L O S T WITH AS I LAY DYING’S NICK HIPA: REGARDING THE CLIFFSIDE CAVE LIST…

Tuesday, February 23rd, 2010 at 4:30pm by

Good day all,

This evening, a new episode of L O S T awaits with intentions of confusing, bamboozling, and casting us further down the six-season-vortex-of-mystery we have known for too long. Mid-season theorizing tends to be laborious in that the writers’ method for answering one question is to pose several more, which as a result leads to an overwhelming amount of hazy supposition on all forms of LOST sites. If any of you check out DarkUFO, The Fuselage , 4815162342, or even LOSTPEDIA, I’m certain you’ve noticed how gnarly it is to navigate through and read any concise analysis of what’s going on. The good news, though, is that the seemingly eternal-end-in-sight is right around the corner, and gauging from a lot of the ideas being shared here, I think we’re heading down the right path!

Last weeks episode “The Substitute” not only affirmed that the conflict between Jacob and Nemesis Dude is within the confines of strict rules (much like a game) and a regulator, but also that our castaways have been the subjects of manipulation as determined by whomever – allegedly Jacob – listed their names upon the inner walls of the cave . False Locke expressed to Sawyer that every single one of them were pushed to the Island by Jacob’s puppeteering of their freewill; after which he presents Sawyer with three options to go from there. Sawyer opts to side with False Locke under the pretense that it will lead him home.

Here are a few squabbles I have with the “reality of the situation” as presented by False Locke: The cliffside cave list conflicts with the list the Others made in season one immediately after the crash. It’s been established since season one that the Others are agents of Jacob, subservient to his bidding and unwavering in their allegiance. “Jacob’s list,” which they used as a reference to abduct select survivors, consisted of only “good people.” Noteworthy characters excluded from this list were “Shepard,” Kate, Sayid, and Locke. In the episode “Par Avion” we learn from Mikhail that the latter three were not on the list because they are flawed, and thus can never truly understand the Island. He also alludes that the lists were created by the “same great man” who brought them there (i.e. Jacob). Here we have an obvious inconsistency with who the Other’s and Nemesis Dude says is on Jacob’s list. Its a no-brainer who to believe: I’d side with the obedient followers of the list-making-man-in-question over his extremely deceptive Nemesis any time (horrible pun intended). Assuming Nemesis Dude is lying, what, then, is this a list for? I haven’t formed a completely solid theory yet, but something interesting I’ve noticed between all identifiable crossed out names: 317 – Cunningham, 10 – Mattingly, 2 – Lacombe, 1 – Sullivan, and now 4 – Locke, are all characters who have been murdered/ended up dead on the Island. Knowing Nemesis has the ability to manifest himself into the likeness of the dead, and also that a sickness exists (which I presumed last week to be in accordance with his Anti-Jacob essence), there is a high probability that these names are all pawns he’d strategically played in hopes of finding his Jacob-murdering-loophole and home-returning end.

“You have no idea how long its taken me to get here,” he told Jacob; if this is his cave and the names written are all pieces in his loop-holing puzzle, then it looks like, at the very least, it’s been fifty years!

As for False Locke wanting to “just go home,” I sense that this, too, is a lie. I suggested in my first column that Smokey and False Metal Locke were one in the same: a security system of the Island with a profound disdain for mankind. Since it has been proven that they pulled the ole’ Finkel/Einhorn maneuver on us, and that Nemesis and Smokey ARE the same dude, its reasonable to conclude that the Island is the only place he ever wanted to be (sans humanity, of course). With Jacob presumably dead, my guess is that his remaining objective will be to eradicate everyone (whom Jacob brought) from the place he calls home so it can go back to it being just that. Richard knows False Locke’s angle is “to see everyone dead,” and implored Sawyer to return to the temple. Sawyer, desperate to find tangible answers, refused. This type of non-reasonable abandon makes him extremely malleable to the will of Nemesis Dude, and knowing that he has already chosen a side, implies a strong likelihood that he’s gonna be deceived into murking fools soon.

One final thought I have on the Cliffside Caves actually belonging to Nemesis Dude goes back to the first conversation we see him having with Jacob. After telling Jacob his plans to find a loophole and murder him, Jacob responds by saying “Well, when you do, I’ll be right here.” The “right here” he is referring to is the Statue of Tawaret, where the conversation takes place and where we come to find Jacob has been living the entire time. The idea of him having a secret cave in a remote part of the Island, while plausible, seems improbable.

With all of I have previously surmised, the biggest mystery for me (on this topic) is the significance of Jacob’s encounters with the remaining names on Nemesis Dude’s list. We were explicitly shown that Jacob physically touched Locke, Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Jin, Sun, Hurley, and Sayid, yet their names are written in a list not of his own (with the exception of Kate). I’m not sure if this is a strategy Jacob employed as a counter against the loophole exploits of his Nemesis, OR, if it THAT is what actually qualified them for selection in Nemesis Dude’s plot in the first place; either way I can’t wait to see how it unfolds.

Tonight’s episode is going to take us back to the story line of Jack, Hurley, Jin, Temple people, and Crazy Claire. I’m pumped to find out more about the sickness, but more importantly, to get the lowdown on what Claire has been doing for the past couple of seasons! The preview looks pretty promising in that within thirty seconds we see an axe being welded as a potential weapon, a few hand gun flashes, and Jack getting aggro then smashing something! Hopefully Lindelof and crew set it off for us tonight!

-NH

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  • Lard

    I think they’re all going to get eaten by Hurley in the end

    • Nick

      It would be extremely hilarious if after all these years, questions, and mysteries; the writers choose to end it in such a manner!

  • soup

    i am confident that what we see on the wall is misleading.

    perhaps 23 – Sherphard refers to Christian and not Jack
    maybe 42 – could be the daughter of Jin and Sun.

    that’s all i have.

    • Nick

      I’m waiting for the last names to be assigned myself! If not Christian, what if Jack’s son David is the Shephard being referred to!? The alternate timeline so far has been pretty accurate in detailing the fundamental events in our characters lives, yet the situations surrounding them remain ambiguous. In the alternate timeline Christian dies in Australia and Claire is (allegedly) still his illegitimate daughter, Hurley wins the lottery (though with presumedly different numbers), Locke is handicapped (but it’s not certain how), Claire is facing single parenthood, and Kate is on the run from the law (but possibly innocent). If the core of our main character’s lives are consistent in both timelines, then it is likely that Jack has a son in the original one as well (he just might not know about him yet!). Under this assumption, the number 23 could now be either Jack, Christian, or David. I’m going to travel down this road a little bit more and possibly include it in the next column now that you’ve got me thinking : )

  • tall_ted

    Maybe I’ve misinterpreted what you’re saying, but from the post it sounds like you are framing the show as good vs. evil, casting Jacob as good and Nemesis Dude as evil.

    I don’t know, man…I find the concept that Jacob and his Others are any less manipulative, deceitful, or murderous than Nemesis Dude extremely difficult to accept. The Others, under the leadership of Jacob, have done some totally fucked up shit (exterminating all the Dharma Initiative folks, for example) that makes trusting them at all seem like not a great idea.

    If this is just a game (which is looking as likely as anything right now), then why should one side be good and one be bad? In season one when Locke was explaining backgammon to Walt on the beach he didn’t pose it as a moral struggle — just a contest between two sides. The sides we have here are both pretty reprehensible. I’d hate to have to name one as being better.

    Of course, if we have to choose sides, I want to be on Titus Welliver’s team. Dude is a bona fide bad-ass.

    • Cryzthormagnusian

      Wait…good vs. evil….nemesis dude….Is this sounding like a copy of The Stand with the Walkin Dude and it’s portrayal of good vs. evil? Just instead of being marooned on an island they were marooned on a planet wiped out by plague.

      • soup

        word!

      • Nick

        There were some theories on the Fuselage a while back where some dude posted the consistencies between the two (http://forum.thefuselage.com/showthread.php?t=479), with someone even claiming that the writers acknowledged their inspiration from the book. Its pretty interesting to see how many things are in common here, but hopefully the end for LOST plays out way better.

    • Nick

      Reading back I can definitely see how it could be interpreted as good vs. evil, but it is not my intention to depict it that way. The two opposing sides that I was trying to define are pro-humanity (Jacob) and anti-humanity (Nemesis dude). Both are of the island though, so although having seemingly different angles they have that one unifying consistency. I’ve been trying to work out ideas on how Nemesis might actually prove to be the “better dude” of the two based on the fact that he’s only killed people who really deserved it where as Jacob and his followers (i.e. Benjamin Linus) have done all sorts of detestable things (i.e. gassing the Dharma like you said). We have seen a lot of deception from Nemesis dude so far, but if it was all to the end that he kill Jacob (who kinda sucks anyway), wouldn’t it all be worth it? The lines here are pretty hazy and I wouldn’t be surprised if the writers flipped the script on us soon.

  • Hammer_Smashed_Hurtt

    Eastbound And Down.

    • two snakes

      good thing you’re not working for amazon, otherwise their recommendation algorithm would suck harder than will ferrels mom.

  • Watty

    Late to the bandwagon…but:

    What the fuck is this doing on MS?

    • cyrollan

      He’s in a metal band. Stay with us!

  • sacha dunable

    Really enjoying this blog. Glad to know there is someone obsessing over this show as much as me.

    I’m with the whole “game” theory between Jacob and Nemesis.

    • Nick

      Thanks dude!

  • Meletus

    You do a GREAT job here with theorizing. I had almost completely forgotten about the episode Par Avion and what Mikhail had said, that certain people were not on the list because they were flawed. What I find fascinating is that there seems to be a growing split among the Oceanic-815ers, between the good and evil. Sayid and Claire both suffer from a “sickness” that brings them to a dark side. Sawyer, as we saw in The Substitute (fantastic episode, btw) also joins Flocke, presumably the “evil” one. Meanwhile, we have a list of “good people” from the flight. It seems plausible that we might be heading toward a civil strife between the Oceanic 815-ers as they take sides in Jacob’s and the Nemesis’s game.

    I’d find it interesting to see how Flocke attempts to use Hurley as a pawn. I can easily see how all others on the list have a dark side, but Hurley has always had an innocent attitude. Anyway, I’m eager to find out how things play out for him; perhaps he’s been underrated as a character all this time.

    Any theories on the blonde kid we saw in The Substitute episode? The boy was blond, so I’m thinking it could be Jacob. (Originally I thought it was Zach, one of the kids on Oceanic 815, but it’s another actor). Perhaps it’s also significant that Richard couldn’t see the boy while Sawyer could. Maybe it’s connected to how Sawyer was one of those whom Jacob had once directly encountered and physically touched? Who knows . . .

    • Nick

      Thanks a lot Meletus! Yeah I’m feeling the idea of a conflict amongst our main Oceanic 815-ers as well! In my response to tall_ted up above it was touched upon that this might not be a clear cut case of good vs. evil though, so along with seeing how our characters are “used,” I’m antsy to find out more about what each side represents!

      As for the blonde kid, I really don’t have any ideas! His appearance was so brief and vague that I feel like we’re going to need to see more of him before we can start making guesses. New elements/characters are being introduced weekly which makes hypothesizing frustrating because the variables keep changing!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Bowen/502176360 Steve Bowen

    one of the things i notice was that the all the names on the rock have a number next to them. the only people that haven’t been crossed out have one of the numbers, 4 8 15 16 23 42 next to them. so in my theory, jacob only touched these 6 people to be candidates, and the rest of the survivors on the plane are insignificant in jacobs plan to find a new protector of the island.