SEE? CLASSICAL MUSIC IS METAL

Wednesday, December 9th, 2009 at 5:02pm by

rachel barton pineA favorite topic of mine when discussing metal with non-metalheads is that I love to harp on the myriad similarities between metal and classical music (“Metal is SMART music for SMART people.”). I’ve written about it before in this space, and now The Deciblog has joined in on the debate with a guest entry from Rachel Barton Pine. Pine can now add “violinist of Earthen Grave” to her already impressive musical resume, and as a self-professed metalhead despite having been classically trained, she’s got some very strong opinions on the metal / classical music correlation.

In her guest blog for Decibel, Ms. Pine chooses her Top 5 Most Metal Pieces of Classical Music, describes why she believes they’re metal, and even includes sound samples in the form of mp3 and YouTube clips. Beethoven = doom metal? Fascinating. Check it out at Decibel’s website.

-VN

  • Beereded

    Well there’s this from the Necrophagist album Epitaph’s Wikipedia entry:
    Trivia:
    * The outro guitar solo on “Only Ash Remains” is derived from a piece from Sergei Prokofiev’s Romeo & Juliet Suite (Montagues & Capulets).
    * There is a section in “The Stillborn One” that is taken directly from the introduction of Ludvig van Beethoven’s “Für Elise.”
    That, and go listen to Unexpect. Whom have not been extensively mentioned on this website. Think I found 1 article/post mentioning them, and it was about a tour with a different band.

  • bobovdeath

    not only is she smart as hell about shit,but judging from the picture here and the one on the deciblog,shes also really hot

    • mrbinky

      Yeah, found some other pictures online too. She’s totally stacked.

    • justin

      who gives a fuck what she looks like? we’re talking about metal, not a fashion show. having breasts and a vagina gives her no more or less potential to be a good musician than anyone else.

      • Sacajawea

        Obviously gay.

        • justin

          if you disagree with me, you are obviously one of those assclowns who perpetuates the success of any number of no-talent bands who make money simply by being fronted by a hot chick with mediocre (at best) talent. giving anyone in the metal scene props based on their looks alone is what’s obviously gay, you tool.

  • Facebook User

    i know she mentioned the piece, but i definately think she should have put “Mars” by Holst on her list. that is an amazingly powerful piece and it’s so cool to perform.

    • Kuranes

      Also the foundation for the song “Am I Evil” by Diamond Head, made famous by Metallica.

    • Captain Wookie

      I will agree with you statements in regards to Mars. She also didn’t mention (much) Wagner, I think she was going for something a bit deeper because honestly in terms of individual classical pieces Mars is one of the first that come to my mind.

    • CJ

      Second that. Mars has the first breakdown in music history, at least to my knowledge. I saw The Planets performed by a symphony once, and I kept expecting someone in the audience to start windmilling during the Mars breakdown.

  • Taleim

    Also the intro from Ramses bringer of war by Nile is loosely based upon the before mentioned Mars from the planets, by Holst.

  • Alex_P

    Lest we forget that the legendary Trey Azagthoth dedicated “Blessed are the Sick” to Mozart.

    Also, I love the first track she selected, the “Iron Foundry”, but I don’t know if it really qualifies as classical. It seems to avant-garde to fit in, even if it is symphonic. All I can say is: Throbbing Gristle, eat your heart out.

  • http://Myspace.com/horseleskarriage Justin

    Igor stravinsky in my opinion has all the elements of metal way before anyone though about metal. Upon the first symphony playing his symphony the rite of spring, there were riots in the streets because the people didn’t know how to handle it. That’s freakin metal. Check it out. So amazing.

    • troe

      +1, agree.

      Right after the bassoon solo in the beginning everything gets extremely chaotic. In fact…I have the sheet music in front of me. The opening measures alternate between 4/4 and 3/4…and by the time the strings come in – pretty brutal.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgHMpYsv0_0&feature=PlayList&p=F99E8D3F8FE53C25&index=0&playnext=1 – Go to 3:23

      But on the subject of lists:
      Was pretty sure Bach’s Toccata and Fugue in D minor would’ve been there, for the obvious reasons. (edit: and as I scroll down someone has already mentioned this :D)

      Carl Orff’s La Carmina Burana can certainly make the cut too. I’m pretty sure a lot of you have heard the selection “O Fortuna”…if I recall, Tristaina actually uses/adapts a “movement” on their album World of Glass.

      And of course Vivaldi. Baroque, so metal?

      -Two cents, aborted.

  • http://Myspace.com/horseleskarriage Justin

    In all honesty, wrote that comment before reading the decibel interview ha. This chick is awesom.

  • http://uponwingsofblack.blogspot.com/ \m/Eluveitie\m/

    Fuck heavy metal, I’m calling it heavy classical from now on.

  • Beereded

    A tourist in Vienna goes through a graveyard and all of a sudden he hears some music. No one is around, so he starts searching for the source. He finally locates the origin and finds it is coming from a grave with a headstone that reads: ‘Ludwig van Beethoven 1770-1827.’ Then he realizes that the music is the Ninth Symphony and it is being played backward! Puzzled, he leaves the graveyard and persuades a friend to return with him. By the time they arrive back at the grave, the music has changed. This time it is the Seventh Symphony but like the previous piece, it is being played backward. Curious, the men agree to consult a music scholar. When they return with the expert the Fifth Symphony is playing, again backward. The expert notices that the symphonies are being played in the reverse order in which they were composed, the 9th, then the 7th, then the 5th. By the next day the word has spread and a throng has gathered around the grave. They are all listening to the Second Symphony being played backward. Just then the graveyard’s caretaker ambles up to the group. Someone in the group asks him if he has an explanation for the music. ‘Don’t you get it?’ the caretaker says incredulously-
    ……He’s decomposing.’

    • loganarchy

      i don’t get it

  • rachel

    I still stand by the thought that J.S Bach is our first real metal composer. Back in 1700′s, his music was approximate to our Nile, or anything really heavy and technical. Check out his Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. Holst’s Jupiter has some very metal stuff in it, and Schostakovich Symphony No. 5, last movement is my most metal piece I’ve heard. Rite of Spring is incredible as well.

  • Beereded

    Frylock: Look Meatwad, there are other kinds of music in the world. Here. How’d you like to get down with some real gangsters–from the 15th century?
    Meatwad: Bach? Beethoven? Are they down with the Pee Pants?
    Frylock: Well, they wore pantaloons back then, Meatwad.
    Meatwad: Shoot, boy, you’d get shot wearing that in my hood.

  • orbital

    LOL, I’m impressed with the knowledge in here. I grew up playing violin from the second grade on. 11 years of lessons and children’s symphonies.

  • Todd

    Most discussions of the correlations between metal and concert music are fairly superficial (metal is intricate and expressive; concert music is intricate and expressive; therefore concert music = metal). This one goes a little deeper, and I enjoyed it. Although, as usual, there isn’t much discussion of modernist music. Check out “Kraanerg,” a ballet by Iannis Xenakis, for some terrifying, and distinctly metal, concert music.

    • Beereded

      +1. I absolutely love modernist music. It does not get nearly the amount of recognition it deserves IMO. Seems people are still obsessing over the classics. Which, don’t get me wrong, are still good. But, I don’t know, it just seems that’s all the “classical” music casual listeners will listen to. Am I making any sense here?

  • justin

    she’s absolutely right about the 2nd movement of beethoven’s 7th. i’ve always thought that it is one of the heaviest and most profound pieces of music ever written. in addition to her discussion of stravinsky and mahler (who’s last symphony is also one of the most brutal pieces of music ever written), and the above mentioning of wagner and holst, i’d like to think that grieg also has some pieces that could definitely be considered to be very metal…. there’s metal in all kinds of classical music and vice versa.

  • kjetil

    Metal is music for smart people eh? Well let’s not get water over our heads shall we

  • Tonberry

    Hey, that’s Club Europa in Brooklyn. After the metal shows, they do Polish disco. Seriously.

  • CJ

    She fucking slays at violin, too. Watch her shred the solo on Cowboys From Hell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkaGogebHDw

    The audience laughs at first, and then their faces melt off.

  • The Greys

    Barton-Pine is an awesome violinist. For the past few weeks, I’ve been spinning her album “Instrument of the Devil,” a collection of devilishly inspired classical works. The woman’s a virtuoso. I’d certainly call her a shredder.

    On the subject of metal classical, I always thought the second movement of Bartok’s “Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta” was very thrashing and violent. There are moments that are so unrelentingly “metal” that they make me wanna mosh. It’s a great work … the first and third movements are very doom metal as well. Bartok’s music is frikkin’ scary.

  • SMisra

    Ms. Barton-Pine is even more impressive than you might imagine – she overcame a potentially fatal accident. I remember this being a big deal in the Chicagoland area when it happened: (from wikipedia)

    “On January 16, 1995, Barton Pine was severely injured in a train accident in the suburb of Winnetka, where she taught violin lessons. As she was exiting a Metra commuter train with her violin over her shoulder, the doors closed on the strap to her case, pinning her left shoulder to the train. The doors, which were controlled remotely and had no safety sensors, failed to open, and she was dragged 366 feet by the train before being pulled underneath and run over, severing one leg and severely mangling the other. Barton Pine was saved by the prompt application of tourniquets by several passengers who disembarked from the train after pulling its emergency brake handle.
    She sued Metra and in 1999, the case went to court. Metra argued that she made the choice not to extricate her arm from the strap of the violin case due to the value of the instrument, a 400-year-old Amati valued at around $500,000, and thus she carried most of the blame for her injuries. The jury decided otherwise, however. Metra changed its conductor safety procedures following the accident and made other changes to the trains themselves.”

  • Keepitwolf

    Check out the bands:

    Basilica
    Unexpect
    Grayceon
    Kayo Dot

    All have classical elements to their music… Also alot of modern tech death bands take their ques from classical.

    • Beereded

      Read the first post.

  • jfury

    Folks, she did, in fact, put “Mars” in there. Look under #4.

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    I saw Earthen Grave once when they opened for Macabre at the now defunct Pearl Room. They were okay at best.

  • metalchick666

    the new world symphony by dvorak is pretty heavy too…AMAZING PIECE…
    the dublin philarmonic orchestra does a great job – Gleeson gets really into it :D