore bands whether you admit it or not.
    And just because deathcore bands dont want to sound like slayer, metallica, and megadeth isnt fucking wrong.
    Honestly some of those bands should fucking die honorably by now but i dont give two shits enough to bitch about them.
    And yes they are interchangable in Canda only.

    • Andy Synn

      So, so angry.

      • treghet

        Yeah, he’s pretty mad.

        • CC

          The truth is angry.

          • Andy Synn

            The truth is out there.

    • derp

      “Red Chord, Veil of maya, All Shall Perish, Ion Dissonance, See you next tuesday, Despised Icon, and even the faceless are deathcore bands whether you admit it or not.”

      But I hate all of those bands.

      Now what?

      • DemonicLemming

        +1. Just because I hate deathcore doesn’t mean I like black metal, most death metal (in fact, only small specific bits of it), or other “br00t@lZ” metal. I actually find the whole dress-up gig in metal as laughably adolescent as shit like ICP’s costumes, too.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Coty-Watson/100001529609099 Coty Watson

      Well, like EVERY GENRE OF MUSIC out there, there are some good bands and some bad bands. Does dteathcore sound similar? Yes. Does DeathMetal sound similar? Yes. I can tell a difference between Decapitated and Necrophagist, but just barley
      Same way with deathcore, I can tell the difference between Whitechapel and Oceano, but just barley.
      It’s different techniques and textures that make the vocalist, every “metal” vocalist in the world knows this you have highs, lows, and mids. Some sound a little different but that may be an accent, or a speech impediment, or the way the person talks.
      Some are better at highs, some are better at mids, some shouldn’t be vocalists.
      It’s all about preference. Some vocals are cleaner.. Some more distorted or “gridny”.
      If you categorize Deathcore fans as “Sweepy haired, skinny jean wearing, suicide silence t-shirted, Kid with plugs” then that’s wrong, ’cause You can do it with every genre
      Death metal:
      Scandinavian-metal t-shirt, long unhealthy locks, beard, faded iron maiden ink, smokes weed, possibly overweight.
      Country:
      John Deere hat, short hair, fucked up teeth, confederate flag (IT’S NOT A REBEL FLAG YOU DUMBASSES) t-shirt, muddy boots, and a dip in his lip.
      See even with other genres it can be replaced, show me one genre of music (at least six years old) where the vocals can’t be interchanged
      What is really shitty and deserves no recognition is “crunk/crabcore” awful stuff, just terrible

  • Steve O

    Depends on the vocalist. I don’t listen to deathcore all that much so I’m not overly familiar with the actual music of most of the bands, but from the ones I’ve heard, Vincent Bennett, Guy Kozowyk and Phil Bozeman are easily distinguishable (and are pretty damn sweet).

    Even though Whitechapel sucks.

  • nathan

    THis is SHIT. all the power to them for getting on with it. they really want to tour, so why not make it happen by asking another band’s singer to join them.

    some deathcore is generic, but some of the better metal out there is given that label. Despised Icon as an example. Deathcore is a stupid term by the way. death metal with slams is what i call it.

  • http://www.stuffyouwillhate.com/ Sergeant D

    Gary, do you ever feel bad because it’s just SO EASY??? Sometimes I do. Sometimes I feel like the challenge is gone, but you know what? I queue up a new post, and that feeling disappears as soon as I think of all the butthurt comments I get to read the next day.

    • orbital

      So I am right. Gary is a troll

  • nsv81

    Deathcore is the new nu-metal.

    1. It’s currently the popular “trend” in heavy music, as evidenced by the massive, nearly cult-like following of fans who all dress identically (everyone remember ADIDAS sweat-gear, bleached spiky hair, and super baggy pants/jeans/UFOs??; today we have sideways brim hats and/or emo haircuts, tight girl jeans, and band shirts so colorful I often get them confused with gay pride garments).

    2. Due to being what’s popular, most record labels (save for the few remaining respectable ones) are signing 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generation deathcore bands hoping to cash in quickly before the trend fades away into obscurity.

    3. The sub-genre, while currently the most popular, is simultaneously the most hated. The people who enjoy it will argue and fight to the death to defend it while the haters will protest against it for sucking so bad relentlessly (and endlessly).

    Just making some observations ’cause I think it’s funny how history constantly repeats itself, albeit in varying degrees and manifestations. Five years from now deathcore will be a fading memory and a new trend will emerge in much the same way, driven primarily by the mass consumption of metal’s youth. Ten years from now we’ll see deathcore bands reuniting in hopes of re-living past glories.

    Honestly, the main difference between nu-metal and deathcore is that the former had better timing and more mass appeal in terms of profitability/marketability. You’ll never see a deathcore band sell anywhere near the numbers that bands like Korn and Limb Bizkit did. For better or worse, I’m indifferent to deathcore, couldn’t really care less one way or another, though a few of the bands sort of bother me. On the other hand, I did thoroughly enjoy nu-metal since it was a big part of what I listened to during my teenage years. Unfortunately it doesn’t hold up to time very well, save for a few bands. Hmmmm, ok my mind just wandered in eight different directions…..end rant.

    • Steph

      It’s worse than nu-metal, at least nu-metal was funny and the bands looked and sounded ridiculous instead of exactly the fucking same. Also, Deftones.

  • It’s Not Me, It’s You

    metal is shit.i shit on your lack of musical diversity.fuck metal.

  • Randy

    I was thinking to myself which trend is worse nu-metal back in the day or deathcore now. I feel like there were some “nu-metal” bands I’d actually enjoy listening to more…

  • soy el niño más bonito

    i didn’t bother to read the rest of the comments, but this is a fucking retarded question.

    in terms of technique and what kinds of vocals are needed you could say that all deathcore vocalists are interchangeable, but you could say that about any genre. every person has a distinct voice, so in the sense that you could switch the singers from any two deathcore bands and no one would notice, no, they’re not all interchangeable because you could easily notice the difference. while there are SIMILARITIES between vocalists, and while these similarities may make them sound ALMOST the same, there are always subtle nuances in intonation, pronunciation, range or what have you that differentiate every vocalist from every other one.

  • AAAAAHHHHHHH

    as a death metal vocalist…pig squealing is the easiest of all the ranges. it’s all in the throat, there is no breath behind it. It’s usually my fallback plan when other ranges tire me out? I once filled in for a touring death metal band . the crowds seem to be bummed that I was there instead of the real singer. but they still got drunk and raised kane n what not? but the vocalist is out front and sometimes pressured to keep the identity of a band in that genre. So yeah they are interchangeable if the singer remains in the band.

  • wata

    I always thought part of the spirit of metal was to not care about labeling. I guess the spirit is dwindling.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Achilles-Kirkikis/1827481700 Achilles Kirkikis

    I read halfway through the comments and realized that this is just stupid. Regardless of how you feel about a genre of music there will always be fans of it. Personally I enjoy Deathcore and the more you listen to it the less generic or “cookie-cutter” it gets. There is musical talent behind it. Nowhere near an Opeth level of comprehension for music, but comparing Opeth to a deathcore band for musical ability is like comparing the Earth to the Sun for size. But Deathcore does require a sense of rhythm and technicality. And a lot of it involves originality. If a Deathcore band does something unique it helps push the band to new levels.

    Deathcore vocals are something that does take talent. Some vocalists may be interchangable. For example I think that Job For a Cowboy and the new In The Midst Of Lions album could have all been done by either vocalist. They are very similar. But many blackmetal and Deathmetal vocalists sound generic and the same. Much more than Deathcore. Whitechapel, For Today, Impending Doom (Nailed. Dead. Risen and Serpent Servant), and especially Oceano all have vocals that aren’t easy to duplicate and sound very original.

    I like to listen to almost all types of music. Especially metal. Including Metalcore and Deathcore. But I also like Black, Death, Thrash, Progressive, Technical etc. (Drumming is practically the same for every genre there) And Deathcore is vcery closely related to all those genres. Its just the tiny differences that seperate them.

    If you listen to a type of music you don’t listen to it will all sound the same at first anyway. Don’t be so quick to completely judge and shoot down a genre.

    In conclusion. Some Deathcore bands are Generic and do have interchangable vocals. But Its the same with every other type of music.

  • Blaaargh

    This is the stupidest fucking argument ever.

  • Olddgregg

    The best way to weed out the good from the bad is to go to a show and check them out. The select few who don’t have to cup the mic live should be the ones that stand out.

    On a side note… The only two deathcore bands I see progressing in the right direction are Born of Osiris and Veil of Maya. Brandon Butler has amazing vocals. His lows are ridiculous.

  • hymenpuncher

    nate johnson disagrees

    • nathan

      yeah, he’s sick. such sweet lows. if they had some more high pitched vocals on Malice, that would be one of the most crushing metal albums in the Deathcore style. it fell a bit short of five stars.

  • Freind For You

    I personally think that deathcore holds its purpose in the metal universe, to bring in new people to the good stuff like Necropahgist and Decapitated Decrepit Birth and The Faceless(planetary duality only). Although if they wanna stay and listen to deathcore do watcha want. i like deathcore because its Brootallll but i like decrepit birth and Periphery for the complex song writing. Veil of Maya is from ym town and i like them alot because they are brutal and have cool breakdowns but still have a very unique sound and style.
    All music is loved by someone – Freind For You

  • jason

    it’s bands like Chelsea Grin and Oceano that put people off the genre. if either of them were my first impression of deathcore I’d probably hate it too. rather than bitching about it, here’s some of the actually good bands in the genre:
    All Shall Perish (give a couple songs off all 3 albums a listen)
    Born Of Osiris
    Veil Of Maya
    Despised Icon (lots of weird time changes and stuff, worth a listen)
    Winds Of Plague (I know you’ll probably disagree, but don’t judge based on the impaler. listen to the song Decimate The Weak)
    Within The Ruins
    Carnifex (you’ll probably disagree here too, but it’s worth a listen)
    The Modern Age Slavery
    I could go on, but I’ll leave it at that. yeah, for every good deathcore band there’s a dozenterrible bands, but there’s some really good ones out there. stop being an elitist and open your mind

  • jason

    and add Burning The Masses to my list too, they’re like the faceless, but they use breakdowns

  • Heathens Heretic

    maybe I just dont delve deep enough into the “rules” of labeling metal because I’v been too busy for the last 13 years writing and playing what i thought was death metal. the more I read from this site the more confused I become. All I’v tried to do since I started playing any one of the 9 instruments I take joy in, is write and play heavy, competently composed and techinical yet well rounded music. when i hear people lumping comments about “BREE” metal bands (which i dont care much for, yet then againg i dont really care about vocals) with bands like the faceless (who I think are creative and enjoyable techinical level) I am confused about what makes them deathcore. considering I’v never heard a pig squeal come for them. I realize opinions are like ass holes and most of them are full of shit, but im really begining to loose my faith in the metal community. It seems like people are loosing sight of whats important. we all share a love for metal which unfortunately isnt that common of an interest. Im in the service stationed in germany and you wouldnt belive how hard it is to find people to jam with or even talk to about a love for metal. thats how I ended up on this sight and I’v gotta say im pretty dissapointed with how everything is so ambiguously labeled but everyone seems to believe they know exactly what theyre talking about. there are a few of you I share common views with but all an all, sad to see what a great style of music has been made into by its fans.

  • Justinchapel

    What’s the point in having a website dedicated to “metal” when you talk shit about the very sub-genre that is recruiting new metal fans around the world? Just like I couldn’t tell the difference between the vocalists of Breaking Benjamin and 10 Years because I don’t listen to them, you won’t be able to distinguish deathcore vocalists. I primarily listen to deathcore and can point out Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, Oceano, The Acacia Strain, Impending Doom, Chelsea Grin, blah blah blah, etc. strictly based on the vocals. Which is why As Blood Runs Black pisses me off when they have a different vocalist every fcking tour. Regardless, deathcore is getting the most recognition right now (just look at the 2010 Warped Tour lineup) and every other sub-genre isn’t progressing. So yes, you can get different vocalists to fill in much like Chelsea Grin is doing, but you CAN distinguish differences. Just like when Black Sabbath, Van Halen, and countless other bands have done.

    Also, check out UPON A BURNING BODY. they rape all competitors. DON’T FUCK WITH TEXAS

  • Ryan Jones

    Yo Justin Chapel, im agreeingwith you on liking deathmetal/core but none of those bands you listed sound alike at all. UABB is pretty legit and they do rape almost everyone, but no one can really replace Alex from CG as his pigsqueals are exhales. *ahem* everyone else seems to be doing inhales but on Desolation of Eden he does exhales for the most part and still manages to destroy everyone else. and if you dont regularly listen to and enjoy bands then ofcourse theyre all going to sound the same, granted there are countless copies of bands out there, i still think deathcore can have a future of those few bands who differentiate from all the rest and manage to come up with something legit to distinguish them from the pack. that might be another *shudder* subgenre but who cares. jam out, fuck shit up, and chillax bros.
    -Peace!

  • SIlhouettes

    Lots of deathcore rules, lots of death metal rules, lots of deathcore sucks, lots of death metal sucks. To me it just seems like people who listen to death metal are just more willing to mock other music than people who listen to deathcore. Think of the reasons you’re giving for deathcore sucking….vocals are just gurgles, all breakdowns, tune too low, just try to be brutal, all sounds the same. Now think of someone who doesn’t like metal at all. Play them a Through the Eyes of the Dead song and a Cannibal Corpse song. They’d probably say the same thing about both.

  • Dante

    Lol I love bands like I declare war, Whitechapel and Impending Doom (sissy white metal lyrics but catchy music) but sadly, their vocalists sound exactly the same. I’ve also heard a lot of deathcore besides those 3 bands, but all their vocalists sounded the same too! These three bands sound more death metal than deathcore, that’s why I like them.

    The problem with deathcore music (also what makes ”tr00 metalheads” hate it) is the fact that it sounds too clean and too polished, like rich kids trying to sound ”br00tal”, and since they all use really epensive studio quality, they tend to sound the same. So the vocals aren’t really that deep or ”brutal” as you hear them, it’s just the studio magic that makes them sound like that. I don’t hate it whatsoever, In fact I listen to Whitechapel everyday, but let’s face it. Deathcore vocalists are as interchangeable as t.shirts.

  • Dakotaw

    Another good deathcore band is After the burial but the new vocalist blows harder than a hooker for a thousand bucks. but most deathcore is nothing but breakdown after breakdown and i hate boring chugga chugga breakdown so therefore i hate most deathcore.

  • jj

    QUESTION ANSWERED: For live performances, yes they are interchangable. But as far as writing lyrics and vocal arrangements go, no they are not interchangable. Anyone can scream, but not everyone can write lyrics or arrange vocals, and each deathcore vocalist certainly has their “own thing” when it comes to vocals.

  • Shink

    Im not gonna say that ”deathcore is the evolution of death metal” cause that would just be ignorant . But i gotta say as a Death metal / Deathcore singer , that Deathcore singers make good use of Lows and highs and it is’nt like black metal where its mostly High’s , or Death metal where its mostly lows . and it rly forces you to alternate between growls and screams instead of just staying on one spectrum. but of coure everyone is gonna have a pull to one or the other . Mitch Lucker for example owns at highs and has decent lows , or Phil Bozeman does Beast Lows , and decent highs. just all in all i find Deathcore and Death metal have both rly pushed extreme vocals forward . and if this sounds somewhat random i slept about 4 hours last night lol