BEING IN A BAND IS FOR LOSERS [SCIENTIFIC PROOF]

Thursday, March 3rd, 2011 at 12:40pm by

Fig A: Coolness over time (musician vs non-musicians)

If you ask the average person on the street, they all know that musicians are broke, dysfunctional, smug, self-centered, arrogant, unhygenic, elisist, socially inept losers with no future. As much as I believe in the wisdom of crowds, I wondered: what does SCIENCE have to say about this topic? Clearly guys in bands are losers, but what can we learn by digging deeper? Exactly what is the sad life-trajectory of the archetypal band loser??

To answer this question, I did some rigorous statistical analysis of two randomly-selected groups of guys: one cohort who devoted their lives to music, the other who were normal, healthy, everyday people whose association with music began and ended with whatever was on the radio. Figure A illustrates the highlights, but after the break are the SHOCKING RESULTS of our study!

Points of interest:

A: “Weird little kid” phase (age 5)

Most people in bands were fucked up little kids who nobody liked — the weird, dirty kid who smelled bad and had to sit by himself on the school bus because everybody called him “Weinerface” and told the other kids that he ate his own boogers. This alienation is the root of the anger and insecurity that causes the sad, desperate hunger for the attention of strangers that is shared by all musicians.

B: High school talent show (age 16)

This is the first moment in which the coolness of a band guy exceeds that of the regular guy — the band guy plays a poorly-done cover of a popular song at his high school’s talent show and realizes that holding a guitar or microphone is all it takes to get the attention of females with daddy issues and low self-esteem. Normal guy scratches his head, because he remembers when band guy was the dirty weird kid who ate his own boogers, and doesn’t understand why girls are suddenly paying attention to him. Although he doesn’t get it, he just shrugs it off and goes back to studying for the AP Chemistry exam.

C: First big tour (age 23)

At no point is the contrast between band guys and regular guys more apparent than this moment. The regular guy is some poor schmuck working his first job out of college, earning peanuts and living an entirely embarrassing life. Meanwhile, the band guy is on top of the world on his first headlining tour, partying hard, banging groupies, and generally having the time of his life. Females are definitely checking for the band guy, because he is “doing something amazing with his life,” whereas normal guy is just another jerk with a moderately-crappy desk job who just wants to go home, have a Bud Light, and beat off/play some Xbox before he falls asleep in front of the TV.

D: Peers begin coupling (age 26)

Just a few short years later, the tables begin to turn: band guy is still slogging it out on the road, only the novelty is quickly wearing off. At 23 he was just happy to be playing in front of a decent crowd, and if he only made $50 a show after expenses, so be it — he was “in it for the music.” Normal guy, on the other hand, has been at his job for a couple years, has gotten a couple promotions, and is starting to have a pretty decent life. He’s feeling pretty financially comfortable, and decides that it’s time to get married. Band guy thinks “marriage is cheesy” and “a meaningless social construct,” but secretly feels like he might be falling behind the curve. He finds it hard to attract women his age, because they are looking for a stable guy who wants to have a family, not a mental midget that still thinks it’s cool to live like a college student and play music for socially-awkward teenagers.

E: Nesting phase (age 32)

By this point, the game is essentially over. Band guy is still doing the musician thing, only he’s getting older and the crowds aren’t. He’s literally twice as old as the people who listen to his music, he’ll go to prison if he touches any of their groupies, and his non-musician friends stopped going to his shows because they’d feel guilty leaving their kids home alone on a weeknight. They all think he’s a good guy, but when his name comes up they just shake their heads in sympathy and wonder when he’s growing to grow up. Band guy’s coolness has completely evaporated, and at this point he is pretty much on par with all the other broke, dirty guys who beg college students for their spare change. His normal friends are too bummed out to laugh at him; he’s more of an object of pity than ridicule.

F: “That guy who’s still in a band” (age 40)

By now I am sure you can see where this tragic tale is headed. Normal guy’s kids are in junior high school, he’s a senior manager at his job, and life is pretty cool — nothing too exciting, but he’s fine with that. Band guy, meanwhile, works a couple odd jobs (bartender/booking agent at the local C-level venue), and mostly hangs out with people who are 10-20 years younger than he is because nobody his age has any desire to set foot in the shitholes that he works/hangs out at.

G: Sad old alcoholic/my parents (age 50)

I probably don’t even need to continue, because at this point the path is pretty much crystal clear. Unless they wise up and bail on the whole music thing, band guys are doomed to be the “local character” who’s always at the bar, saying dumb shit about the good old days to anybody unfortunate enough to come within shouting distance of him. If that sounds good to you, then keep playing in your little band, I am sure you are going to make it big any day now. But remember: the choice is yours! It’s never too late to become normal guy.

References:

Sergeant D. “Why do girls eff dudes in bands?“. Metal Sucks, 2010. New York.

Sergeant D. “Can u be an alpha male if u listen to metal??“. Metal Sucks, 2011. New York.

-Sergeant D.

Sergeant D.’s Stuff You Will Hate is for WINNERS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Reagan/520958920 Mike Reagan

    Not as good as Burzum

  • Kuranes

    I went from Band Guy to Normal Guy at age 31. It’s too bad that I’m now stuck at Al Bundy level of coolness for the rest of my life, but I guess that’s better than the alternative.

  • http://dystrophy.bandcamp.com devin townsends lost skullet

    finally an answer to the age old question of “how old is too old to be in a band”

    made me laugh

  • Peter Griffin

    It’s always a plus when people support their claims with scientific analysis. Good job D!

  • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

    That’s funny, because I know a guy in his 50′s that plays with bands, has a wife, has raised children and lives pretty normally.

    Troll harder, dudeman.

    • Howie

      WHAAAAAAA? You mean that not literally very guy to ever play music into his 50s failed at life? Could it be that Sgt D new that what he was saying wasn’t 100% true??? I don’;t think he does need to try harder, because he trolled your stupid ass pretty well.

      • http://reaper-x.deviantart.com/ Reaper-X

        Cool story, bro.

        • Mouthful of Precious Stones

          u mad brah?

      • Schnoor

        Problem?

    • Isaac

      Y u mad tho?

      • Different Drummer

        Look, this was a GREAT piece! Comedic writing at its best. Of course there are exceptions to the Sergeant’s thesis, but the generalities ring pretty damn true.

        I have high reguard for metal fans (despite the comments sections on this site). Let’s appreciate some good writing.

  • Aether Jake

    Awesome article. I’ve got 14 years left to make it big

  • aj lucas

    wow im still young and can save my self, thanks seargant d your fixed my life!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Colin-Samuel-Morris-Mumma/570145870 Colin Samuel Morris Mumma

      dido. thank god im in college and have time to fix it.

  • Matt S

    Then can you explain why normal guy inevitably ends up wishing he was band guy at age 45 when he’s trying to sing along to AC/DC on the radio?

    • byrd36

      He’s just fantasizing about being young successful band guy because he’s already too old to ever be young successful band guy.

      • Utmu

        So the answer is to become young successful band guy and convert to normal guy before the tables turn.

        • Curt

          easy to say when your approaching 30 and still “really think the band can make it with the right gigs/radio play/drummer”. That and, as the piece pointed out, you realize how easy it is to fuck barely legals with self esteem issues.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Austin-Pearl-Nutter/1418565949 Austin Pearl Nutter

    I played in a band with a guy who transitioned from “band guy” to “coupling” right after I left so I’ve seen that happen. I think guys can continue playing in a band if the band itself is good and people still care about it, but if they try and take themselves too seriously and treat it as more than something that’s just for fun then it is pretty sad. I wonder if the guys in Whitechapel will still wear gauges in ten years while being routinely upstaged by the next big thing that is opening for them……….

  • Anthony

    “wonder when he’s growing to grow up”

    Lawl at typos

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Austin-Pearl-Nutter/1418565949 Austin Pearl Nutter

      Still don’t know what an elisist is. He writes these drunk apparently so he gets a pass.

  • msv81

    This makes me feel better about myself. I thought about starting a band when I was in high school but all of my “normal guy” activities took priority and I never got around to it. During college, while I worked my ass off in school, I often thought of how much easier my life would have been had I started a successful band – no deadlines, no pulling all nighters to finish up the 15 page paper I had put off time and again, no tests, no grades; just life on the road, banging hot groupies, chilling with my bandmates.

    And here I am in my last 9 months as a “20-something”. Been at my job for the last 5 years, been promoted three times, and am bringing in over $60k a year. Got engaged last spring and am planning my wedding, looking for potential properties to buy, and deciding on whether or not I’d like to go back to school to get a masters or even PhD. The couple of friends who play in a local band who never became anything more than local are uninsured, wearing the same “br00tal” clothing they’ve had since middle or high school, and working odd (read: shit) jobs in a feeble attempt to make ends meet.

    Man, if my parents were ever right about anything, it was convincing me starting a band was a bad idea. Can’t believe I actually listened to them, as it was perhaps one of three things I ever took their advice on during my rebellious high school years.

    • Matt S

      Yeah, you’re still a try-hard douche though.

      • msv81

        Right. Because now you know all of 6 things about me, so you’re clearly in a position to cast judgment. Whatever, it’s all good. By the time I’m 35 I’ll be making 6 figures while you remain br00tal and trVe, playing basement shows to the 7 people who actually like your music.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Gross/1569840018 Jeff Gross

      This, ladies, is how you troll.

      • karlhungus

        Lol, Lahey

    • RhythmFlusher

      lol at this. I’m in 4 bands playing 7 instruments and I work full-time as an assistant professor at Princeton while finishing my 2nd PhD program there. my stock portfolio is currently worth over 800 grand and your mom loves me. i bang models every night and run marathons every day, then I design “br00tal” clothing for douches like your friends. just turned 21 sup

      • Melee

        Hahahahahahaha

        • Blargh

          seconded…BAHAHAHA

          • http://semicolonyum.blog.com Wei-Wei

            Thirded… owned.

            But I guess that both people have a point. Starting a band and being successful isn’t for EVERYone.

          • Aether Jake

            Last sentence is the clencher.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Fabian-Grn/100001053737775 Fabian Grün

    Sergeant D. became my favorite contributor at this blog over the last weeks.

  • cougar party

    Sarg, you have done it again. If their was an award for trolling, it would be named after you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Devon-Czekaj/550092101 Devon Czekaj

    That chart is skewed because homeless guys are always cool.

  • Driven9

    How do the stats work out for bass players (or i guess anybody not on vocals/guitar)?

    I have a feeling its an even smaller window of ‘coolness’…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Goldwater/33612828 Daniel Goldwater

      Look at the chart upside-down.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Vikernes-Linnander/1839189864 Andrew Vikernes Linnander

        This guy 1+

  • James M.

    “Although he doesn’t get it, he just shrugs it off and goes back to studying for the AP Chemistry exam.”

    This is me. No exaggeration.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ben-Alexander/1092891172 Ben Alexander

      I read that line and thought, “Holy shit, is D following me around?”

  • Gecko

    Science is awesome!! And in this case, fairly accurate. I was a band guy in high school, and now in my late 20s I’m more normal guy/guy in a band. It’s a good balance, but I think I made the right call going the normal guy route and keeping band guy as a side project. Wow, that was very zen of me. Thank you pot!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cleber-Monteiro/100000392246968 Cleber Monteiro

    To quote a famous song,sad but true. lol

  • Sergeant D

    If anyone wants the SPSS files I used for this just hit me up!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Gross/1569840018 Jeff Gross

      Statistical package for social sciences FTW!!

      GIVE EM TO ME

      • cougar party

        beta.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Gross/1569840018 Jeff Gross

          U mad?

          • cougar party

            No, bro. Just mirin your knowledge.

  • reznik

    i want my life to be like this

  • Vakarm

    Best part of the article: his references. Only a real troll can back his own trolling with his past trollings.

  • Benito

    or I mean, hey, you could end up writing blog articles for some obscure metal news website…..

    the future looks good.

  • Beowulf

    No offense but I really don’t agree with any of this. Look at bands like Iron Maiden. They’re like 150 and nobody cares how old they are. Haha. We all still love em. And there are way more examples.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Austin-Pearl-Nutter/1418565949 Austin Pearl Nutter

      Because all bands are like Iron Maiden and can pack stadiums anywhere in the world.

      • Matias Demeke

        >Implying Iron Maiden is cool

        • Axl Rose

          Die.

  • Adam

    Hahahaha, amazing article! As a musician, I wrestle with the choice of being a band guy or normal guy every day! Also my favorite part was the references at the end.

  • Sandy Duncan’s Glass Eye

    Doesn’t there have to be another line to represent super high functioning guys w/ PhD’s like Dan Yemin (Lifetime), Greg Graffin (Bad Religion) and Milo Auckerman (Descendents)? The whole old school Touch & Go roster seemed to go to law school. Lyle Pressler as well.

    Maybe you can do it if yr punk, but metal is too dumb.

    • Sergeant D

      There is video of Greg graffin fapping on webcam to some 18 year old

      I rest my case

    • http://stuffyouwillhate.com Sergeant D

      Don’t forget that Joe Escalante from The Vandals is a lawyer

    • fosh

      Also, Lane Pederson of Dillinger Four is a psychologist. Old punx have their shit together.

  • canea

    Whew, good thing I quit the punk band when I graduated from college.

    • Smoke it up, Pig

      Yep, good thing for everyone.

  • bucketochicken

    “As much as I believe in the wisdom of crowds…”

    Brilliant.

    • http://stuffyouwillhate.com Sergeant D

      thanks brah, you get it

  • SuccesfulOneWhoLikesMetal

    Seems to me that you are either bitter because of a bad experience or jealous…maybe both? In my opinion you are the loser because you obviously have nothing better to do with your time but bash people who do what they love to do.

    • junkyardgod

      Sergeant D for the win! You obviously get it, brah.

  • nick

    I am sort of doing some weird backwards version of this:
    I am about to turn 30. I have been playing in bands since I was 15, but I have always held down a job. I am currently employed at the same place I have been for the past 6 years. I don’t make a ton of money, but I have benefits and a 401K and such. I just bought a house last year, and have a very small amount saved up. I also have no debt, and hardly any bills, as my roommates pretty much take care of my mortgage.

    BUT, in about 6 weeks I am leaving my job to hit the road with a band. I will be getting paid (though not much). In between tours I won’t be getting paid. But maybe the band will get lucky and “make it?” I suppose if things don’t work out, I could always go back to working a full-time job, somewhere. Where do I fit in on the graph?

    • Nick

      So you own a house and you quit your job to make minimal money touring? So if your roommates move out how you gonna pay for your house? Now we wonder why there are so many houses in forclosure. I mean I would think having a mortgage would mean you should keep your job and do the music thing on the side. Maybe you didn’t have to quit your jb and you are just using your vacation time? I own a house on my own and I would never take that risk. Let me know when the bank closes on your house so I can snag it up for half the price you paid lol.

      • nick

        I haven’t quit yet, but I will be quiting.
        If my roommates move out, then I can just get other roommates.
        The job I currently have, I hate. I have hated it since day one. But, it was a paycheck, and then I got comfortable/lazy and never got out there and looked for anything else. Then 6 years passes. So, for me to leave this job isn’t really a very hard decision. I am pretty fearful of not being able to make money in between tours, but I think I can figure something out. In theory, if the band does well, we should be able to make more money, as time goes on. Technically, I could live just fine with the amount I would get paid on tour. The biggest problem is tour only lasts about 4 -5 months every year. So, I will have to find something to make me some cash in my down time. Maybe I could give music lessons or do something music related. Then I could still live the life of a “musician” and hopefully not chart too low on this graph. If I foreclose on the house, I’ll come back to this board and let you guys know!

        • Erik

          How are you getting paid on the road. Are you serious, or are you exaggerating? I’ve know a lot of musicians on the road who have albums released by labels. They make $150 per day (as a band) 1 free meal and a free case of beer.

          The $150 doesn’t even cover the cost of a van pulling a trailer. Despite what people say about fans buying merch at shows, they’re lucky to sell 5-10 shirts a show. That’s the reality I know. At the end of a month long tour, they had a great time, but lose money.

          I go to plenty of shows and hang out at the merch table and talk to bands. You know how many people actually buy merch at these shows? Almost no one. A big headliner that’s been around for 20+ years sells merch. A newer band on a small label. Lucky to sell anything for performing an opening slot.

          So, how are you making any money?

          • nick

            I don’t know. The band is paying me. They are hiring me. I’m not gonna give the details on who or how much. I’m not exactly sure how they are funding it, but we came up with a number that everyone agreed on, and that’s that. It’s possible for a band to make more than $150 at a show, even at a smaller level. And labels aren’t the end all/be all of music and making money.

          • Clint

            “Make shit up” much?

          • nick

            Response to Clint: Why would I make up a story, not say who the band is, not mention how much I am getting paid and then leave it all under an anonymous name. Granted, it’s under “nick” but that could be anyone. For what reason? There’s no glory in that. It’s not like a bunch of you guys are gonna be like “Oh man, this guy is awesome.” There is no sense in lying or talking myself up if my identity is hidden. On top of that, why is it so hard for you guys to believe that musicians can actually make money on the road? Is it that far-fetched? Did it ever occur to you that maybe the majority of musicians touring can’t make any money because they have no business sense and just make terrible decisions? Or maybe they jump the gun too soon and just go for broke, not thinking about the consequences?

            Bands don’t have to go on tour and go broke. They don’t have to settle for $150/show and play in front of 7 people. If they can’t get a guarantee for at least $250 or so, maybe they shouldn’t tour just yet. Maybe they should spend some time promoting and marketing themselves. Try to sell some merch and raise up funds. Make a kick ass album. Music is risky, but you can minimalize your risk and you can start thinking with a little sense.

            Just because you want to be a musician doesn’t mean you have to be reckless. Particularly in metal, it’s so easy and cheap. Good PR in metal is like $500/month. Good PR in Pop/Rock is at least $1500/month. Getting on metal radio is like $1000 or so for a 12 week campaign. Pop/Rock is ridiculously expensive. If you make a good metal album, and it’s at the very least original enough to distinguish you from every other shit band out there, you will catch the attention of someone. With the internet, a good product, and drive to do the bulk of the work yourself, you can do a lot without a label. Save yourself the money and do it yourself. Labels take like 85% of your record sales, and if you are getting caught up in a 360 deal, you are loosing 30% of your show money and probably 30% of your merch.

            It’s not rocket science. It’s number crunching. You just have to have a good band to back it all up.

          • Clint

            I just wish you weren’t such a liar. Someone might read this, and think you were telling the truth, or you knew what you were talking about. Also, what’s “metal radio”? Some more shit you just made up? Get some help, wack job.

          • nick

            Okay, you win. I was lying from the very beginning. I’m glad you are smart enough to tell that nothing I said could possibly true. In all seriousness, it is too bad that a band can’t make more than $150 playing a show. It’s too bad there is no middle ground for bands. Either you only make $150/show if you are lucky or you are making thousands if you are huge. And yea, metal radio? Totally doesn’t exist. Imagine if there were radio stations that only played metal? That would be insane. Or like if there were radio shows that exclusively played metal? I’m actually kinda surprised that no one is doing that. Maybe the Satellite stations should pick up on this idea. Could be somewhat profitable. Or maybe it wouldn’t be profitable cause there is no money to be made in music.

          • Clint

            Wiiiinnning!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jaymz-Hina/100000866625703 Jaymz Hina

    its clear there should be a third set of people here, and thats metal bloggers. How much there getting, when there cool…ect ect

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Pinson/1402489026 Chris Pinson

      a plague of theres

  • REDSKY

    I like this analysis, but to each their own. With my band, we all have day jobs and a normal life (wife, kids, mortgage/rent, etc.) because we figured out early on that you can make better more quality records with day job money than you ever could with “tour money.” We even put on a better live show with more lights and cool shit than I see from most mid-level “touring bands”. We don’t tour…we take road trips with the kids. Infact, we’re planning a week long road trip with our family’s hitting up places that have actually requested to see us. Hang with the kids and see cool shit…play a rock show at night. Get laid by the wife. That’s about the extent of touring we do. Unless we’re offered job money for touring, it’s weekend warrior/summer vacation gigging. Plus, we’re going to spend the money anyway so might as well put it into something we love. Again, to each their own.

    • Dubs

      We can all tell you’re really Pig Destroyer.

  • El Peras

    Sargentazo D.!!!! Congrats, you did it again,awesome post amiguete, however, you mentioned to fail the Uber-Exception who is Punk/Professor Greg Graffin! The older he gets the punkier and more “proffesor-ish” he gets at the SAME TIME!

    As for my worthless thoughts, it is O.K to keep on playing as long as you know how good you are and what you want to get from the music biz.

  • ACoffinShip

    For some reason the fact that you listed citations cracked me the fuck up. Although you really need to make more usage of the term “SCIENCE FACT.” It would really go a long ways in convincing me.

  • http://www.nylithia.com Dental Damnation

    Touring is a two-faced bitch, a great time and necessary to further your band, but also a money grubbing whore that sucks all your profits from the road into vehicle maintenance, gas money, shitty fast food, and maybe a motel for the night (if you’re realllly ballin’)

    Lets not forget, unforeseen circumstances like tire explosions, engine explosions, hitting wildlife, jailbond money (a result of that wild night in Saskatoon), hospital bills, towing bills, gear malfunctions, bong water spill in the merch bin, etc, etc.

    On the plus side, at least it’s a lot more interesting life than that of said, Al Bundy normal guy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-MXickman/502613553 Brandon MXickman

    I should point out the irony that you’re writing for a website dedicated to metal, which consists of bands, which consists of band members.
    Although, I love the article.

  • Fuck

    Too bad this is all the ramblings of a person who was never good with an instrument. One is never too old to be in a band. You can have a “normal” life and still play in a band with your friends. And fuck. B.B. King is god damn 84 years old and still plays, and lives a great life, I’m sure. There’s no such thing as “too old to do it” when it comes to something you love.

    tl;dr Op sucks dicks and hates his musicless life.

    • Isaac

      Trolled hard.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Pinson/1402489026 Chris Pinson

      u mad

      • Aaron

        yet another characteristic of the band guy, a fragile ego

        • jeff

          OMIGOD THAT GUYS HAS AFUNNY FACE

  • Thorne

    U jelly?

  • kmfcm

    But the regular guy is living Al Bundy’s life
    (Meaning, he’s married to someone he hates and hasn’t had any promotions because the boss just hires his son instead. . . . . so really, whether you’re in a band or not, you lose.

    The winner was born into money)

    • http://stuffyouwillhate.com Sergeant D

      “so really, whether you’re in a band or not, you lose. The winner was born into money”

      this

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Pinson/1402489026 Chris Pinson

      Katey Sagal is hot, I wanna be Al Bundy

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicodemus-Gonzalez/100000496989391 Nicodemus Gonzalez

    I wish I read this before I decided to
    drop out of school to be a band guy.
    >:(

  • Mike Arose

    damn didn’t know someone from 4chan writes on metalsucks. You learn something new everyday i suppose

  • Tudor

    Another terribly unfunny post by Sarge D, for all the lowest common denominators on Metalsucks to lap up.

  • Spanky

    As always, Sergeant D is poignant and entertaining (in a trolling sort of way) at the same time. Up until my mid 20s, all I wanted to do was to hit the road and attempt to make a living in music. However, once I got a bit older, the fact that I wasn’t going to make money playing music (especially metal) hit me like a ton of bricks. I’m now 32, married, and have a very well paying career outside of music. However, I will never stop playing in bands. I’m very happy being in a non-touring band, playing local shows, and having a “normal” (for lack of better term) life. Having a steady career not only enables me to buy quality equipment, but, as someone pointed out earlier, to invest money into recording quality releases. I love metal and will play it until the day I am no longer physically able to do so…it’s just that I no longer have the interest in doing it for a living.

    In the interest of full disclosure, I used to play in one of Sergeant D’s favorite late-90s wigger slam bands and would have probably beaten the shit out of him had I read this post back then. How times change…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angel-Vivaldi/612583428 Angel Vivaldi

    He speaks the undeniable truth.

    However, if it weren’t for the musician dedicating his life & sacrificing his future well-being, (in some sort of way), the normal guy with the six figure salary wouldn’t be able to enjoy the music that gets him through his stressful workdays, the nagging cunt bitch of a wife and the needy children. \m/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Drew-Zalucky/9021682 Drew Zalucky

    I’m surprised there are people getting so angry at Sarge for these posts. It seems like everyone feels the need to point out exceptions everywhere like “but what about so and so” or “what if you have a career and do a band on the side”- I’m very sure Sarge knows of these exceptions and just takes them as a given…besides- the exceptions aren’t funny as hell hahah- if his articles really make you angry, then you might need to do some soul-searching…or maybe you can buy yourself a sense of humor…with some self-confidence to go with that…

    Btw, love how Sarge referenced himself here hahah…all in proper MLA format!

  • Dubs

    Joining the military > everyone else.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Drew-Zalucky/9021682 Drew Zalucky

      Best of luck to you

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Milica-Peric/100000475534907 Milica Peric

    I laughted at this article but that doesnt mean that is completely true,take example Iron Maiden, a singer Bruce Dickinson is asinger,pilot,history teacher,fencer,he works on BBC,and a lot more,alsno he has a wife and 3 kids,and other band members are also very smart,have a family, and they are very normal people,but on the other side you have new bands that are usualy left with the GnR way ,they are drinking,doing drugs and never care for anything,i dont know about the others but because that,these new metal bands suck,and thats why we need old school metal from 80s and 70s,they are way better and have very good music.Thats just my opinion.

  • etoth67

    Funny! But now do one for the normal guys not in a band who’s only interests are watching sports all day, drinking too much beer and looking at porn while the wife is asleep.

    You pain too broad a brush. Many people lead normal lives and play in a band because they love it.

    You lead a pathetic life where you think you need to give up what you love in order to be what you think an “adult” means. When in fact you can have both.

    • Curt

      I agree. Although I think the author of the article meant to paint a black and white picture. Also, I think the term “band guy” should be taken as a guy who pursues playing live music as his profession or atleast as a top priority. I must agree that although what constitutes an adult is subjective, its certainly childlike and silly to be closer to 30 than 20 and still headbanging and taking yourself seriously while doing it. At 40 its downright pathetic unless your on a reunion tour with the band you were a part of that “made it” 20 years ago. Good example even if it isnt metal is any of the 90′s grunge bands. Can you imagine Krist Novoselic or Kurt Cobain still trying to get Nirvana off the ground nowadays? pretty sad state of affairs that would be, which is saying alot considering the ultimate demise of the latter.

  • Spiv

    Fuck all that nonsense about being too old to rock, or shamed to attempt so in the young man’s game…. Although you make valid, realistic points – and I am “that guy” at 43… I have to say I’m better at it than I ever was, and totally not alone – while ALSO living the “other side” cool “rock guy who gave it up because he should” lifestyle with home, shit job, family and extreme bombastic will to live a fucking great life.

    The bottom line is – I fucking love rock and roll music, I love playing it, I love writing it, recording it, and don’t give a fuck what category I fit into. I’m sooooo much better at it than when I was in my 20′s – in all aspects – I’ve toured tons, made dozens of records nobody cares about, lived with minutes of “local stardom”, played in several “genres”, sold my soul to the cover scene, yet still make rock records…AND, have shared the stage with REALLY “old dudes” tearing it up at “C-rate” clubs in their 50′s…

    I will admit- 200% more entertaining than a hipster show at a club full of 20-something hotties – 80% of the time on the cell phone during the show, sipping vodka redbull – DIE.

    So – y’all can heed the words of the GOD that created this TRUE SCENARIO to live by with regards to knowing when to STOP playing music as you get older… or you can just keep doing your own thing, off the radar.

    In the words of the MC5: “kick out the jams, muthafucka”

    As long as I can walk and talk, I’ll deliver the goods better than any of the kiddies, with grey hair down to my ass like J. Mascis…….

    Rock on fellow losers

  • levitator

    He’s not talking about “doing both” he’s talking about the guy that’s 40 that thinks he’s still “gonna make it” and has no real job, no wife, no home that isn’t rented, no friends his own age….you people disagreeing are dumb. That’s not the kind of guy he’s talking about. If you have a real job, a home, friends your own age, responsibilities, and play in a band as a hobby – you’re the “normal guy”. Get it? stupid fucks.

  • Halo

    I think band guy is a pretty cool guy. eh bangs groupies and doesn’t afraid of anything

  • http://kaidensevenphoto.com kaidensevenphoto.com

    love the flow chart!
    funny post
    :]

  • Gary Lachance

    But never forget the immmortal words of Hunter S. Thompson:

    Security … what does this word mean in relation to life as we know it today? For the most part, it means safety and freedom from worry. It is said to be the end that all men strive for; but is security a utopian goal or is it another word for rut?

    Let us visualize the secure man; and by this term, I mean a man who has settled for financial and personal security for his goal in life. In general, he is a man who has pushed ambition and initiative aside and settled down, so to speak, in a boring, but safe and comfortable rut for the rest of his life. His future is but an extension of his present, and he accepts it as such with a complacent shrug of his shoulders. His ideas and ideals are those of society in general and he is accepted as a respectable, but average and prosaic man. But is he a man? has he any self-respect or pride in himself? How could he, when he has risked nothing and gained nothing? What does he think when he sees his youthful dreams of adventure, accomplishment, travel and romance buried under the cloak of conformity? How does he feel when he realizes that he has barely tasted the meal of life; when he sees the prison he has made for himself in pursuit of the almighty dollar? If he thinks this is all well and good, fine, but think of the tragedy of a man who has sacrificed his freedom on the altar of security, and wishes he could turn back the hands of time. A man is to be pitied who lacked the courage to accept the challenge of freedom and depart from the cushion of security and see life as it is instead of living it second-hand. Life has by-passed this man and he has watched from a secure place, afraid to seek anything better What has he done except to sit and wait for the tomorrow which never comes?

    Turn back the pages of history and see the men who have shaped the destiny of the world. Security was never theirs, but they lived rather than existed. Where would the world be if all men had sought security and not taken risks or gambled with their lives on the chance that, if they won, life would be different and richer? It is from the bystanders (who are in the vast majority) that we receive the propaganda that life is not worth living, that life is drudgery, that the ambitions of youth must he laid aside for a life which is but a painful wait for death. These are the ones who squeeze what excitement they can from life out of the imaginations and experiences of others through books and movies. These are the insignificant and forgotten men who preach conformity because it is all they know. These are the men who dream at night of what could have been, but who wake at dawn to take their places at the now-familiar rut and to merely exist through another day. For them, the romance of life is long dead and they are forced to go through the years on a treadmill, cursing their existence, yet afraid to die because of the unknown which faces them after death. They lacked the only true courage: the kind which enables men to face the unknown regardless of the consequences.

    As an afterthought, it seems hardly proper to write of life without once mentioning happiness; so we shall let the reader answer this question for himself: who is the happier man, he who has braved the storm of life and lived or he who has stayed securely on shore and merely existed?

    • regnarg ymmit

      you sir got trolled

    • Brendan McGregor

      Loved the HTB Earth Tour vids, dude.

  • Iseeyourpoint

    Someone tell Tom Araya he better quit now or he’ll never marry his super hot wife.

  • James

    If you measure success by how much money you make… that is truly sad! If you are a real musician you will continue to play no matter how old you get, it’s like breathing… you can’t stop… until your DEAD.

  • Some Random Dude

    I think homeless people are cool.

    • Some Random Dude

      I wish I could delete peoples comments.
      Good work mods.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Filipe-Marques-Freitas/1151971518 Filipe Marques Freitas

    I think that if you are in peace with yourself and doing what you love you will always have good people around you, no matter what your job is.

    I mean, isn’t it better being crazy and happy than being miresable and “Al Bundy” like?

  • beefrelief

    …..or you can stop being a metal douche, actually learn to play other styles of music where you can make money instead of spending 8 hours a day playing mindless sweeps and technical excerises but can’t play over a simple blues or II-V-I change. I love metal but you can easily make a better than passable living doing nothing except gigging and teaching if you develop yourself as a player, learn as much about music as you can, learn other styles, and network yourself with other pro players in the local music scene.

  • Housewrecker

    This is my first time here…because this graph was so genius, hilarious, and 98% percent true (now here is where some genius points out that Slayer is old or Bad Religion is smart). But reading the comments and seeing how defensive people get about it (hey I’m in a band and my wife still loves me) or self-congratulatory (I gave up music at age 15 to start putting money in my 401k) makes me hope that this dude starts publishing somewhere that it can be read by people who are at least close to homeless- guy-level cool.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alexandre-Perrault/545955672 Alexandre Perrault

    How did I miss this the first time around? This post is both brilliant and completely accurate. A+++++++++++++ would buy again.

  • http://mickyshomidie micky shomidie

    while this may be statiscally correct, anyone who really tries to make a profession of this already knows the odds are against them, that being said,when reality sets in that you won’t make it, playing an instrument just for the love of music with a passion is the one thing a regular guy only wishes he can do. so dream on regular guy, i can always get a job in my world.

  • chris

    having been in bands that tour and such (still am) i have some views on this. first things first. i have worked part time for a big company for 7 years. yeah i don’t make a lot of money but i make enough to pay my rent, buy cool new guitars, and even add to a 401k. still while pursuing my passion. the majority of my “normal guy” friends my age that are more settled down with “security” being married and have kids are bored to death! most can’t stand their wives or the mundane routines. they hate how they have to bow down to their bosses. and live vicariously through me a lot.most not all, but definitely most. i think balance is key. maybe that i actually did have some pretty big successes already in my mid 20′s with music (i’m 29 now) maybe i’m satisfied now to do the occasional opening for a big touring band or play great local shows. ps – i dont play metal.

  • Drew

    That is why you overdose on heroin before your cool goes down.

  • John Keyser

    Wow. The problem is, musicians love being on stage. You get sick of the band stuff after a couple of years, quit. Awhile latter, you miss the fun, playing, and such and join another band only to repeat the cycle down the road.
    Oh oh, I just joined a band! And I’ve been doing this for 40 years!
    On the bright side I’m also back in college seeking a degree in computer science and
    I’m going to be 60 years old.
    But you know what?
    I’m gonna rock anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • jack

    There are things a suit will never understand.

  • Jory Evans

    Pretty funny.

    The comments. however, merely made light of how big of boners some metal fans are.

  • U lose

    The article describes the trajectory of a typical talentless musician, compared to a moderately successful suit. You might as well write an article comparing the lives of Mick Jagger and your local blue collar loser, let’s say a car-mechanic-cum-alcoholic.

    Even a talentless musician (or even a roadie) has a lot more fun than the average suit. If you have talent, like me, I can assure you that the life of a musician is full of all the good things in life in abundance, including shitloads of slutty women, drugs, and money in your younger years, and the possibility to have a family later on. So don’t buy it, it is sour grapes … probably written by a talentless ex-musician :)

  • stian

    I thought blogging was one of the sadest things in life?
    The richest bands whit happy homes are 30-50 and so on ?
    Most band players are just people who likes to play with friends.
    And it gives alot of partys, friends, money and pussy : D

  • Jason Lala

    its funny how your saying this and you have things that are related rock bands. you even have pictures of people in a band maybe you wanted to create a band and no one wanted to be in it with you so your taking your anger on saying rock bands suck

  • http://www.facebook.com/adcarranza Alain Dave Carranza

    LOL.

  • http://twitter.com/existential_tom Tom Cole

    Hilarious post. As a committed pessimist I dig the tone. I can see the truth in it. ‘Cept the groupies, man…;-)

  • Booze

    bump!

  • Northerngate

    I dont get why  Sergeant D would write this. Its discouraging to people who would want to attempt music. Imagine if every band kid in his teens decided to just become a normal guy as was suggested in this article. We wouldn’t have what we listen to today. Although, this trajectory is probably that of talentless “musicians” who follow the trends, what about those musicians with talent, who love music and want to make it their life? People with real talent, real love and real commitment should be encouraged to go for it. Not discouraged.